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20dmaster
11-18-2013, 01:45 PM
So I've been thinking of lr ing my pre update 19 pally/rogue 18/2 evasion dps build into a 17/3 pally/rogue dex based dps evasion survivor build using the new dagger in the back rogue enhancement which uses dex for damage with light weapons. This what I have so far. Feel free to tear it apart. Thanks.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
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Thebornagain Avenger
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Female
(17 Paladin \ 3 Rogue)
Hit Points: 290
Spell Points: 215
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 21
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 8 8
Dexterity 18 26
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 10 10
Wisdom 10 10
Charisma 16 18

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 8 12
Bluff 3 5
Concentration 3 4.5
Diplomacy 3 4
Disable Device 4 6
Haggle 3 4
Heal 2 5.5
Hide 4 10
Intimidate 3 19
Jump 3 4
Listen 0 2
Move Silently 4 8
Open Lock 8 14
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 0
Search 4 8
Spellcraft 0 0
Spot 1 3
Swim -1 -1
Tumble 5 9
Use Magic Device 7 18.5

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by Vulkoor
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Attack Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Attack Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Passion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Passion (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Passion (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Holy Retribution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Holy Retribution (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Holy Retribution (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Sealed Life (Rank 1)

Darkrok
11-18-2013, 02:57 PM
Depends on what weapons you plan on using but Weapon Finesse isn't needed if you stick to daggers/kukris/quarterstaves (with a bit of investment in thief/acrobat).

The enhancements...not sure I'd go that deeply into Drow.

The feats...I'd find a way to free up enough build points to pick up Power Attack. Precision is meh as a stance with only 3 rogue levels and decent but not crazy crit profile and you really want something to boost damage. You have a free feat slot in your build so that's not an issue - just have to meet the 13 str requirement.

unbongwah
11-18-2013, 03:44 PM
First off, with the changes to Divine Might, there's not much point in going DEX-based on a paladin (or battlecleric/FvS); you're just needlessly gimping your DPS. Second, I don't like any melee build which doesn't have Power Atk; that req's base STR 13. Third, if you're trying to think of a rog / pally build that's a little offkilter, consider STR-based rog 5 / pal 15 using kukris or daggers: pick up Knife Spec from Assassin for the crit bonuses; while pal 15 provides two lvl 4 spell slots (Zeal and CSW or DW).

unbongwah
11-19-2013, 10:07 AM
First draft of what I was thinking of:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
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Level 28 Lawful Good Drow Female
(15 Paladin \ 5 Rogue \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 361
Spell Points: 260
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 24
Dexterity 16 17
Constitution 12 14
Intelligence 12 12
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 14 16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 7 15
Bluff 2 11
Concentration 3 23
Diplomacy 2 11
Disable Device 5 24
Haggle 2 11
Heal 1 30
Hide 3 11
Intimidate 2 11
Jump 6 18
Listen -1 9
Move Silently 3 11
Open Lock 7 15
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 9
Search 5 26
Spellcraft 1 9
Spot 3 13
Swim 3 15
Tumble 4 12
Use Magic Device 6 34

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+3)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Execute (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife Specialization (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 3)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)


TWF w/daggers, 7d6 sneak atks, Divine Might, 20% heal amp; there's still 16 APs left, which can go towards, say, SD for defensive stance or Acrobat for Haste Boost & threat reduction.

Here's a partial "epic starter" gear set of items which can be solo-farmed:

Armor: Woodsman Leathers, eDuelist Leathers, or eUtility Vest
Helm: PDK helm
Goggles: Woodsman Lenses or drow smoke goggles
Gloves: PDK gauntlets
Boots: Woodsman Boots
Belt: ???
Bracers: ???
Cloak: Eveningstar wolf cloak
Necklace: Symbol of Shining Sun
Ring 1: Signet of Shining Sun
Ring 2: ???
Weapons: ML:20 Eveningstar challenge dagger, eSpy Dagger, Sacrificial Dagger