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MagicBlade
11-13-2013, 12:08 PM
I'm working on an Eldritch Kensai... have already tried out 1 build, with 15 AP in Palemaster, for Vampire + 10% Healing, +10 PRR, +30 HP... however, I found that even with some of my old PM (was previously full Wiz PM) gear, I still wasn't getting much healing done. I decided that I'd switch the AP from Palemaster, and put them into Racial and Kensai (Depending on the weapon focus) I've come up with a Two Weapon Fighting, using Rapiers/Short Swords... 18 Drow Racial, 22 Kensai, 40 Eldritch (AP Set)

Also have come up with a Two Handed Fighting style, using Greatswords/Greataxes... 8 Drow Racial, 32 Kensai, 40 Eldritch (AP Set)

The idea of this particular build is 12 Fighter Levels for Power Surge of Kensai, giving a +8 Temp Str (60 seconds), as well as an additional +7 Bonus Feats for the combat abilities. Primarily, this character is a melee fighter, with more of a focus in Eldritch rather than Kensai. Using Wizard Lv 1-4 Spell Buffs (Blur, Displacement, Heroism, Haste.. etc) in addition to the 2 Spellswords of Acid and Shock. Ideally, the character buffs up (14 minute Extended) and then acts as a normal Fighter, with a bonus of 2 extra attacks. 1 +1[W] Cleave, and 1 +2[W] Spinning, with 5% Double Strike, Perm (Toggle) Tensers Transformation... etc.

The Barb 1 is partially because I couldn't splash Monk/Paladin (True Neutral) and didn't think of splashing anything else. Also, Barb grants 10% Faster Movement, and a 1 Rage/day (shrine) while this 1 Rage isn't much, in addition to Haste, Haste Boost, Power Attack, and Tenser's Transformation... it all stacks up pretty well (I think). It's only 1 use of a Rage, but vs a boss, it works out pretty well.

I'm not entirely sure which of these builds would give more DPS, TWF 80% hit with off-hand, in addition to doublestrike... and I believe Off-hand also applies the Spellsword buff, all of that while hastened, I'm sure will stack up pretty fast with the cleaves. THF, slower, but the hits are higher, and better crits depending on if I go Sword or Axe, as well as Glancing Blows. In my opinion, I think that the TWF would be wicked against a boss, and moderate against all else. While the THF would be great against the trash mobs, due to Glancing + 4 cleaves and high damage.. but not sure if it could handle that well against a boss (it can, but idk how well...)

Will post the THF build in a 2nd post soon.




Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 True Neutral Drow Female
(12 Fighter \ 1 Barbarian \ 7 Wizard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 424
Spell Points: 472
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 10
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 25
Dexterity 16 18
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 12 16
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 10 12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 5 23
Bluff 0 9
Concentration 2 11
Diplomacy 0 9
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 0 20
Heal -1 8
Hide 3 12
Intimidate 0 9
Jump 7 33
Listen -1 10
Move Silently 3 12
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 11
Search 1 13
Spellcraft 1 11
Spot -1 10
Swim 7 25
Tumble n/a 17
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge


Level 5 (Wizard)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 11 (Wizard)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Critical


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Power Surge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Spellsword: Shock (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Martial Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Item Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Item Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Item Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Strength (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Spellsword: Acid (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Tenser's Transformation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Doublestrike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Doublestrike (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Doublestrike (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Tempest (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Tempest (Rank 3)








Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 True Neutral Drow Female
(12 Fighter \ 1 Barbarian \ 7 Wizard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 454
Spell Points: 488
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 9
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 27
Dexterity 12 14
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 16 20
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 10 12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 4 23
Bluff 0 9
Concentration 2 11
Diplomacy 0 9
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 2 22
Heal -1 8
Hide 2 11
Intimidate 0 9
Jump 7 38.5
Listen -1 10
Move Silently 2 11
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 2 12
Search 2 14
Spellcraft 2 12
Spot -1 10
Swim 7 33
Tumble n/a 18
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 5 (Wizard)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Wizard)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Power Surge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Spellsword: Shock (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Martial Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Item Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Item Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Item Defense (Rank 3)

Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Arcane Barrier (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Strength (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Spellsword: Acid (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Elemental Resistance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Tenser's Transformation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Doublestrike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Doublestrike (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Doublestrike (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Tempest (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Tempest (Rank 3)




My apologies, there was some mistake with adding in the 2nd build, I have now fixed this. The above Builds are now accurate.

unbongwah
11-13-2013, 01:08 PM
It would help if you explained the purpose of your build in the first place; but I've been underwhelmed by what I've seen of EK. Much of it seems either redundant with Kensei or too weaksauce to be much good. In particular, I can't imagine perma-Tensers is more useful than Keen Edge to a melee build.

MagicBlade
11-13-2013, 01:36 PM
It would help if you explained the purpose of your build in the first place; but I've been underwhelmed by what I've seen of EK. Much of it seems either redundant with Kensei or too weaksauce to be much good. In particular, I can't imagine perma-Tensers is more useful than Keen Edge to a melee build.

I just now filled in the rest of it, and explained the purpose of the build. My apologies on not doing so sooner, had to go afk mid-post so just hit send before I could fill in.

I'll be adding a THF variant beneath this post.

EDIT: The T5 Eldritch is also for the Eldritch Tempest, and 3% Doublestrike bonus, in addition to the 2% Martial, and 3% Passive (1 per core) plus any Doublestrike Items...

Golddragon87
11-13-2013, 06:01 PM
I know level drain has been nerfed somewhat but I got an idea for you. Go back to using vampire while dual wielding Nightmare, the fallen moon's that have Ruby of Endless night slotted. With Fighter haste boost and a near permanent haste on a dualwielder you would be proccing a lot of negative levels. 2 on a vorpal hit and whatever Nightmare gives now on a crit.

MagicBlade
11-15-2013, 12:17 AM
What would be the better option between these 2?

The differences are:

Two Weapon Fighting - +4 to hit and damage

Two Handed Fighting - +1 to confirm crit, +1 to crit damage, +2 Str


Also, on off-hand attacks, Spellsword: Shock/Acid do work..

In 23 hours, I'll be LRing into 1 of these builds, and want to know which would be the better options.


Golddragon: The downfalls of the Vampire + low healing capabilities outweighs the negative level possibilities I believe. My heals were only doing 25-30, with 150+ Negative spell power, which could've been higher only if I invest Skill Points into Heal (.5 per lvl all around) or if I invested in mage gear, this build is mostly for a fighter that can also provide their own buffs, with additional cleaves, and added effects. Not to mention 5% Doublestrike.

MagicBlade
11-15-2013, 07:03 PM
Another option to consider.. if anyone is bothering to even read this.

If I don't go TWF, I have 8 spare points I can spend.

At first I thought of going with added Kensai, but +2 Str and added confirm crit isn't overly the best of the options available.

I could put 8 points in Barbarian Frenzied Berserker, to gain Die Hard (auto feat), 3x Rage, 3x Increased Die Hard, so that I gain temp hp at 0- HP, and +5/10/15 unconscious HP, for a total of -25 before I die. Also, 1 additional point to spend elsewhere I believe.

I could put 8 points to Archmage, and gain 2 SLA, and then 6 points towards added SP, used for buffs, Eldritch Strike and Eldrtich Tempest

A 3rd and final option is, I could go with Stalwart Defender. Toughness to gain additional HP, Stalwart Armor to get +3 AC +3 Dex bonus.. and have 1 point left over. Item Defense for 100% negate item damage (i think) or somewhere else.

All 3 of the above are for my Two Handed Fighting build..

For Two Weapon Fighting, I would go with Rapier or Short Swords, Strength based build, and go with putting the 8 AP in Xendrik Training, for an additional +4 to hit and damage with the rapiers/swords, on top of the +4 kensai weapon spec.