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firemedium_jt
11-10-2013, 11:02 AM
Endless Faith or Endless turning or Unearthy Reactions (+6 reflex) or Radiance power or Healing power?

Thinking

Endless Faith always
Unearthy Reactions for EE or all?
Cocoon
Endless turning (for zerg EH)
Radiance Power
Healing Power

in that order of importance?

Include how you run if different Destinies and your favorite Destiny?

Silverleafeon
11-10-2013, 11:43 AM
Are you in Angel or Unyielding?

Are you melee or caster offensively?

Are you pure or monk/pally splash?

Do you intend to heal much?


Favorites for caster cleric

First slot Tsunami (tier 3) OR Energy Burst (tier 4) whatever energy you like best

Second slot
If in Angel 2) Endless Faith (tier 1)
If in Unyielding 2) Renewal ~ with empowered healing and enlarge applied (tier 3)

Third Slot Cocoon ~ with empowered healing and optional enlarge metamagics applied (tier 1)


Tsunami, Renewal, Cocoon is fairly rare combo to see, it require max fate points and uses a fair amount of sp.
However it is effective for an Unyielding divine.

You would probably prefer Endless Faith to Tsunami.
But the walk across spheres is truly worth it for Cocoon.
Cheap heals mean more sp to spend elsewhere.
For the same reason, Renewal is worth twisting in for Unyielding.

A cleric does not get as much out of Angel as a Favored Soul does,
however a Morninglord Divine Disciple might consider it.
Once Divine Wrath is charged up, keeping it going every 15 second is easier with a large amount of mobs present.

firemedium_jt
11-10-2013, 11:54 AM
Yeah I forgot Cocoon in there. amended.

Cocoon is the one that does not need line of sight right? and nice range?

It is a Melee Cleric mainly, but more of a Generalist. The plan is to stay in FOTW for melee role in EH with Grimm Precision or Lay Waste? Momentum Swing and Endless Faith for mana.

For a Healing role zerg EH with Exalted Angel with Sense Weakness, Momentum swing and Endless turning.

For a EE or raid healing then in Exalted Angel for spell points with Cocoon, Unearthly Reactions, and Endless Turning or Healing Power.

The plan is to mostly go FOTW melee unless optimal healing is needed. He has some Generalist casting spell power if needed if short on casters. Endless faith is needed cause his mana is low.








Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
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The Epic Generalist Perfbuild
Level 28 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 17 Cleric \ 1 Wizard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 409
Spell Points: 1126
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 6
Will: 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 18 25
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 16 22
Charisma 8 8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 23

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 0 17
Bluff -1 7
Concentration 6 36
Diplomacy -1 10
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 7
Heal 3 17
Hide -1 7
Intimidate -1 7
Jump 4 15
Listen 3 14
Move Silently -1 7
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 7
Search -1 7
Spellcraft -1 7
Spot 3 14
Swim 5 16
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Divine Emissary of Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Points (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Points (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Points (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Resilience of Battle (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sanctuary (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Weakness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Ameliorating Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)

Vellrad
11-10-2013, 12:47 PM
Warpriest of Moradin
Level 28 Neutral Good Dwarf Male
(2 Fighter \ 17 Cleric \ 1 Wizard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 455
Spell Points: 1020
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 5
Will: 12
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 29
Dexterity 8 11
Constitution 16 21
Intelligence 12 16
Wisdom 8 11
Charisma 16 20
Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 13
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 13
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 13
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 13

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 2 (Cleric)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Level 5 (Cleric)
Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Level 7 (Cleric)
Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Level 10 (Cleric)
Level 11 (Cleric)
Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Level 13 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Level 14 (Cleric)
Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Level 17 (Cleric)
Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Level 19 (Cleric)
Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical
Level 22 (Epic)
Level 23 (Epic)
Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 25 (Epic)
Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Damage Reduction
Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Resilience of Battle (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sanctuary (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Weakness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Energy Absorption (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Ameliorating Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Power (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Vessel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Vessel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Vessel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Divine Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Divine Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Divine Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Unyielding Sovereignty (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)

Sentinel (http://ddodestiny.info/#d/unyielding_sentinel/s/b2,c2,e,j,m,n3,o,r,s,w,x)
Twists: sense weakness, IPA, tunnel or healing power
Fury (http://ddodestiny.info/#d/fury_of_the_wild/s/a3,b3,h3,l3,q3,r3,s2,w,bb)
Twists: IPA, healing power, damage boost
LD (http://ddodestiny.info/#d/legendary_dreadnought/s/c3,d,f3,h,i3,k,l2,u,x,z,cc)
Twists: Sense weakness, tunnel vision, healing power

firemedium_jt
11-10-2013, 02:44 PM
Sense weakness, Improved power attack, and, depending on quest, either healing power or tunnel vision.

That's what I carry : )


Ok, but what is your Destiny?

Makkuroi
11-10-2013, 03:42 PM
For my clonk: brace for impact + legendary tactics + evocation specialist,

Im planning to replace evo specialist with sense weakness (serious dps increase on a clonk) once I can upgrade the slot to tier 4 (need 3 more fate points). Occasionally slotting energy burst (fire) seems interesting, too.

Im currently running FoTW to unlock primal epic destiny feats (perfect TWF and mass frog), but might want to go back to GMoF as primary destiny some time.

disclaimer: Im mostly running EH, often solo.

edit: with aura and ameliorating strike, i get a lot of free healing, so I think cocoon is overkill.

edit2: build: 18/2 clonk, wis based, full twf, grave wrappings with stunning fist (thus legendary tactics), radiant aura + ameliorating strike, no spellpen (except +7 from PLs) and no heighten but decent evo dc from high wis, +3 evo from feats +3 from magister evo twist +4 (+5 at 26) from wheelon necklace.

firemedium_jt
11-10-2013, 03:53 PM
If you all could edit and give a brief summary of your builds. What kinda caster clerics and what kind of melee clerics.



+1
Ameliorating strike is very helpful for mass healing/supplemental healing. I use it alot. It is just the melees should let me get it in to top them off before they kill the last monster, lol.

SirValentine
11-11-2013, 05:08 AM
As others have said, it depends on build, and on quest. I'm fond of caster divines. I'd pretty much always be in Exalted Angel.

A typical set-up for me for EEs would be:

Evocation Specialist
Precise Evocation
Acute Instincts



Though I might go defensive and do this for, say, FoT:

Energy Sheath
Cocoon
Draconic Perception



Or to plough through easy content even faster (Hard CitW, e.g.)

Energy Burst
Wild Shots
Boulder Toss



The wonderful thing about twists (and gear) is that you can easily change them all the time as needed. Unlike other parts of your build where you really do need to plan carefully and stick to the optimum.

firemedium_jt
11-11-2013, 10:22 AM
As others have said, it depends on build, and on quest. I'm fond of caster divines. I'd pretty much always be in Exalted Angel.

A typical set-up for me for EEs would be:

Evocation Specialist
Precise Evocation
Acute Instincts



Though I might go defensive and do this for, say, FoT:

Energy Sheath
Cocoon
Draconic Perception



Or to plough through easy content even faster (Hard CitW, e.g.)

Energy Burst
Wild Shots
Boulder Toss



The wonderful thing about twists (and gear) is that you can easily change them all the time as needed. Unlike other parts of your build where you really do need to plan carefully and stick to the optimum.

Energy sheath looks good.

What do u mean by energy burst?

Thx for the details based on build and content.

I think Unearthly might be better than perception.

Vellrad
11-11-2013, 10:42 AM
What do u mean by energy burst?



Draconic T4,

1d15+15 damage per level, (acid/fire/cold/elec), reflex save for half, DC20+int/cha+half level

axel15810
11-12-2013, 08:25 AM
I run a melee cleric.

I like the +30 spellpower from angel. If raiding, I'll swap to cocoon.

Other than that my 2 other commonly used twists are improved power attack and momentum swing, this is while in Fury of the Wild.