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Asmodeus451
10-26-2013, 12:42 AM
so i've decided to try my hand at a Bard for fun and flavor, but i dont want to build a total gimp, and i know almost nothing about building a Bard

i've done some digging around, and landed on:

Dex based Human 16/3/1 Bard/Rog/Ftr TWF using Short swords or Rapiers (cuz it sounds fun)


but beyond that, i've got no idea about Feats (tho i know Weapon finesse is a must, and likely Precision as well) or Stats (i'm looking @ 4 important ones i think: DEX, CON, INT, CHA)


could use some advice on enhancements too, tho they are easily resettable so i'm not so intimidated to experiment


MAJOR EDIT: after much deliberation, i've dropped the idea of going Dex based, and have gone with a 16/2/2 setup. see the build in post #7

cru121
10-26-2013, 03:17 AM
feats: 1 race, 7 heroic, 1 fighter

weapon finesse
twf x3
IC: piercing
extend
empower healing
quicken
power attack (needs 13 base strength) or precision

12-14 starting int for trap skills

I am not persuaded about dex based, given that warchanter gives an easy +4 stacking strength.

Asmodeus451
10-26-2013, 03:41 AM
those feats look good, but are impossible if i want to take my 1st lvl as Rogue (the only feat on that list a lvl 1 Rogue can take is TWF)

i also just realized after playing with the planner a bit that optimizing my Skills is going to be a PITA as well, so any advice in that area is also quite welcome

cru121
10-26-2013, 03:47 AM
here's my skill progression on a similar split..
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/348391-WC-II-THF-traps!?p=4153721&viewfull=1#post4153721

Asmodeus451
10-26-2013, 04:10 AM
here's my skill progression on a similar split..
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/348391-WC-II-THF-traps!?p=4153721&viewfull=1#post4153721

doesnt really help since i cant see the whole thing

cru121
10-26-2013, 05:18 AM
interesting. direct link to pic: http://s7.postimg.org/4be7xl1nv/skills.png

Asmodeus451
10-29-2013, 01:06 AM
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 True Neutral Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 16 Bard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 332
Spell Points: 591
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 16
Will: 10

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 25
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 12 14
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 12 14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 6 16
Bluff 1 10
Concentration 2 12
Diplomacy 1 10
Disable Device 5 33
Haggle 5 15
Heal 1 19
Hide 2 11
Intimidate 1 10
Jump 3 15
Listen -1 8
Move Silently 2 11
Open Lock 6 16
Perform n/a 33
Repair 1 10
Search 5 33
Spellcraft 3 30
Spot 3 13
Swim 3 15
Tumble 6 16
Use Magic Device 5 33

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Inspire Excellence


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Lasting Inspiration


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Ruin


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting





only the DEX tome is 100% necessary, without the int tome Spellcraft ends up a bit lower but thats it. all the rest is gravy


EDIT: due to Spellcraft literally not effecting a single Bard spell, its been dropped in favor of Concentration

whereispowderedsilve
10-30-2013, 10:13 PM
That looks good, I like all the feats you choose, pretty much what I would do. Skills look good as well(shame you can't get open lock higher).

Any ideas on your enhancements and/or spell list? Hope you have fun, bards are awesome! Cheers! :P! :)! :D!

katz
10-30-2013, 10:20 PM
let me think on it. i may come up with something interesting

katz
10-31-2013, 09:20 AM
if still considering dex based -


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)


dextrous bardic goodness
Level 28 True Neutral Human Male
(1 Fighter \ 3 Rogue \ 16 Bard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 347
Spell Points: 591
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 22
Will: 11


Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 10 12
Dexterity 18 28
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 12 14
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 12 14


Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 8 21
Bluff 5 14
Concentration 2 34
Diplomacy 1 10
Disable Device 5 33
Haggle 5 15
Heal -1 15
Hide 4 17
Intimidate 1 10
Jump 4 13
Listen -1 9
Move Silently 4 17
Open Lock 8 29
Perform n/a 33
Repair 1 10
Search 5 34
Spellcraft 1 10
Spot 3 17
Swim n/a n/a
Tumble 8 21
Use Magic Device 5 33

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting




Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse




Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell




Level 4 (Bard)




Level 5 (Bard)




Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Precision




Level 7 (Bard)




Level 8 (Rogue)




Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting




Level 10 (Bard)




Level 11 (Bard)




Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons




Level 13 (Bard)




Level 14 (Bard)




Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting




Level 16 (Bard)




Level 17 (Bard)




Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell




Level 19 (Bard)




Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Skill Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Heartseeker Poison (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spellsinger (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Sewers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Dead (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Makers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Enthrallment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spell Song Trance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sustaining Song (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Song of Arcane Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Advanced Magical Studies (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Advanced Magical Studies (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Advanced Magical Studies (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spell Song Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Skaldic Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Enchant Weapon (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)




Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Inspire Excellence




Level 22 (Epic)




Level 23 (Epic)




Level 24 (Epic)




Level 25 (Epic)




Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Lasting Inspiration




Level 27 (Epic)




Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting







could possibly run this as elf instead, and squeeze a little more damage out of Aerenal using rapiers. you want to use rapiers. sexy crit range. also.. Balizarde. *drooooool*

yes. i purposely left a feat slot or two open. fill in with whatever appeals to you, altho i'd not recommend ruin. i've heard it's really just a waste of SP.

i ignored spellcraft because it grants Acid, Cold, Electric, Fire, Force and Light, none of which bards really use. that being said, 12 int is enough in my experience to have a viable trapper, AND it frees up skill points to be used elsewhere. highlights: maxed perform/concentration/UMD/search/disable. enough OL for almost everything that needs to be unlocked, save a few exceptionally high DC doors and chests that are in the 90s that even some rogues need to push themselves for. a point into tumble (whee!), a few points into haggle (cuz hey, making a few more plat from your trash loot is always good), and a few points into heal (yes. heal. positive spell power. makes it worth more than spellcraft for sure) downside: low spot. will need to rely on previous knowledge, party members, or a reflex safe.




if you decide to not go with the flavor of dex-based and just go for the good ol standby 16/2/2 str based... the rest of what i said still stands. 12 int, no spellcraft... etc etc etc.

unbongwah
10-31-2013, 10:22 AM
I'm considering LRing my drow bard into this:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 True Neutral Drow Female
(1 Fighter \ 3 Rogue \ 16 Bard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 346
Spell Points: 591
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 22
Will: 10

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 12 14
Dexterity 18 29
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 12 14
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 12 14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spellsinger (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Sewers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Dead (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Makers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Enthrallment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spell Song Trance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sustaining Song (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Song of Arcane Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Song of Capering (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spell Song Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Skaldic Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Song of Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Iced Edges (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Northwind (Rank 1)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Inspire Excellence


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Lasting Inspiration


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Reflexes


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


It's an LR +0 (currently lvl 19), so I'm constrained in my class spread. In particular, if I were to level one now, I'd want the rog lvls a lot sooner so as to get Dagger in the Back earlier.

Asmodeus451
11-01-2013, 09:51 AM
if still considering dex based -


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)


dextrous bardic goodness
Level 28 True Neutral Human Male
(1 Fighter \ 3 Rogue \ 16 Bard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 347
Spell Points: 591
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 22
Will: 11


Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 10 12
Dexterity 18 28
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 12 14
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 12 14


Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 8 21
Bluff 5 14
Concentration 2 34
Diplomacy 1 10
Disable Device 5 33
Haggle 5 15
Heal -1 15
Hide 4 17
Intimidate 1 10
Jump 4 13
Listen -1 9
Move Silently 4 17
Open Lock 8 29
Perform n/a 33
Repair 1 10
Search 5 34
Spellcraft 1 10
Spot 3 17
Swim n/a n/a
Tumble 8 21
Use Magic Device 5 33

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting




Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse




Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell




Level 4 (Bard)




Level 5 (Bard)




Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Precision




Level 7 (Bard)




Level 8 (Rogue)




Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting




Level 10 (Bard)




Level 11 (Bard)




Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons




Level 13 (Bard)




Level 14 (Bard)




Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting




Level 16 (Bard)




Level 17 (Bard)




Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell




Level 19 (Bard)




Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Skill Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Heartseeker Poison (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spellsinger (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Sewers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Dead (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Makers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Haunting Melody (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sharp Note (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Enthrallment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spell Song Trance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sustaining Song (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Song of Arcane Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Advanced Magical Studies (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Advanced Magical Studies (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Advanced Magical Studies (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spell Song Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Skaldic Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Inspired Bravery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Enchant Weapon (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Action Boost: Sprint (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Obstinance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)




Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Inspire Excellence




Level 22 (Epic)




Level 23 (Epic)




Level 24 (Epic)




Level 25 (Epic)




Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Lasting Inspiration




Level 27 (Epic)




Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting







could possibly run this as elf instead, and squeeze a little more damage out of Aerenal using rapiers. you want to use rapiers. sexy crit range. also.. Balizarde. *drooooool*

yes. i purposely left a feat slot or two open. fill in with whatever appeals to you, altho i'd not recommend ruin. i've heard it's really just a waste of SP.

i ignored spellcraft because it grants Acid, Cold, Electric, Fire, Force and Light, none of which bards really use. that being said, 12 int is enough in my experience to have a viable trapper, AND it frees up skill points to be used elsewhere. highlights: maxed perform/concentration/UMD/search/disable. enough OL for almost everything that needs to be unlocked, save a few exceptionally high DC doors and chests that are in the 90s that even some rogues need to push themselves for. a point into tumble (whee!), a few points into haggle (cuz hey, making a few more plat from your trash loot is always good), and a few points into heal (yes. heal. positive spell power. makes it worth more than spellcraft for sure) downside: low spot. will need to rely on previous knowledge, party members, or a reflex safe.




if you decide to not go with the flavor of dex-based and just go for the good ol standby 16/2/2 str based... the rest of what i said still stands. 12 int, no spellcraft... etc etc etc.



this is almost identical to whati came up with whe i was still considering Dex based.

i changed my mind because some guildies conviced me i could get full TWF and still be STR based

Aunrael
12-18-2013, 08:16 PM
"i ignored spellcraft because it grants [FONT=sans-serif]Acid, Cold, Electric, Fire, Force and Light, none of which bards really use. "


You missed Sonic, which is clearly labeled in the tooltip haha XD

katz
12-18-2013, 10:27 PM
if it's listed in the tool tip, then it's not correct as per the release notes when that change was made. either the tooltip is wrong, or the release notes are (or possibly both. that is always a possibility, but i digress)

spellcraft grants fire, electric, cold, acid, force, and light spellpower. heal grants positive and negative spellpower. and PERFORM grants sonic spellpower. i think repair grants something also, but i forget what.


i'll doublecheck when i log in tomorrow. right now... bed!


edit: checked. and i was right.

http://i.imgur.com/4C8QQJe.jpg

Silken-Akira
12-19-2013, 08:34 AM
@ Katz. Looking at your signature and a screenshot I saw posted of you somewhere, I am really curious about how you build your pointless, the awesome bard.

katz
12-19-2013, 10:16 AM
funny. i literally just worked up my build this morning and posted it. XD


it's in here: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/431943-Katzklaw-s-house-of-LOLWUT

Emizand
01-12-2014, 02:32 PM
"i ignored spellcraft because it grants [FONT=sans-serif]Acid, Cold, Electric, Fire, Force and Light, none of which bards really use. "


You missed Sonic, which is clearly labeled in the tooltip haha XD

Sonic is affected by Perform not Spellcraft.

katz
01-12-2014, 06:11 PM
already settled that one ^_^