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axel15810
10-11-2013, 01:57 PM
Hey all, I really don’t know much about Bard but I really want to play one and am looking for a build. I want it to be melee based, not casting based. I really want to go TWF and play as a dwarf, although I’d go human if it’s going to gimp the character too much. I want him to be a support/melee character. On epic levels I think it would be neat to have the option to stay in fatesinger and maybe use something like epic envenomed blades when I care more about support but also have the option to switch to LD/FoTW when I want pure DPS. If I could serve as a decent healer that would be neat as well.

For enhancements I originally wanted to go warchanter but the tree looks pretty meh so I was thinking spellsinger may be better.

I really have no idea what to do as far as feats and splashes. Off the top of my head I was thinking atleast a fighter level or two for feats, proficiencies and haste boost. If someone could suggest a build or point me towards one I’d appreciate it, thanks!

unbongwah
10-11-2013, 02:55 PM
I've been toying with bard 16 / rgr 3 / ftr 1 for TWF+Manyshot bards. Rgr 3 gets you 3 feats (Bow STR, TWF, Rapid Shot), +10% offhand procs, and some low-tier goodies (e.g., Pos Spellpower from DWS, Conjure Arrows+imbues from AA); ftr 1 gets you an extra feat, cheap Haste Boost, and Extra Action Boost. You get 11 or 12 feats (7 heroic + 1 ftr + 3 epic + 1 if human); that's enough for Power Atk, PBS, ITWF, Manyshot, Imp Crit, GTWF, Cleave, GC, Inspire Excellence, and Overwhelming Crit, with 1 or 2 feats left over (e.g., Emp Heal, khopesh, Toughness). ED feats: PTWF and maybe Lasting Inspiration. Bard 15 / rgr 3 / ftr 2 would also work, if you'd rather have another feat than lvl 6 spells; bard 15 / rgr 3 / rog 2 if you really want Evasion + trap skills. Fatesinger for a support role; FotW for a DPS-focused role.

axel15810
10-11-2013, 03:08 PM
I've been toying with bard 16 / rgr 3 / ftr 1 for TWF+Manyshot bards. Rgr 3 gets you 3 feats (Bow STR, TWF, Rapid Shot), +10% offhand procs, and some low-tier goodies (e.g., Pos Spellpower from DWS, Conjure Arrows+imbues from AA); ftr 1 gets you an extra feat, cheap Haste Boost, and Extra Action Boost. You get 11 or 12 feats (7 heroic + 1 ftr + 3 epic + 1 if human); that's enough for Power Atk, PBS, ITWF, Manyshot, Imp Crit, GTWF, Cleave, GC, Inspire Excellence, and Overwhelming Crit, with 1 or 2 feats left over (e.g., Emp Heal, khopesh, Toughness). ED feats: PTWF and maybe Lasting Inspiration. Bard 15 / rgr 3 / ftr 2 would also work, if you'd rather have another feat than lvl 6 spells; bard 15 / rgr 3 / rog 2 if you really want Evasion + trap skills. Fatesinger for a support role; FotW for a DPS-focused role.

That's sound really really neat. I really like the idea of splashing ranger, I didn't even think about it.

unbongwah
10-11-2013, 03:26 PM
Here's a sample of what I had in mind:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 True Neutral Human Female
(1 Fighter \ 3 Ranger \ 16 Bard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 380
Spell Points: 525
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 16
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 27
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 16 18
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 8 10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Manyshot


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spellsinger (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Sewers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Dead (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Music of the Makers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Magical Studies (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand Heightening (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Flicker (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Flicker (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Flicker (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Inspired Flicker (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Inspired Flicker (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Inspired Flicker (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Enthrallment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spell Song Trance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Sustaining Song (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Song of Arcane Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Song of Capering (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spell Song Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Skaldic Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Song of Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Rough and Ready (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Iced Edges (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Northwind (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Morphic Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Conjure Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Shock Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Light Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Inspire Excellence


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Lasting Inspiration


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


TWF (specced for rapiers & short swords, easy to change to picks or whatever), Manyshot+Bow STR, pretty good healer (Quik+Emp Heal for CCW, MCMW, and Rejuv Cocoon). 90% offhand procs w/Tempest, +40 Pos Spellpower & +2d6 sneak atks from DWS, Conjure Arrows + imbue from AA; max Haste Boost from Kensei; T5 songs from Spellsinger; some perks from WC. Main problem is I run outta APs before I run outta things I want, which is the recurring problem with the new Enhancements. :rolleyes:

EDIT: skills I would max: Concentration, Heal, Perform, UMD. I staggered the rgr lvls in part so you can use them to max out Heal. Any leftover pts can go where you prefer.

axel15810
10-14-2013, 09:11 PM
I've been following your build, I'm on level 11 it's a lot of fun so far. I've never played a TWF, Manyshot or Bard before so it's a nice changeup from my main.

avepepix
10-23-2013, 11:27 AM
Why dont you try a bard/barbarian?
Right now im leveling a bard/barbarian raveger, so the power attak stacks, with rage
You'll need a lot in UMD so you can use wand and scroll, it will help u a lot.

DrakHar
10-26-2013, 08:23 AM
Why dont you try a bard/barbarian?
Right now im leveling a bard/barbarian raveger, so the power attak stacks, with rage
You'll need a lot in UMD so you can use wand and scroll, it will help u a lot.

Because barbarian sucks. :D

Naw, it's okay. I prefer fighter/ranger or fighter/rogue, though.
the old 16/2/2 still works well.
And 16/2/2 could be real interesting if they ever drop the stupidity of needing and LR +1 on PDK, so you can go rogue at level 1. WOuldn't be able to fit in OC at 21, but twf bard barely has the feats the waste on cleave and g cleave anyhow (They both suck for twf anyhow at high levels).