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Maelodic
09-30-2013, 11:21 AM
Hello

Really new to Rogues in general, and I do have a few questions before I roll one. Do note, I am a sneaky soloist- at the moment playing a pure DWS based ranged/melee Ranger with max sneak skills. I'm loving it- but I want more Rogue-like gameplay where I can kill people at my discretion, and don't have to wake up a whole room to do it. The questions I'm asking are really for other sneaky Rogues.

-If assassinate fails, do you stay in sneak? I never failed my assassinate on Lama and now it's down, so I cannot check.
-Along these lines, does the mob come after you or just take the damage like an idiot if you fail?

-Are there any other moves that allow you to attack while stealthed?

-How do you handle crowds if you get caught? I'm thinking imp. uncanny dodge+displace/blur would help, but I'd like to hear how you burst the crowds down.

-Are there any possibilities of any kind of a burst ranged option or a ranged option for bosses in parties when I can't really get close? I'm using manyshot+imp. precise shot/archer's focus at the moment because ranger, and obviously it is wonderful.

I think that's it.
Thank you guys in advance!

Hutoth
09-30-2013, 11:44 AM
Hello

Really new to Rogues in general, and I do have a few questions before I roll one. Do note, I am a sneaky soloist- at the moment playing a pure DWS based ranged/melee Ranger with max sneak skills. I'm loving it- but I want more Rogue-like gameplay where I can kill people at my discretion, and don't have to wake up a whole room to do it. The questions I'm asking are really for other sneaky Rogues.

-If assassinate fails, do you stay in sneak? YES
-Along these lines, does the mob come after you or just take the damage like an idiot if you fail? IT COMES AFTER YOU UNLESS YOU ARE VERY SNEAKY INDEED

-Are there any other moves that allow you to attack while stealthed? USE BLUFF TO PULL MOBS AWAY FROM GROUPS, THEN ASSASSINATE THEM. ALSO MOBS THAT ARE AGROED ON YOU CAN BE ASSASSINATED IF YOU BLUFF THEM.

-How do you handle crowds if you get caught? I'm thinking imp. uncanny dodge+displace/blur would help, but I'd like to hear how you burst the crowds down. IMP UNCANNY DODGE, DISPLACE, HASTE BOOST, DAMAGE BOOST, CLEAVE, GREAT CLEAVE, GS KHOPESHES/ EPIC WEAPONS, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION, BLUFF, DIPLO etc.

-Are there any possibilities of any kind of a burst ranged option or a ranged option for bosses in parties when I can't really get close? I'm using manyshot+imp. precise shot/archer's focus at the moment because ranger, and obviously it is wonderful. 6RGR + 13ROG + 1X would work.

I think that's it.
Thank you guys in advance!

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mna
09-30-2013, 12:37 PM
-Are there any possibilities of any kind of a burst ranged option or a ranged option for bosses in parties when I can't really get close? I'm using manyshot+imp. precise shot/archer's focus at the moment because ranger, and obviously it is wonderful.


Well, there's some in the Mechanic tree, with crossbows or thrown... int to damage, repeater proficiencies, and some straight '+' and a DOT option for great crossbow.
Also a couple of AOE CC special attacks.


Oh, and there's more avoidance, CC and AOE stuff in the Acrobat tree.


No idea how well any of those work in practice though. Well, except the bleed effect for great crossbows, the sound effect for that is kind of... icky...

mna
09-30-2013, 12:45 PM
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Your post is annoying to respond to.

Anyway, ...


6RGR + 13ROG + 1X would work.

Yes. With plenty of variations available. Gets something like -9 to Assassinate DCs though (compared to pure rogue), which may be too much. I have two toons of this general pattern going, and I don't plan to get much at all in the way of DC-based stuff with them.

Maelodic
09-30-2013, 04:06 PM
Yes. With plenty of variations available. Gets something like -9 to Assassinate DCs though (compared to pure rogue), which may be too much. I have two toons of this general pattern going, and I don't plan to get much at all in the way of DC-based stuff with them.

I wouldn't expect assassinate at this point to be an instakill- however Rogues have a lot of tools to take care of the masses when things get hairy. Assassinate would be nice, but I'm thinking a more "kill high value target and then laugh at the trash" may be better. I would be completely melee without a ranged option but Rogues tend to be really squishy outside of Uncanny Dodge, and I don't have permanent invis like Monks do.

Quivering Palm based NiS Assassian do really well, but he comes out out stealth and doesn't have a lot to follow up on it other than escape tools (diversion is really, really strong, as is the flash bomb.) Shadow fade is ridiculously helpful too, and starting level 12, you can keep it on continuously just from Water Stance passive regen+stealth passive regen.