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IlmethSoultaker
09-15-2013, 09:26 AM
Hello rogues,

I'm thinking about making a GS +++ for dealing with undead. This character is going to be a dex-based Drow pure rogue assassin using daggers. However, daggers won't help getting through most undead DR, so I'm curious what people would recommend for a weapon type for this item.

Kukri can take advantage of dex to damage/to hit and beats zombie slashing DR, as well as utilizing TWF, but may not be worth taking proficiency feat in case I TR into another class.
Quarterstaff does skeleton blunt DR, also has dex to damage/to hit, and if I TR this can be used with proficiency by all classes.
Light mace has to use strength to damage/to hit, but has proficiency by all (again, in case of TR), can make use of TWF, and beats skeleton DR.

I know this is mostly a preference thing, so I'm just looking for advice. Additionally, if two of these weapons could be made, what do you think would be best? 2 kukris? kukri/light mace? quarterstaff/kukri (both types of DR)? 2 maces?


Thanks :)

FuzzyDuck81
09-15-2013, 09:36 AM
I'd say you can't really go wrong with a quarterstaff, plus stick-twirling has the added advantage of looking cool

Phaeton_Seraph
09-15-2013, 09:51 PM
Well, you might also consider which weapon provides for the widest critical range for you current life and the next. Not sure why, but I suspect it might make things more interesting.

Bolo_Grubb
09-16-2013, 10:06 AM
In my previous Rogue life I was str based and used triple positive morning stars.

Now that I have TR'd into a Dex based halfling, I have decided to make triple positive kukris. So far they are working pretty good. I still have the morning stars and even though my str is only 22 or so at level 20 the morning stars do ok. I do like the idea of using a triple positive staff though

Chai
09-16-2013, 10:23 AM
Light mace uses dex if you have weapon finesse feat, and the dex to damage from the assassin core allows anything finesse-able to use dex for damage.

Quarterstaff is good for a few reasons. Only need to make one so it halves the cost, and its a blunt weapon.

Enoach
09-16-2013, 10:36 AM
One of the nice things about the 3x Positive Greensteel weapon against undead is the fact that most of its damage does not come from the initial physical damage, but from the other effects. Now that Disruption still applies damage to even undead that cannot be instantly "Killed" it is especially valuable.

As for weapon proficiency for martial weapons - you can turn to the "Master's Touch" standby to give yourself proficiency - Scrolls will only help a single handed weapon that you need to place in your Off hand to cast.

Now if you are still concerned with breaking DR I believe Blunt actually is the greater return of damage for Undead. Light Maces are good for the THF option.

QuantumFX
09-19-2013, 02:37 AM
Kukris for Zombies and Light mace/Quaterstaff for Skeletons/Liches. I’d also consider the Precision and Opportunist feats.

Arkantios
09-19-2013, 08:14 AM
Meh, if you're a rogue you should be able to scroll Tensers. Therefore, make a Triple Pos Maul. I use it just fine on my rogue, and it is technically the best weapon for undead damage-wise without all of the procs. Plus, it's fun lol.

IlmethSoultaker
09-20-2013, 02:21 PM
Meh, if you're a rogue you should be able to scroll Tensers. Therefore, make a Triple Pos Maul. I use it just fine on my rogue, and it is technically the best weapon for undead damage-wise without all of the procs. Plus, it's fun lol.

That's not a bad option either at least for higher levels. Only thing I'd be concerned about is scrolling Tensers at level 12 when GS weapons become available (think I'll have around 24 UMD at level 12 while wearing a charisma Ioun Stone. Don't really want to switch in a whole bunch of extra gear for a 1 min spell) . Well, and for future lives that don't have proficiency or high UMD.

karl_k0ch
09-23-2013, 02:24 AM
You're probably spending a few points in the Acrobat Tree anyway (Haste Boost, Subtlety), so you're already getting Dex-to-hit for Quarterstaves and the second Acrobat ability even offers Dex-to-Damage for one additional AP.

This is why, for a Dex-based Assassin, Triple Positive Quarterstaves are a great option against Skeletons and Liches.

willox2112
09-25-2013, 07:44 PM
I think staves are a great option. This is probably the only weapon that is available to all classes and will not make monks un-centered. You will lose some damage against zombies/mummies/etc. but the versatility I think is worth it.

sirgog
09-25-2013, 08:13 PM
Blunt is the most common DR on undead, and it is on a lot of important undead too.

While DR/slashing is a pain, it doesn't appear on more than a few really important mobs in the entire game, and it never gets as high as the numbers on DR/blunt (elite Abbot and elite lich Sorjek are both DR 50, not tested Truthful One but think his DR is much lower).

Pay serious attention to crit profiles -as a rogue you will be bypassing quite a bit of fortification, so do not neglect crits.

Thyriani
10-21-2013, 01:14 AM
Personally I'm fond of a scimitar, but (while the weapon damage might not be spectacular because it's piercing) a rapier could potentially be used by anyone, especially a drow. Nearly every class is proficient with rapier. The Rapier does also crit on an 18-20x2, so you will crit pretty often (I guess depending on the fort of the undead in question lol) Also, being an Assassin, if you have Weapon Finesse you can use your dex for damage with it (I think so, anyway) Since you can use your dex for damage, it helps to overcome a bit of that DR. However, the best undead killier isn't about weapon damage: Good, Good Burst, Good Blast with a Disruption proc. It even comes with a Raise Dead clicky!

Oh, something I wanted to add about Rapier-- everyone but Artificer, Druid, Monk, Cleric, Favored Soul, Sorcerer, and Wizard is proficient. However, Sorc and Wiz can easily take Master's Touch, Monk would have to splash fighter kensei if they wanted to be centered, making them automatically proficient, and a cleric/favored soul warpriest could consider taking fighter or paladin levels. As for Arti and Druid, they're both a bit more...circumstantial.