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KookieKobold
07-25-2013, 04:14 PM
As you have possibly already seen on Lamannia so far, we’re introducing what we call the Saga system.

Sagas are a way to get rewarded a bit extra for running a series of quests on various difficulty levels. When running these quests, you will receive a number of “points” towards your reward based on what difficulty you run quests on. The benefits earned are going to be Experience, Renown, or a Skill tome, based on the total “points value” of the quests you have run. The higher the points total, the better your reward would be. We’re very interested in hearing what you all think about the specific reward amounts.

That being said, we’ve built two Sagas for now (with the possibility of more for the future!) which both have a very specific theme to them. The NPCs to talk to about Sagas in-game are located in Eveningstar and are named Lady Azana Winter and Belvadere Huntsilver.

Here are the Sagas:

Menace of the Underdark
Impossible Demands
The Unquiet Graves
The Lost Thread
Battle for Eveningstar
Don't Drink the Water
In the Belly of the Beast
House of Rusted Blades
House of Broken Chains
House of Death Undone
The Portal Opens
Trial by Fury
The Deal and The Demon
Reclaiming the Rift

Honor of the Huntsilvers
completion requires epic difficulties
The Druid's Curse
Detour
Rest Stop
Stuck in the Swamp
A Stay at the Inn
End of the Road
Friends in Low Places
A Lesson in Deception
The Thrill of the Hunt
Army of Shadow
Through a Mirror Darkly
The Tracker’s Trap
The Giant’s Run
Waking the Beast
A Break in the Ice
What Goes Up


Feel free to use this thread to post about Sagas and to give us your feedback.

oradafu
07-25-2013, 04:44 PM
Blah! No Abbot or GH/Truthful One sagas?! I was expecting at least those two would be included in the initial release of the Sagas. I also was expecting a Quori saga since new Eberron content is being abandoned. Blah!

Atremus
07-25-2013, 08:11 PM
How about a Harbor Saga, Market Place Saga and a Saga for each house?

caissede12
07-26-2013, 06:47 AM
That being said, we’ve built two Sagas for now (with the possibility of more for the future!)

Well... not sure if I should feel sad/good about it. "possibility of more for the future" has in you might consider adding Saga for lower lvl content... whit low chance of it happening and if it does, will be in a couple of years?

If not, its kinda lame that the saga are for high lvl only (over lvl 24). When you announced it, it sounded like an other xp bonus (or items) to help us lvl (applicablee to all lvls) would also increase the chance people run all the content... well, if the reward is worth it. As of now, I doubt I will run it before a long time (probably after U20 and EDTR happen) and even than, Im not so sure.

But good work :)

PS:

How about a Harbor Saga, Market Place Saga and a Saga for each house?

This is a GREAT idea... ;)

SqueakofDoom
07-26-2013, 09:10 AM
Hello!

I just wanted to let you know that there is also a survey available this weekend (I'll collect them early on Monday morning) regarding the Sagas, and we would appreciate it if you would fill it out!

Thank you,
Squeak

EDIT: The Sagas survey has now wrapped up. Thank you!

Teh_Troll
07-26-2013, 09:16 AM
LOVE this idea. Absolutely LOVE it.

That said .. . MOAR!

Great idea, keep at it.

Leclaire1
07-26-2013, 02:41 PM
This is a nice idea, and like with the Monster Manual its a way to get more from playing large quest arcs. While I'm sure there are kinks to work out in the rewards system, it seems like a nice addition and gives incentive to run whole chains, esp. with Huntsilver saga (everyone will do menace anyway to flag for raid). That being said, with others here I really think you need to add this feature to Eberron content. I realize that doing two to start to perfect the concept is wise, but hopefully by update 20 we can see the following Eberron sagas in particular implemented:

1) The Gianthold Saga (Tempest's Spine, Heroic Gianthold, Reaver's Reach, Epic Gianthold)
2) The Shavarath Saga (Chronoscope, Vale of Twilight, VoD Raid, Devils of Shavarath)
3) The Quori Saga (Path of Inspiration, Dreaming Dark, possibly Restless Isles also)
4) The Attack on Stormreach Saga (Lordsmarch Chain, Attack on Stormreach pask)

There may be others as well, but these quests seem to be true sagas in the world already, and from a commercial perspective, it probably awards those who buy several packs or go VIP, which I would think Turbine would want. Just hoping we see more of this sort of thing coming.

soloist12
07-26-2013, 04:19 PM
Whether it works or not will completely depend on the reward.

Here's how it works from what I saw:

You get 1 point per casual/normal quest
2 per hard
3 per elite

You can use your vip status to skip one quest and count it as an elite completion (3 points)
You can do the same thing with 5 astral shards
You can do the above 2 bypasses only once per saga

For example, the True Elite completion for the underdark saga requires 39 points. Elite requires atleast 32, Hard 22 and normal just completions. So to aquire the hard reward, you could do 9 quests on hard and 4 on normal and still nail the reward - I like the flexibility since not all quests are similar difficulty.

I see the bypasses being used definitely (belly of the beast), and like the option.

For so many quests to be completed for your reward, it will have to be worth it, or people will skip this feature. What I would hate to see for the true elite completion is a mere +3 skill tome (I see going through an equivalent tp point amount in resources to pull it off, if not more).

PurpleFooz
07-26-2013, 04:55 PM
For so many quests to be completed for your reward, it will have to be worth it, or people will skip this feature. What I would hate to see for the true elite completion is a mere +3 skill tome (I see going through an equivalent tp point amount in resources to pull it off, if not more).

Yep. We are fishing for feedback on whether the current Saga reward settings are worth it.

Teh_Troll
07-26-2013, 05:10 PM
Yep. We are fishing for feedback on whether the current Saga reward settings are worth it.

You make my Chain-Reward EE loot for running stuff on EE and it'll be worth it! :)

soloist12
07-26-2013, 05:16 PM
Yep. We are fishing for feedback on whether the current Saga reward settings are worth it.

Is there a way to quickly have a completion thrown our way to see? That's a ton of quests to test through!

Most of us know the quests from the underdark saga and what they're about on the various difficulties, but who wants to test the reward and run 11-13 quests? :/

soloist12
07-26-2013, 05:45 PM
To get credit for a saga quest, you do not in fact have to turn the quest in to the original quest giver, which means a red window might even be possible.

HatsuharuZ
07-26-2013, 06:07 PM
Question: Does completing a Saga give you a single reward, a do you get to choose from a list of rewards, with the list of choices growing larger if you do all of the quests on higher difficulties?

soloist12
07-26-2013, 07:24 PM
Question: Does completing a Saga give you a single reward, a do you get to choose from a list of rewards, with the list of choices growing larger if you do all of the quests on higher difficulties?

Don't think the reward list grows, it's based on what you qualify for. There are point cutoffs for normal/hard/elite/true elite rewards, and if you fall in a certain range, that's your reward.

I wish I could see them, I don't really have time to run 13 quests :(

Drwaz99
07-26-2013, 07:39 PM
You make my Chain-Reward EE loot for running stuff on EE and it'll be worth it! :)

Now this is a real good idea...as long as it's single random item of loot from the chain. A whole list would be a bit much. (Well, if it was a one-time btcoa item I'd be ok with that)

Henky
07-26-2013, 07:55 PM
Sagas are a way to get rewarded a bit extra for running a series of quests on various difficulty levels. When running these quests, you will receive a number of “points” towards your reward based on what difficulty you run quests on. The benefits earned are going to be Experience, Renown, or a Skill tome, based on the total “points value” of the quests you have run. The higher the points total, the better your reward would be. We’re very interested in hearing what you all think about the specific reward amounts.
If its based on points... why not Heroics Commendations as rewards too? It would be nice if we can get heroic comms outside of the raids, and Sagas seems a nice placeholder.

One saga has 13 quests and the other 16. So maybe only on Elite and True Elite completions you can get heroic comms, i would like to see 1 on elite, and 2 on True Elite.

-Zephyr-
07-27-2013, 03:43 AM
Honor of the Huntsilvers
completion requires epic difficulties
The Druid's Curse
Detour
Rest Stop
Stuck in the Swamp
A Stay at the Inn
End of the Road
Friends in Low Places
A Lesson in Deception
The Thrill of the Hunt
Army of Shadow
Through a Mirror Darkly
The Tracker’s Trap
The Giant’s Run
Waking the Beast
A Break in the Ice
What Goes Up


Why ?
Seriously.

Why is "The druid's curse" in there ?
The other saga is 3 full packs (the ones included with MotU), which have a common storyline.
This saga is 3 full packs (2 of which are in shadowfell), which have a common storyline (fighting the Netherese) plus that one that is part of a 4th pack, doesn't have any storyline in common, has to be flagged for by running other quests not in the saga ; and more importantly, is one of the least quest run since MotU because it isn't fun, at all.

This saga would be much better without that quest. It would keep the idea that sagas have a common storyline.
If you want to give players an incentive to run those barely-ever-run quests (the whole druid's deep pack), please find something else than just randomly adding their capstone quest to a saga that has nothing to do with them.

-Zephyr-
07-27-2013, 04:49 AM
Another post to talk about a bug I just encountered :
When completing the "Honor of the Huntsilvers" saga, I decided to use the option to upgrade my reward (from normal to hard).
I had the rewards list open, no problems. But I did not take the reward, I closed it instead. Talking to the guy again, he had forgotten I had upgraded my reward and was offering me to upgrade (normal to hard) again.

After testing, it did take my shards each time I did that. I paid a total of about 100 AS before finally trying the non-upgrading option. When taking that one, he correctly gives me the reward list as soon as I talk to him and doesn't offer me the choice to upgrade my reward.

Oh, and comparing the two rewards list : upgrading isn't quite worth it.
Normal rewards :
64k XP
1 +3 skill tome
5k renown

Hard rewards :
65k XP
2 +3 skill tome
7.5k renown

And here I was hoping True Elite would give somewhere between 250k and 500k XP... Nope, probably like 70k.
Giving good XP on True Elite saga rewards would be a way to replace ED XP farm... Run the quests on EE with you main destiny (that's fun !) and then get the XP reward on an other destiny you're not interested in (that's rewarding !).


EDIT : Looking back at it, it seems the "upgrade your reward" button for this saga may be simply broken. Clicking it bestowed the reward from the wrong Saga, which have lower rewards I have been told. So the values above would be for normal "Honor of the Huntsilvers", but hard "Menace of the Underdark".
That would also explain why the guy wants me to spend Astral Shards every single time. He checks if I have completed the Saga on a higher diff in my journal, but nope, so offers me the option again. But when I click it, it bestows the wrong one again.
Checking the other Saga bestower, she does not give me my "Hard" rewards, and still waits for me to complete the quests. I'll try to complete see what she says (if she says anything or directly gives me Hard rewards as I've "upgraded" to get those already)

Here's a screenshot. (http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4450/ox62.jpg)
You can clearly see the "Honor of the Huntsilvers" quest giver bestowing me the "Epic Hard Menace of the Underdark reward".

I did bug report it, but I hadn't thought about it enough when I did, so my bug report may not be as clear as this post.

EDIT 2 : So, I just completed the MotU Saga, and was given the reward seen in the above screenshot without seeing my score. So I'm not 100% sure the bug explained above is that the "Pay to get better reward" option on the "Honor of the Huntsilvers" simply gives a reward for the wrong Saga. Probably a copy/paste error from the MotU Saga itself.

PurpleFooz
07-27-2013, 10:39 AM
Another post to talk about a bug I just encountered :
When completing the "Honor of the Huntsilvers" saga, I decided to use the option to upgrade my reward (from normal to hard).
I had the rewards list open, no problems. But I did not take the reward, I closed it instead. Talking to the guy again, he had forgotten I had upgraded my reward and was offering me to upgrade (normal to hard) again.

After testing, it did take my shards each time I did that. I paid a total of about 100 AS before finally trying the non-upgrading option. When taking that one, he correctly gives me the reward list as soon as I talk to him and doesn't offer me the choice to upgrade my reward.

Oh, and comparing the two rewards list : upgrading isn't quite worth it.
Normal rewards :
64k XP
1 +3 skill tome
5k renown

Hard rewards :
65k XP
2 +3 skill tome
7.5k renown

And here I was hoping True Elite would give somewhere between 250k and 500k XP... Nope, probably like 70k.
Giving good XP on True Elite saga rewards would be a way to replace ED XP farm... Run the quests on EE with you main destiny (that's fun !) and then get the XP reward on an other destiny you're not interested in (that's rewarding !).


EDIT : Looking back at it, it seems the "upgrade your reward" button for this saga may be simply broken. Clicking it bestowed the reward from the wrong Saga, which have lower rewards I have been told. So the values above would be for normal "Honor of the Huntsilvers", but hard "Menace of the Underdark".
That would also explain why the guy wants me to spend Astral Shards every single time. He checks if I have completed the Saga on a higher diff in my journal, but nope, so offers me the option again. But when I click it, it bestows the wrong one again.
Checking the other Saga bestower, she does not give me my "Hard" rewards, and still waits for me to complete the quests. I'll try to complete see what she says (if she says anything or directly gives me Hard rewards as I've "upgraded" to get those already)

Here's a screenshot. (http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4450/ox62.jpg)
You can clearly see the "Honor of the Huntsilvers" quest giver bestowing me the "Epic Hard Menace of the Underdark reward".

I did bug report it, but I hadn't thought about it enough when I did, so my bug report may not be as clear as this post.

EDIT 2 : So, I just completed the MotU Saga, and was given the reward seen in the above screenshot without seeing my score. So I'm not 100% sure the bug explained above is that the "Pay to get better reward" option on the "Honor of the Huntsilvers" simply gives a reward for the wrong Saga. Probably a copy/paste error from the MotU Saga itself.

Good catch on the bug, thanks. It does indeed look like we got the setting wrong there. We're fixing it.

Shaatan
07-30-2013, 04:57 PM
This sounds like a completly awesome idea to keep the ED XP grinding more interesting. Unfortunetaly, current XP reward is absolutely not appropriate to the amount of time you need to complete those quests. To make this system worth running for players you might want to make the XP reward be on par with what you can get from farming Impossible Demands or Rusted Blades for as long as it takes to run all those quests.
I understand that its rather hard to estimate how long it can take for a normal group to run all those quests tho, but no1 said adjusting is going to be easy. :)

danotmano1998
07-30-2013, 05:35 PM
I would have thought you guys would have started the whole saga thing for each major chain, starting with the low level stuff and working up. IMO, you're doing it completely backwards.

Ah well, one man's opinion and all that...

ForumAccess
07-31-2013, 12:24 AM
How about a Harbor Saga, Market Place Saga and a Saga for each house?

This is what I was expecting, when Sagas were first announced. A way to link older, less run content and provide some kind of meaningful reward for some of the lower XP quests. Spanning a large level range, and multiple adventure packs with similar themes.

Feather_of_Sun
08-02-2013, 01:21 PM
We're making a change that will increase the Saga rewards from their current values, and are doing so with a higher percentage of increase to the harder difficulties.

At the high end, the Honor of the Huntsilvers will award 165,000 Experience Points for a True Elite completion.

This XP award is an option that can be selected from the reward list when you turn in the completed Saga quest, and is in addition to all the experience points you will have earned by completing the component quests within that saga.

-Zephyr-
08-02-2013, 02:07 PM
We're making a change that will increase the Saga rewards from their current values, and are doing so with a higher percentage of increase to the harder difficulties.

At the high end, the Honor of the Huntsilvers will award 165,000 Experience Points for a True Elite completion.

This XP award is an option that can be selected from the reward list when you turn in the completed Saga quest, and is in addition to all the experience points you will have earned by completing the component quests within that saga.

This is still too low to provide a way to level destinies without actually have them in quests as I wished it would, given the time needed to complete a saga, but thank you for that.

Valakai
08-02-2013, 02:12 PM
What I would love to see is that you could get the xp reward for quests when you turn them in. Not just for sagas. That would really take the sting of the ed grind.

But still...seems like a good system. Personally would prefer if the sagas would be a little shorter but still quite nice. Is it possible to run same saga again for additional reward?

Loromir
08-02-2013, 02:18 PM
For so many quests to be completed for your reward, it will have to be worth it, or people will skip this feature. What I would hate to see for the true elite completion is a mere +3 skill tome (I see going through an equivalent tp point amount in resources to pull it off, if not more).

A +3 exceptional skill tome might be worth while...or even a +3 UMD tome.

Vyder
08-02-2013, 07:07 PM
I would have thought you guys would have started the whole saga thing for each major chain, starting with the low level stuff and working up. IMO, you're doing it completely backwards.

Ah well, one man's opinion and all that...


This^

Da_Most_Shady
08-03-2013, 01:08 AM
This is still too low to provide a way to level destinies without actually have them in quests as I wished it would, given the time needed to complete a saga, but thank you for that.

165k is low? are you kidding me dude? what do you expect 1 million xp per saga?

I still think exp rewards are garbage though because at some point you will be capped. I would rather have an item from the chain be a reward option.

soloist12
08-03-2013, 12:20 PM
165k is low? are you kidding me dude? what do you expect 1 million xp per saga?

I still think exp rewards are garbage though because at some point you will be capped. I would rather have an item from the chain be a reward option.

Can be done in 8 farmhouse runs, 1.5 minutes each run.

Yeah, it's low. The only real purpose of the exp reward would be to level off-class destinys, because you can't do that in eh/ee in most cases with your class.

The better option would be gaining exp for other eds while staying in your ed of choice, like it should have been from the start.

Da_Most_Shady
08-03-2013, 05:44 PM
Can be done in 8 farmhouse runs, 1.5 minutes each run.

Yeah, it's low.

Anything is low compared to that. Picking the absolute best xp/min quest and trying to compare it to everything is nonsense.

I would be happy with a chance at an EE item from the chain instead.

Firewall
08-03-2013, 07:31 PM
What I would love to see is that you could get the xp reward for quests when you turn them in. Not just for sagas. That would really take the sting of the ed grind.


I would love that too. Right now it is no fun. If you run in the ED you like for your Char and it is already capped you waste xp and play time.

angelofdeath100
08-04-2013, 12:56 PM
@Feather of the Sun Its sometime very difficult to get some the rarer rewards, so rather than just skill tomes why don't you offer access to item lists from the quest that are involved in saga. Sometimes one good item that you haven't been able to obtain maybe better than the other offerings. After all you have the three completions rule on some of the story arcs in Eberron. The sagas require you to finish 2 story arcs, is this a reasonable correlation. I think it is a suitable reward to get a seal of dun'rober rather than to two skill tomes. While I've got you're attention, that that you'd offer gear that set offerings that are about same as random, allows casual players to respect their gear for higher level quest. It allows them to make planned changes and maybe get lucky with quest treasure chests.

oradafu
08-04-2013, 01:27 PM
So if I'm to understand this correctly, currently the Saga Rewards are the XP, Skill Tome(s) and Renown.

I'd like to suggest a few more options, if I could. First, this seems like an ideal place to put Heroic Commendations. I'd include these in both of the current Sagas and also the Truthful One/GH Saga when it happens. Since players have to complete Caught in the Web to get the reward, having the Heroic Comm there doesn't seem out of place; and this goes for the GH Saga also. I can see people balk at the Huntsilvers Saga dropping Heroic Comms, but hear me out. The Shadowfell expansion is really lackluster when it comes to loot and Heroic XP, so when new packs in the same level range are introduced, there will be little reason for players to pick up the Expansion is they haven't already. One way of getting players to purchase the expansion would be the ability to pick up Heroic Comms from a Saga run, not unlike the main draw (arguably only draw now) for the House C Challenges is the relatively fast Epic Tokens.

Another addition for the Sagas could be a random Augment Crystal.

The last suggestion would be to add a random DDOStore item as another reward. This reward could be anything from the DDOStore. Examples of such items could be the various store Pots and Elixirs, Astral Shards, Omnispell Dust, Hair Dyes/Styles, Cookies, Cosmetic Pets and Cosmetic Armor.

Adding these three options gives players at least six different rewards to choose from.

Shaatan
08-05-2013, 05:10 AM
Anything is low compared to that. Picking the absolute best xp/min quest and trying to compare it to everything is nonsense.

I would be happy with a chance at an EE item from the chain instead.

The thing is, they are taking away from us everything that was worth farming for ED XP and give next to nothing in return. You wont be able to farm Impossible Demands, Rusted Blades or whatever people are farming for ED. At level 28 there will be too much overlevel penality and quest ransack will make it even worse.
Thats why people are looking for anything that would be even close to what they have now.

Now lets talk about numbers.
I know its different for every group but lets assume that running the whole MoTU Saga takes about 3 hours. Within those 3 hours you could run Impossible Demands ~90 times, which would be ~1.800.000 XP.

Now lets see how much XP Saga offers.
So, lets assume all those quests give ~50k XP on EE on first time completion. Thats 650.000 XP for 13 quests + 165.000 XP from Saga reward = 815.000 XP. Thats not even half of what you can get from Impossible Demands AND THATS WITH FIRST TIME BONUS ! Not to mention that you have to run 13 EE quests to get this much while in old system you just have to run EN. Also, most of the people who will run it on EE, will most likely run it in their prime destiny and then take the reward for leveling destiny, which kills majority of XP gained this way.

As I said in previous post, Saga system is a really cool idea, but the rewards are really inadequate to time and effort put in running all those quests for now.

ArcaneArcher52689
08-05-2013, 12:59 PM
The thing is, they are taking away from us everything that was worth farming for ED XP and give next to nothing in return. You wont be able to farm Impossible Demands, Rusted Blades or whatever people are farming for ED. At level 28 there will be too much overlevel penality and quest ransack will make it even worse.
Thats why people are looking for anything that would be even close to what they have now.

Now lets talk about numbers.
I know its different for every group but lets assume that running the whole MoTU Saga takes about 3 hours. Within those 3 hours you could run Impossible Demands ~90 times, which would be ~1.800.000 XP.

Now lets see how much XP Saga offers.
So, lets assume all those quests give ~50k XP on EE on first time completion. Thats 650.000 XP for 13 quests + 165.000 XP from Saga reward = 815.000 XP. Thats not even half of what you can get from Impossible Demands AND THATS WITH FIRST TIME BONUS ! Not to mention that you have to run 13 EE quests to get this much while in old system you just have to run EN. Also, most of the people who will run it on EE, will most likely run it in their prime destiny and then take the reward for leveling destiny, which kills majority of XP gained this way.

As I said in previous post, Saga system is a really cool idea, but the rewards are really inadequate to time and effort put in running all those quests for now.


You mean they don't want you to be able to max out an ED in 3 hours?

PsychoBlonde
08-05-2013, 04:42 PM
If its based on points... why not Heroics Commendations as rewards too? It would be nice if we can get heroic comms outside of the raids, and Sagas seems a nice placeholder.

One saga has 13 quests and the other 16. So maybe only on Elite and True Elite completions you can get heroic comms, i would like to see 1 on elite, and 2 on True Elite.

This is a FANTASTIC idea--it'd be a difficult task but a way for people who hate to grind raids to get Commendations of Heroism in a slow but steady way.

Super mega signed.

PsychoBlonde
08-05-2013, 04:51 PM
You mean they don't want you to be able to max out an ED in 3 hours?

Keep in mind the new quest repetition system they're implementing. They are also working on smoothing out the XP curve in the next update after the xpack. So basing everything off the "what's the very best XP/minute I can get at this level right now" measure is not what people should be looking at (nor does anyone know what it will look like after the repeat penalty changes). There are other reasons than pure XP/min to run a chain, such as helping friends flag, looking for specific rewards, just enjoy the quests, etc. So the saga reward does not have to be better than all other possible XP gains to make it "worth it".

I would like to make the suggestion that completing explore area quests grant points, so if you get all the King's Forest explores, maybe you get 2 points. Get all the rares, maybe that's 3 or 4. Maybe get 1 point for certain slayer milestones. I like tooling around in slayer areas to unwind--they're fun, open, expansive areas.

Aolas
08-05-2013, 06:56 PM
Terrific idea but they should support the casual player, most people with family and work commitments can't play long hours at a stretch. If you could complete a saga through multiple playing sessions that would be dandy.

Hendrik
08-05-2013, 07:01 PM
Terrific idea but they should support the casual player, most people with family and work commitments can't play long hours at a stretch. If you could complete a saga through multiple playing sessions that would be dandy.

From what I read/understand, you can.

The Saga Quest NPC remembers where you are at in the Saga.

soloist12
08-06-2013, 12:45 AM
Anything is low compared to that. Picking the absolute best xp/min quest and trying to compare it to everything is nonsense.

I would be happy with a chance at an EE item from the chain instead.

The alternative is running quests on low difficulties in completely off-class destinies for a much slower gain after the EP goes live; there are no 1.5 minute quests coming like the 2 options we currently have.

My message to anyone right now is max them out while it's still efficient to do so, only 2 weeks remain.


As for the saga exp, 165k is peanuts for a true elite completion. Jungle was giving 80k with a 20% pot, and that's a 10 minute quest with 2 people...

Henky
08-06-2013, 04:32 AM
This is a FANTASTIC idea--it'd be a difficult task but a way for people who hate to grind raids to get Commendations of Heroism in a slow but steady way.

Super mega signed.
Yeah, and people that play solo or in small groups can get commendations of heroism this way, for the armors basically, if they dont play raids they dont have weapons.

But no word off the devs on this matter, so i guess no comms on sagas. I prefer EE/EH items and comms over XP/renown.

Aolas
08-08-2013, 03:41 PM
From what I read/understand, you can.

The Saga Quest NPC remembers where you are at in the Saga.

Superb, I think the whole saga setup is a real quality idea. Experienced players can freshen up their gameplay, newer players will need the to purchase content so it should bring in some revenue.

danotmano1998
08-08-2013, 04:01 PM
take the reward for leveling destiny, which kills majority of XP gained this way.


Not necessarily.
Couldn't you just do the quests in your destiny of choice, visit the fatespinner to activate the one you WANT to get the xp in, chug a potion, put on your voice, and THEN go talk to them?

This may be the way they are finally giving us an option to gain xp in the destiny we actually want it in, as opposed to the one we enjoy playing most.

mikarddo
08-09-2013, 06:00 AM
We're making a change that will increase the Saga rewards from their current values, and are doing so with a higher percentage of increase to the harder difficulties.

At the high end, the Honor of the Huntsilvers will award 165,000 Experience Points for a True Elite completion.

This XP award is an option that can be selected from the reward list when you turn in the completed Saga quest, and is in addition to all the experience points you will have earned by completing the component quests within that saga.

First, thank you for asking for input.

The concept of Sages is really great - but the reward needs to be compelling to make people run for it. Otherwise it will only be a side bonus you get once for running the quests anyway for favor / flagging.

Its unclear to me if the current setup means you get all of XP+Skill Tome+Reknown - or that you have to just pick one of the three. The Tome is somewhat interesting though obviously less open ended than XP or Reknown.

Btw, dont listen too closely when someone posts running 16 quests in 3 hours. If anyone is able to do that they are definitely far from representative. At any rate - 165k is not compelling at all. Make it 500k and its starting to look interesting without being incrediable at all. 165k might be suitable on normal but not for anything harder than that.

Finally, by all means implement Sages for lower level chains as soon as possible as well. Not only will that make running different quests more interesting it will also make buying different packs more appealing to premium players and/or make VIP look more attractive.

mikarddo
08-09-2013, 06:02 AM
Not necessarily.
Couldn't you just do the quests in your destiny of choice, visit the fatespinner to activate the one you WANT to get the xp in, chug a potion, put on your voice, and THEN go talk to them?

This may be the way they are finally giving us an option to gain xp in the destiny we actually want it in, as opposed to the one we enjoy playing most.

You seem to have misunderstood the point. If you need to run in a capped ED in the quests you dont benefit from most of the xp - only from the Sage xp. Thats part of why the Sage XP needs to be significantly higher rather than cap out at such a small number as 165k.

Shataan
08-09-2013, 06:50 AM
You seem to have misunderstood the point. If you need to run in a capped ED in the quests you dont benefit from most of the xp - only from the Sage xp. Thats part of why the Sage XP needs to be significantly higher rather than cap out at such a small number as 165k.


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Aolas
08-14-2013, 05:45 AM
Seems like:

People who don't have the items they want will prefer to farm (one area intensively) rather than play sagas for loot drops.
People who have already farmed their items will prefer to play sagas but will want XP not loot.

So I guess there should be some kind of duality built into the saga reward system. Anyway, what you are talking about is an addition not a replacement to regular questing so the rewards might not be so important so long as everyone is having a blast.

Sagas are probably more appealing to old timers that have everything they want and are looking for a fresh challenge, trying to keep the older playerbase (subscribers especially) interested in sticking around. Rewards would likely be more in the region of being a marketing exercise to entice new players into purchasing extra content or sub up.

Lord how I hate grinding. As a newbie to DDO if I could gear up Aolas questing sagas it would be a dream come true :D

Marupal
08-17-2013, 05:14 PM
Sagas sound like a great idea.

Was hoping to see a few more added to the list:
Harbinger of Madness and Reign of Madness.
The ones others have mentioned already Reaver, Shavarath, Droamm, and Litany.

The rewards sound interesting, certainly more than we're currently getting. Would still like to see items from the chains added to it in some way and Commendations.

Another thing that might be good: Tokens that you could take to another vendor and purchase the more elusive items. ...cuz it's been 4 years and I haven't pulled a Ring of Spell Storing yet. :P (I've traded for 2 or 3, but never pulled one)