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SqueakofDoom
05-06-2013, 04:16 PM
Today's Update brings new fun things to Lamannia! Along with the U18 Quests (Disciples of Shar, Escape Plan, and Shadow of a Doubt), you can now create a Bladeforged Iconic Character! When you check out the new quests and Bladeforged Iconic, don't forget to fill out a Survey (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/414630-Surveys!)!

The New Enhancements are no longer available: the current Live version of Enhancements are back in place. Because this transition causes issues, we have wiped all Characters from Lamannia. Please keep an eye out for any irregularities that could be caused by adjustments made for the New Enhancement system. While we know of two issues (Some tool-tips are incorrect and some New Enhancements are automatically granted along with any Enhancements you choose) please bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) any issues you notice!

Also, Character Copy (http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy) is available again. Remember that you must first be logged into the forums to be able to transfer your characters!

We will have a Loot Event tonight (Monday) from 7pm to 9pm EST (GMT -4)

Smiles,
Squeak

UurlockYgmeov
05-06-2013, 04:28 PM
Awesome Squeak!

One issue - just opened the character copy - and still shows last wipes copies... so can't copy.

gemineye
05-06-2013, 04:31 PM
After using the Character Copy Tool:

All of my current end game toons are level 4...and no gear..only tried 2 of them...Will this be fixed?

~Hexfax
05-06-2013, 04:39 PM
I got a different issue with the character copy.

I was only able to copy over 1 of the 3 main characters that I copied last time in January, since I don't have an option to copy them over.

And the one character that was copied over starts at level 1, instead of being level 25 as he is on live.

~Thalm0r
05-06-2013, 04:49 PM
Will there be updated Release notes?

~SeikojinSama
05-06-2013, 04:58 PM
When I go to use the character copy tool, it tells me to login (which I am on the forums, erroneously (not my seikojin name)), so I think I am out for now. :(

~Texlaw1990
05-06-2013, 05:06 PM
I'm one of those who had to use a different forum name on the same account, so that may have something to do with it.

It will not be as much fun to roam Lamannia without my main, which never had a problem transferring. I may wait a few days before I try to participate, especially if people's toons are winding up lvls 1 or 4 after transfer. Has anyone transferred without any problems so far?

Note: I made a change to my profile (time zone) and no longer get the "you must be logged in" message. I assume once we download the update, we can transfer our characters - currently it says I have no one to transfer).

GoldyGopher
05-06-2013, 05:07 PM
Please login to perform a character copy.

Don't think that is working as intended.

~Hexfax
05-06-2013, 05:14 PM
Another issue seems to be that there's no shortcut to Eveningstar, such as the one mentioned near the Founder's Fountain. With people not able to copy over characters with keys and starting from scratch, most players will need to run the Web of Choas chain to get to the new content.

Aussir
05-06-2013, 05:14 PM
Don't think that is working as intended.
Why is the char copy on a german page? I had to change it from http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy to http://www.ddo.com/de/character_copy for it to realize I'm logged in.

On top of it, character wipe but my characters don't appear to be copied over again AND extremely old characters that I deleted ages ago and mules are there. Is this a joke?

More Turbine fails... the movie is by now so ridiculous that it's comical...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/alexisdorian/My%20stuff/531864_o_zpsdd9fffa0.gif (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/alexisdorian/media/My%20stuff/531864_o_zpsdd9fffa0.gif.html)

Claransa
05-06-2013, 05:20 PM
I tried to copy a toon over, but there's like 60 names on my list and no details to see which one is the right one to copy over. Many instances of the same name over and over, toons i don't even remember making.

Might i suggest that you should have had this working before the wipe and update?

DemonStorm333
05-06-2013, 05:23 PM
same squeak all my toons that I copied in jan still aren't off the list of already copied toons

~Dark_Sable
05-06-2013, 05:28 PM
I also have old copies displayed, but worse than that...

It has a selection for every time the character was re-rolled, so my mains have about five or six selections with their name, and there is absolutely no way of telling which one is my actual character.

Could we get a level, a date made, or even better, a way of NOT showing characters that haven't existed for years?

jessman615
05-06-2013, 05:31 PM
well i cannot even get to character copy link says I need to login

~LordAsmodeus
05-06-2013, 05:36 PM
Cant copy since it wants me to log in, I am already logged in.

druiddhohb1
05-06-2013, 05:37 PM
i am in the same boat.. im logged in and get the please log in error

jessman615
05-06-2013, 05:39 PM
Server was wiped but cannot copy endgame toons. says I already have them copied.

Aussir
05-06-2013, 05:42 PM
Cant copy since it wants me to log in, I am already logged in.

Guys, here's how to login:

- Login to the site/forum as normal
- Go to the char copy page and you'll see http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy
- CHANGE it to this: http://www.ddo.com/de/character_copy
- Reload the page

You should be able to see your characters now.


Oh and I'm having the multiple character problem as well. I now have copied a completely naked, lvl 12 re-roll of a character while the level 24 is still listed as copied.
FAIL!

SisAmethyst
05-06-2013, 05:56 PM
Btw. had to refresh that page more then once after login to see it at http://www.ddo.com/de/character_copy

However as others already mentioned, the characters copied some months ago are still in the copied list, so can't be recopied. Further the list contains old archived and deleted characters from anno dutemal. Can we please get the 'already copied characters' list wiped too please so that we are able to copy our main character?

thanks in advance

Zero_Gauge
05-06-2013, 06:23 PM
I am unable to use the character copy myself, also I tried a few different browser, both en and de links to no avail. Oh well, looks like I won't be checking out the new builds. It only took me 2 weeks to get Lamannia to download and install its updates and now this.

~Phemt
05-06-2013, 06:32 PM
Can we read Release Notes please?

Ironforge_Clan
05-06-2013, 06:38 PM
I am unable to use the character copy myself, also I tried a few different browser, both en and de links to no avail. Oh well, looks like I won't be checking out the new builds. It only took me 2 weeks to get Lamannia to download and install its updates and now this.

Same

chance2000
05-06-2013, 06:45 PM
It tells me the same need to log in.

Shorlong
05-06-2013, 07:03 PM
I am unable to use the character copy myself, also I tried a few different browser, both en and de links to no avail. Oh well, looks like I won't be checking out the new builds. It only took me 2 weeks to get Lamannia to download and install its updates and now this.

You know, it takes about 15 minutes to make a level 25 character, fully geared and ready to go. With the dojo and the AH, not a whole lot needed.

Angerous
05-06-2013, 07:04 PM
Same here says please log in to copy, even though I'm logged in. Slackers! :P

~Texlaw1990
05-06-2013, 07:06 PM
Go to the top of the page next to your screen name and hit settings, then save them again (if that doesn't work, change your time setting and save).

You can now access the character copy, but of course any characters previously transferred are still shown as uncopyable, sigh.

Edit: Sigh again, it only worked once.

Angerous
05-06-2013, 07:06 PM
Oh and now it's saying "Error retrieving your player information." lol

~Glenalth_Woodwalke
05-06-2013, 07:22 PM
Server was wiped but cannot copy endgame toons. says I already have them copied.

It finally loaded with the proper account info for me, just to tell me that I had already copied my 5 primaries over in January and can't copy them again.

eachna_gislin
05-06-2013, 07:43 PM
I'm unable to use the german character copy tool as well.

I've tried refreshing the page many times, and adjusting my settings and then reloading.

Each time it tells me I still need to log in.

Theris
05-06-2013, 08:05 PM
Dearest Devs,

Thanks for releasing Update 18 on Lamannia! I'm really excited to see the new content.

I am having a few issues on my end:

1) When I use the URL http://www.ddo.com/character_copy/ it redirects me to http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy and executes the web app properly to render character data and control functions for copying over data. Going to http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy directly only produces a blank page asking me "to login". I think that there maybe a redirection error.

2) I am also seeing copy failures with no option to retry. Is this intentional?

3) Also, may we please have a character reset? I'd like to test the latest update on Lamannia with an current character, and not ones that are several months old.

Thanks,
Anne

Aganthor
05-06-2013, 08:12 PM
Same has everyone... Can't copy characters since the last copied ones are still in the list, all 5 of them!

~Texlaw1990
05-06-2013, 08:41 PM
I tried to create a bladeforged paladin, but I just couldn't get into it.

I want to copy my main (and only) to Lam. As noted, if we've previously copied a toon, we currently can't copy it again.

I'm afraid you've lost more than one tester. I'm not going back to test on Lam until it's fixed.

LittleTinSoldier
05-06-2013, 09:17 PM
Right...

I sent 4 of my characters to Lamannia:

My First Life Lvl 25 Arti showed up as a level 3 Favored Soul. Favored Soul?

It is true that I had copied her to Lam before so this was a copy-over, but when only one of the four arrives without problems, there be big, Big issues afoot...

noneill
05-06-2013, 10:28 PM
Dearest Devs,

Thanks for releasing Update 18 on Lamannia! I'm really excited to see the new content.

I am having a few issues on my end:

1) When I use the URL http://www.ddo.com/character_copy/ it redirects me to http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy and executes the web app properly to render character data and control functions for copying over data. Going to http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy directly only produces a blank page asking me "to login". I think that there maybe a redirection error.

2) I am also seeing copy failures with no option to retry. Is this intentional?

3) Also, may we please have a character reset? I'd like to test the latest update on Lamannia with an current character, and not ones that are several months old.

Thanks,
Anne

#1 Worked to get me to a character copy page that actually listed my characters.

but

#3 is also true for me, I need a character reset.

Lagin
05-06-2013, 10:53 PM
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/398160-Character-Copy-Tool-Issues
Started by Squeak.
I logged in, got all my toons geared up, then used the transfer, no problems.

Aussir
05-07-2013, 07:19 AM
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/398160-Character-Copy-Tool-Issues
Started by Squeak.
I logged in, got all my toons geared up, then used the transfer, no problems.
Good for you.
I managed to login last night but my characters still appear as "copied" even though there was a wipe, I have a huge list of re-rolls and characters I deleted ages ago that shouldn't be there and now I can't even access the tool anymore. So, don't come here and tell us it's all fine and dandy.

And Squeak, I would update those questions because this isn't just a "failed to copy character" issue...

YoureDownHelp
05-07-2013, 07:20 AM
Today's Update brings new fun things to Lamannia! Along with the U18 Quests (Disciples of Shar, Escape Plan, and Shadow of a Doubt), you can now create a Bladeforged Iconic Character! When you check out the new quests and Bladeforged Iconic, don't forget to fill out a Survey (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/414630-Surveys!)!

The New Enhancements are no longer available: the current Live version of Enhancements are back in place. Because this transition causes issues, we have wiped all Characters from Lamannia. Please keep an eye out for any irregularities that could be caused by adjustments made for the New Enhancement system. While we know of two issues (Some tool-tips are incorrect and some New Enhancements are automatically granted along with any Enhancements you choose) please bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) any issues you notice!

Also, Character Copy (http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy) is available again. Remember that you must first be logged into the forums to be able to transfer your characters!

We will have a Loot Event tonight (Monday) from 7pm to 9pm EST (GMT -4)

Smiles,
Squeak

Is this a ****ing joke? I AM STILL UNABLE TO LOG ONTO MY OLD ACCOUNT, SENT 3 TICKETS NOW AND NO ANSWER. You know what, dont update the ****ing game until you ****ing fix your ****ing problems. geez.

Nekronion
05-07-2013, 08:15 AM
You know, it takes about 15 minutes to make a level 25 character, fully geared and ready to go. With the dojo and the AH, not a whole lot needed.

I would really like to know where you get all the gear. In the dojo is only old stuff. Ok, some drops are now the updated ones with augment slots, but no U14 loot or later. The AH was either fully bought out not even 24 hours after the restart or not filled yet. Did you even bother to check? The doors to Dojo and Evening Star are still not permanent. I don't think the devs like to idle to keep them up, but it can't be so hard to make them stay.

For testing I need comparison to the live servers. I would need either at least a working character copy or the same help as last month including CITW drops, commendations, shards. I may sound like a spoiled child, but without a similar amount of astral shards I won't bother testing anymore. Without a working store I can get the points, but not spend them.

In my (not so) humble opinion you first need to do some work on the testing environment. Why not update the dojo with the new stuff? Or add a second room? Or get a script to fill up the AH every 3 days (including commendations and other ingredients of course? Without gear my characters get wiped in the first minutes of an EE quest. Some builds would be possible, but do you really want us to make a farming char first to farm the gear for a build I want to test out? No way!

I am doing it in my free time, I expect something that at least tries do give an impression of working as intended.

I cant even try out the new quests with an Iconic, because I dont have a key, the door is gone again and without proper gear the quests will be a pain. Survivable if you manage to get in the dojo to get to 25, otherwise I doubt you will survive the Spinner (at least without a proper group).

YoureDownHelp
05-07-2013, 09:19 AM
Today's Update brings new fun things to Lamannia! Along with the U18 Quests (Disciples of Shar, Escape Plan, and Shadow of a Doubt), you can now create a Bladeforged Iconic Character! When you check out the new quests and Bladeforged Iconic, don't forget to fill out a Survey (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/414630-Surveys!)!

The New Enhancements are no longer available: the current Live version of Enhancements are back in place. Because this transition causes issues, we have wiped all Characters from Lamannia. Please keep an eye out for any irregularities that could be caused by adjustments made for the New Enhancement system. While we know of two issues (Some tool-tips are incorrect and some New Enhancements are automatically granted along with any Enhancements you choose) please bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) any issues you notice!

Also, Character Copy (http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy) is available again. Remember that you must first be logged into the forums to be able to transfer your characters!

We will have a Loot Event tonight (Monday) from 7pm to 9pm EST (GMT -4)

Smiles,
Squeak


another problem, created a bladeforged but I cant test the new U18 quests, nor do I have enough gear etc due to the door to the dojo missing. forgot to make it permanent again eh?

~Eris_Discordia
05-07-2013, 09:46 AM
Today's Update brings new fun things to Lamannia! Along with the U18 Quests (Disciples of Shar, Escape Plan, and Shadow of a Doubt), you can now create a Bladeforged Iconic Character! When you check out the new quests and Bladeforged Iconic, don't forget to fill out a Survey (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/414630-Surveys!)!

The New Enhancements are no longer available: the current Live version of Enhancements are back in place. Because this transition causes issues, we have wiped all Characters from Lamannia. Please keep an eye out for any irregularities that could be caused by adjustments made for the New Enhancement system. While we know of two issues (Some tool-tips are incorrect and some New Enhancements are automatically granted along with any Enhancements you choose) please bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) any issues you notice!

Also, Character Copy (http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy) is available again. Remember that you must first be logged into the forums to be able to transfer your characters!

We will have a Loot Event tonight (Monday) from 7pm to 9pm EST (GMT -4)

Smiles,
Squeak

Release notes?

Why test with no notes? You guys getting too tired to even produce release notes?

And I am supremely surprised you didn't mostly shut down the forums again before starting the new beta.

Also, fix the dev tracker - and someone pm the link to release notes, these forums are garbage and I really can't stand staying here for long, even with stylebot attempting to fix the mess Turbine made.

~SeikojinSama
05-07-2013, 10:20 AM
The copy tool has always shown a list of all characters you have made across all servers. For me, when I clicked the link for the en page twice (first time said login), it showed the lists. The top part says who I previously copied. The second, longer list, shows all toons I have to select from. It says to click the world/server, but I cannot. Will report if I can.

SqueakofDoom
05-07-2013, 11:06 AM
Well, bother. While Character Copy worked for me during testing, I'm also seeing the same "you are not logged in" Character Copy issues. We are investigating the myriad of Character Copy issues (including multiples of your characters and the previous copies not being cleared out.) However, we no longer have the 5 character limit on Copies! (I know, it *says* you can only copy 5, but you can actually copy as many as you wish!)

As for the Dojo Door: I will continue to try to keep it available so it is viable to make a character from scratch. Unfortunately, I can't make the Test Dojo Door permanent since I'm only QA. It has been bugged and will hopefully eventually become permanent. In the meantime, I have wrangled up another account so I can just keep the instance open (since filling the Auction House usually requires me to be in a quest).

Additionally, my Lamannia client crashed before many items were placed in the Auction House. :( I will run the script again during lunch and after work.

Also, I have added a Door to Eveningstar in the Market near the Test Dojo Door!

voodoogroves
05-07-2013, 11:26 AM
Also ... release notes ;-)

~Ziind
05-07-2013, 11:29 AM
Lovely, Not only can I not access character copy, but now it seems my previous forum handle/account did not transfer at all. XD

Thus, I am now Ziind instead of the enigmatic, and favored Ziindarax! :P

Anyways, hope you guys can get this ironed out.

~Draeqo2
05-07-2013, 11:31 AM
Well, bother. While Character Copy worked for me during testing, I'm also seeing the same "you are not logged in" Character Copy issues. We are investigating the myriad of Character Copy issues (including multiples of your characters and the previous copies not being cleared out.) However, we no longer have the 5 character limit on Copies! (I know, it *says* you can only copy 5, but you can actually copy as many as you wish!)


Squeak, it seems to be an issue with the HTTP versus HTTPS url's.
The HTTP url's work, the HTTPS ones do not.

So these will work:


http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy

http://www.ddo.com/de/character_copy

Note the prefix & try the one here below as well (or change or add the HTTPS prefix & see what happens).

What does not work (you get 'Please login to perform a character copy' even though you are indeed logged in, in fact BECAUSE you are logged in, LOL):
either


https://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy

or

login (now you are in HTTPS) and then go to

www.ddo.com/en/character_copy
Important: Note that I did not use HTTP://, so the browser will automatically add the prefix of the session (which then is HTTPS).

By the way this no longer works when you have already used the HTTP one during the session or when your browser defaults to HTTP as prefix to add on incomplete URLs...

LOL :)

PS: you may need to force refresh (& use of HTTP prefix) for the the switch to unsecured to actually work; in Firefox you can check the encryption status (HTTP or HTTPS) of the page by using right mouse click, 'View Page Info'

Should be able to fix issue now IMHO...

~KrelarVersion2
05-07-2013, 12:07 PM
Also, I have added a Door to Eveningstar in the Market near the Test Dojo Door!

I'm guessing this door is temporary like the dojo door? You should just consider adding a eveningstar door to the dojo then you'll only have to recreate one door instead of 2.

smatt
05-07-2013, 12:36 PM
Well, bother. While Character Copy worked for me during testing, I'm also seeing the same "you are not logged in" Character Copy issues. We are investigating the myriad of Character Copy issues (including multiples of your characters and the previous copies not being cleared out.) However, we no longer have the 5 character limit on Copies! (I know, it *says* you can only copy 5, but you can actually copy as many as you wish!)As for the Dojo Door: I will continue to try to keep it available so it is viable to make a character from scratch. Unfortunately, I can't make the Test Dojo Door permanent since I'm only QA. It has been bugged and will hopefully eventually become permanent. In the meantime, I have wrangled up another account so I can just keep the instance open (since filling the Auction House usually requires me to be in a quest).Additionally, my Lamannia client crashed before many items were placed in the Auction House. :( I will run the script again during lunch and after work.Also, I have added a Door to Eveningstar in the Market near the Test Dojo Door!LOL, I feel for you Squeek..... You have been tasked to build a 3 story house... The only tools they (your bosses) gave you is a shovel and a pick.... Building materials.... A roll of toilet paper and 2ft of twine.... Turbine management = Incompetence at it's worst.... This is EXACTLY why so many people have given up ever even TRYING to test things... You guys make it like trying to get from NYC to NJ at 5PM..... Or a leisurely drive on the 405 in LA at 6PM on a weekday.... Amazing....

Galeria
05-07-2013, 12:39 PM
I couldn't find the Test Dojo door, only the Eveningstar Door. There are supposed to be two doors in the market?

Gilb
05-07-2013, 01:29 PM
I used the en and no dice! the de worked first time upon refresh!!!

UurlockYgmeov
05-07-2013, 01:48 PM
Well, bother. While Character Copy worked for me during testing, I'm also seeing the same "you are not logged in" Character Copy issues. We are investigating the myriad of Character Copy issues (including multiples of your characters and the previous copies not being cleared out.) However, we no longer have the 5 character limit on Copies! (I know, it *says* you can only copy 5, but you can actually copy as many as you wish!)

As for the Dojo Door: I will continue to try to keep it available so it is viable to make a character from scratch. Unfortunately, I can't make the Test Dojo Door permanent since I'm only QA. It has been bugged and will hopefully eventually become permanent. In the meantime, I have wrangled up another account so I can just keep the instance open (since filling the Auction House usually requires me to be in a quest).

Additionally, my Lamannia client crashed before many items were placed in the Auction House. :( I will run the script again during lunch and after work.

Also, I have added a Door to Eveningstar in the Market near the Test Dojo Door!


Thank you Squeak! We appreciate everything you and KookieKobold are doing!

Teh_Troll
05-07-2013, 02:55 PM
Cleaning up the duplicate and deleted toon names would be awesome. The new character copy worked fine for the ones that weren't duped.

Henky
05-07-2013, 04:04 PM
I'm seeing chars that i dont even remember creating them. But 3 of my main chars arent showing up in character copy page. But they appear as previous copy status.

esheep
05-07-2013, 08:32 PM
1). All the toons that I had successfully copied for last cycle claim to be on Lammania per the Character copy tool -- per the Lammania client, they are not... and can't "re-copy" ... shame
2). There are approximately 6 variants of each of my lesser played characters, this new tool gives me no information about each specific record... Only too late (after my 5 copies) did I discover that the more recent records of a character are the ones lower on the list (apparently...)


Really uncertain what necessitated this change (specifically the forums change which led to the rest of this mess)... old forum was way better. Only just learned today how to 'fix' my account to log in to these ones.

~DragonHoard
05-07-2013, 09:07 PM
Where are the release notes?

~wityadidgya
05-07-2013, 10:20 PM
was wondering when we will be able to purchase wheloon prison and storm horn they are not in the storeas of yet

KweiLi
05-08-2013, 08:11 AM
was wondering when we will be able to purchase wheloon prison and storm horn they are not in the storeas of yet

That is the expansion.

Weyborn
05-08-2013, 08:25 AM
I also have old copies displayed, but worse than that...

It has a selection for every time the character was re-rolled, so my mains have about five or six selections with their name, and there is absolutely no way of telling which one is my actual character.

Could we get a level, a date made, or even better, a way of NOT showing characters that haven't existed for years?



Same here

Singular
05-08-2013, 10:29 AM
Well, bother. While Character Copy worked for me during testing, I'm also seeing the same "you are not logged in" Character Copy issues. We are investigating the myriad of Character Copy issues (including multiples of your characters and the previous copies not being cleared out.) However, we no longer have the 5 character limit on Copies! (I know, it *says* you can only copy 5, but you can actually copy as many as you wish!)

As for the Dojo Door: I will continue to try to keep it available so it is viable to make a character from scratch. Unfortunately, I can't make the Test Dojo Door permanent since I'm only QA. It has been bugged and will hopefully eventually become permanent. In the meantime, I have wrangled up another account so I can just keep the instance open (since filling the Auction House usually requires me to be in a quest).

Additionally, my Lamannia client crashed before many items were placed in the Auction House. :( I will run the script again during lunch and after work.

Also, I have added a Door to Eveningstar in the Market near the Test Dojo Door!

God, I hope they pay you for this stuff!

~Eris_Discordia
05-08-2013, 10:33 AM
Well, bother. While Character Copy worked for me during testing, I'm also seeing the same "you are not logged in" Character Copy issues. We are investigating the myriad of Character Copy issues (including multiples of your characters and the previous copies not being cleared out.) However, we no longer have the 5 character limit on Copies! (I know, it *says* you can only copy 5, but you can actually copy as many as you wish!)

As for the Dojo Door: I will continue to try to keep it available so it is viable to make a character from scratch. Unfortunately, I can't make the Test Dojo Door permanent since I'm only QA. It has been bugged and will hopefully eventually become permanent. In the meantime, I have wrangled up another account so I can just keep the instance open (since filling the Auction House usually requires me to be in a quest).

Additionally, my Lamannia client crashed before many items were placed in the Auction House. :( I will run the script again during lunch and after work.

Also, I have added a Door to Eveningstar in the Market near the Test Dojo Door!

THere are no release notes, so there is nothing to test.

Have a nice day, let us know when you are ready to actually test things agains.

YoureDown
05-08-2013, 12:15 PM
THere are no release notes, so there is nothing to test.

Have a nice day, let us know when you are ready to actually test things agains.

This. I ran the quests, they function, but I dont know what else should be tested, and im not going to open DDO on my 3 PC's to test everything out via check on both and see if it acts differently. as it stands now its not a beta but a preview. a demo.

~NiborRis
05-08-2013, 12:51 PM
I have to agree that the lack of release notes makes the preview of very limited value. It's completely impractical for us to submit bugs about every little thing that we have no idea if it's even intended.

For example, Vitality +20 now appears instead of Toughness. Working as designed? Bug, held over from the Enhancement respec?
No unique loot has been reported yet from the new quests. At this point should we flag that as a bug? Is it not implemented? Do they not have any unique treasure?
The quests don't have an epic version. Intended? Bug? Being delayed until the xpack so they can be lvl 26+ quests on epic?
Iconic character cannot be reincarnated in any way. Bug? Limitation due to the current preview? Intended design?
There appears to be no new Monster Manual. Intended? While I'd love to submit a bug report that there aren't enough MM volumes, I don't think that's particularly useful for anyone involved.

If you want better bug reports from us, give us what we need to make informed decisions.

Hambo
05-08-2013, 04:15 PM
Another issue seems to be that there's no shortcut to Eveningstar, such as the one mentioned near the Founder's Fountain. With people not able to copy over characters with keys and starting from scratch, most players will need to run the Web of Choas chain to get to the new content.Funny... I created a brand new Alt and built it to level 20. I went to House C to fill out the spells I didn't have enough spells to fill the slots. When I tried to exit back to the Market I was dumped directly to Eveningstar, and couldn't get beck to the Market until I typed /death.Go figure.

Hambo
05-08-2013, 04:20 PM
I would really like to know where you get all the gear. In the dojo is only old stuff. Ok, some drops are now the updated ones with augment slots, but no U14 loot or later. The AH was either fully bought out not even 24 hours after the restart or not filled yet. Did you even bother to check? The doors to Dojo and Evening Star are still not permanent. I don't think the devs like to idle to keep them up, but it can't be so hard to make them stay.For testing I need comparison to the live servers. I would need either at least a working character copy or the same help as last month including CITW drops, commendations, shards. I may sound like a spoiled child, but without a similar amount of astral shards I won't bother testing anymore. Without a working store I can get the points, but not spend them.In my (not so) humble opinion you first need to do some work on the testing environment. Why not update the dojo with the new stuff? Or add a second room? Or get a script to fill up the AH every 3 days (including commendations and other ingredients of course? Without gear my characters get wiped in the first minutes of an EE quest. Some builds would be possible, but do you really want us to make a farming char first to farm the gear for a build I want to test out? No way! I am doing it in my free time, I expect something that at least tries do give an impression of working as intended.I cant even try out the new quests with an Iconic, because I dont have a key, the door is gone again and without proper gear the quests will be a pain. Survivable if you manage to get in the dojo to get to 25, otherwise I doubt you will survive the Spinner (at least without a proper group).^This.No Runearms and very few repeating xbows in the Dojo.

lostgunman
05-08-2013, 05:09 PM
It feels like there has been little to no support on this update...are they ignoring it on purpose or are they just too busy with other "stuff" to care about our issues at all?

~quintino
05-08-2013, 07:57 PM
what's up with the unexpected downtime? :O

Momsboys
05-08-2013, 07:59 PM
what's up with the unexpected downtime? :O

I wish i knew .-. I just logged on and it suddenly said '30 seconds" and i was sitting there like WHAT?!?!

~quintino
05-08-2013, 08:01 PM
I wish i knew .-. I just logged on and it suddenly said '30 seconds" and i was sitting there like WHAT?!?!

same here :(

Momsboys
05-08-2013, 08:02 PM
same here :(

I just logged back on, looks like servers up

~quintino
05-08-2013, 08:03 PM
I just logged back on, looks like servers up

lol that was the most random downtime ever xD

Momsboys
05-08-2013, 08:09 PM
lol that was the most random downtime ever xD

I think that was just a reset, but more of a warning would have been nice.

~Titan95
05-08-2013, 08:50 PM
I think that was just a reset, but more of a warning would have been nice.

Ummm Ya what was the Downtime for and is the Server up again???

~rcdrager
05-08-2013, 09:08 PM
Ummm Ya what was the Downtime for and is the Server up again???

it appears the downtime was to remove the entrance to the test dojo. only way in now is for there to be a character inside with a bracelet of friends.

~quintino
05-08-2013, 09:11 PM
it appears the downtime was to remove the entrance to the test dojo. only way in now is for there to be a character inside with a bracelet of friends.

there's currently an LFM for that :P

~rcdrager
05-08-2013, 09:16 PM
there's currently an LFM for that :P

and just who did you think put up that lfm ;)

~LordAsmodeus
05-09-2013, 01:26 AM
All the toons that I had successfully copied for last cycle claim to be on Lamonia per the Character copy tool -- per the Lamonia client, they are not... and can't "re-copy"Homunkurusu Complete 2013-01-24 14:13:48 2013-01-24 14:10:27 From before the server wipe Voltumna Failed 2013-04-14 06:22:01 I was able to copy that toonVoltumna Complete 2013-05-07 02:54:39 2013-05-07 02:50:00 I am still do not have my correct forum name and join date, don't know if that might be an issue with the char copy tool.Also could we have +5 tomes, Rune arms and some of the newer raid gear added to the Dojo, it would be so much less work in the long run for the Devs if they were permanent.

Kilbar
05-09-2013, 02:16 AM
Squeak, I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for any snark I've directed at you in the past. You seem to be doing your level best and I've just come to realize that. I'm sorry.

THAC0
05-09-2013, 04:15 AM
Soooo..... any current release notes on this? All I see is the one from 4/11....

What is Update 18 even called? Nice to see a few named quests...but geez... this is really disapointing on how things have been handled for the past several weeks here on the forums (new and old).

I still can't believe they broke all the links to posted information on the forums. But I digress.

What is U18 named, contains...and all about?

T.

THAC0
05-09-2013, 04:43 AM
I'm not even going to bother with Character Copy.

I see characters I deleted YEARS ago. I see characters that I believe I created 7 yrs ago (on different non existent servers now). I see multiple copies of the same character on the same server. I see characters on my main server that I play on that I know are deleted as new character have taken that spot.

Ugh. Really?

Come on Turbine... get it together.

~MarkGrismer
05-09-2013, 07:53 AM
Soooo..... any current release notes on this? All I see is the one from 4/11....

What is Update 18 even called? Nice to see a few named quests...but geez... this is really disapointing on how things have been handled for the past several weeks here on the forums (new and old).

I still can't believe they broke all the links to posted information on the forums. But I digress.

What is U18 named, contains...and all about?

T.

Unless it has been changed and I missed it; Update 18 is "The Shadowfell Conspiracy". Last I heard it is also supposed to be an extra-cost "expansion".

~Eris_Discordia
05-09-2013, 10:27 AM
Anyone else starting to think the reason we're not getting release notes is because something really scary is in them and it will break all of our characters and Turbine wants to avoid the drama?

Or do we all just think the general laziness and shoddiness of product that Turbine has been pushing is just getting grey and old, and it's time to let it out to pasture, and the devs are being shanghai'ed into projects that actually make money?

Again, no release notes means no reason to test, how are we supposed to know what is a nerf and what is intended.

SqueakofDoom
05-09-2013, 10:34 AM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:

Update 18 is NOT the Shadowfell Conspiracy Expansion Pack
Update 18 has quests introducing you to the environment and lore that will appear in the Shadowfell Conspiracy
These Quests are only Heroic difficulty
While the named loot has not yet been added to the three U18 quests, the three quests will have named loot
We have renamed "Toughness" (on items) to be "Vitality"
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate
We are working on fixing the Character Copy tool
We are working on making the Test Dojo door permanent on Lamannia! (While we have a fix, it still needs to be tested.)


Please feel free to bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) anything that seems like a bug to you. It is better to bug something that is working as intended than to not bug something that is actually a bug.

Also, while I'm not sure why Lamannia had a brief downtime, I have replaced the Dojo and Eveningstar Doors in the Marketplace (near the Trainers).

~Eris_Discordia
05-09-2013, 10:36 AM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:

Update 18 is NOT the Shadowfell Conspiracy Expansion Pack
Update 18 has quests introducing you to the environment and lore that will appear in the Shadowfell Conspiracy
These Quests are only Heroic difficulty
While the named loot has not yet been added to the three U18 quests, the three quests will have named loot
We have renamed "Toughness" (on items) to be "Vitality"
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate
We are working on fixing the Character Copy tool
We are working on making the Test Dojo door permanent on Lamannia! (While we have a fix, it still needs to be tested.)


Please feel free to bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) anything that seems like a bug to you. It is better to bug something that is working as intended than to not bug something that is actually a bug.

Also, while I'm not sure why Lamannia had a brief downtime, I have replaced the Dojo and Eveningstar Doors in the Marketplace (near the Trainers).

Thank you. Better than nothing, at least it can answer some of the questions of those testing.

~Garrus
05-09-2013, 10:52 AM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:


Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate




Do you mean they are not supposed to reincarnate YET or not reincarnate at ALL, meaning that even on live, they will never be given any reincarnate options?

Cernunan
05-09-2013, 11:05 AM
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate



Will this be a permanent part of Iconics, or is this a temporary state for testing purposes?

Satyriasys
05-09-2013, 12:07 PM
Squeak

The test Dojo is pretty much worthless if we cannot get proper items. I dont know why there are so many low level and pointless items in the treasure room.

Some classes are impossible to gear up and it takes forever.

Then theres that room with the numbered things you click on which spawn a gelatinous cube and gives you a bunch of junk. What is the point in this? Maybe instead have it give us weapon/gear sets based on different class archetypes and levels.

That way we can level up and go click on the level 25 Wizard gear box for example, and be all set.

lostgunman
05-09-2013, 01:07 PM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:

Update 18 is NOT the Shadowfell Conspiracy Expansion Pack
Update 18 has quests introducing you to the environment and lore that will appear in the Shadowfell Conspiracy
These Quests are only Heroic difficulty
While the named loot has not yet been added to the three U18 quests, the three quests will have named loot
We have renamed "Toughness" (on items) to be "Vitality"
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate
We are working on fixing the Character Copy tool
We are working on making the Test Dojo door permanent on Lamannia! (While we have a fix, it still needs to be tested.)


Please feel free to bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) anything that seems like a bug to you. It is better to bug something that is working as intended than to not bug something that is actually a bug.

Also, while I'm not sure why Lamannia had a brief downtime, I have replaced the Dojo and Eveningstar Doors in the Marketplace (near the Trainers).

Thanks, that helps a bit....

Please update the test Dojo also. Having useful L25 gear for testing this upper level content is really helpful...but as of now testing the 3 new L15 quests...it works ok.

It would be nice to have a vendor that sells all the necessary upgrade materials (Gianthold, Abbot, Shroud, etc...) any of the hard to get stuff...that would make it easier on the devs and us playtesters. Also, when will the DDO store be available again...HATE not having decent bags...

~Ovrad-Kab
05-09-2013, 01:27 PM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate


Well that's too bad.... definitely a sale breaker for me. I personally fail to see the point of a character that starts this close to cap, and can't do anything else after.

~Grubbby
05-09-2013, 01:41 PM
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate


Yikes. A dead end toon. Sounds like its ok for mules and off account openers, but that's looks like a lot of dev time to just make mules better.

~NiborRis
05-09-2013, 02:32 PM
These Quests are only Heroic difficulty


The reason this is a concern to me is mostly because this is the introduction to an expansion that is supposed to bring an increase in the level cap to level 28 - and to get there, we're going to need more content. Of course much will depend on the implementation of the level cap increase, but when we went from level 20 to 25, all the existing epic quests got a revamp, AND the expansion pack brought us 13 epic quests, AND the U13 intro quests had an epic version. That was a fair bit of content to see us through to level 25. What are we going to get to help us get to level 28? Obviously I, and others, were hoping that the U18 intro quests would also have an epic version to help feed that epic XP need.



Please feel free to bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) anything that seems like a bug to you. It is better to bug something that is working as intended than to not bug something that is actually a bug.

Yes, of course, from your point of view more bug reports is better than less, and it's easy enough to filter out the "working as designed" bugs. But this isn't our job - we're volunteering our time. When I see 50 things that seem like bugs, you're not going to get 50 bug reports. There's no way I'm writing up that much. I ask for notes to help whittle that 50 down to 20 or so, which is a little more manageable for me to consider submitting. Even if I submit only 10, that's 50%, and they'll all have a much higher chance of being something actionable. Whereas if I submit 10 of 50, only 2 of them are likely to be actionable, and you get 10% of the usable info instead of 50%. It's a basic matter of help us help you.

SirShen
05-09-2013, 02:35 PM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:

Update 18 is NOT the Shadowfell Conspiracy Expansion Pack
Update 18 has quests introducing you to the environment and lore that will appear in the Shadowfell Conspiracy
These Quests are only Heroic difficulty
While the named loot has not yet been added to the three U18 quests, the three quests will have named loot
We have renamed "Toughness" (on items) to be "Vitality"
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate
We are working on fixing the Character Copy tool
We are working on making the Test Dojo door permanent on Lamannia! (While we have a fix, it still needs to be tested.)


Please feel free to bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) anything that seems like a bug to you. It is better to bug something that is working as intended than to not bug something that is actually a bug.

Also, while I'm not sure why Lamannia had a brief downtime, I have replaced the Dojo and Eveningstar Doors in the Marketplace (near the Trainers).

Thanks for the answers.

So not even LR for Iconic? So are we going back to if u get your toon wrong you have to delete and start again? and you want us to pay for this?

~redspecter23-A
05-09-2013, 03:27 PM
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate


Fair enough, but perhaps we could have a bit of info on how the devs expect these toons to be used. Other than the mule idea which seems the best idea so far (though that is just masking another problem which is inventory management), and making a toon exclusively for Cannith ingredient farming (which is masking the problem of how higher level toons can't farm lower ingredients) what are people intended to do with them? Who is the intended audience? Please let us know how you envision these iconics being used so we can understand the thought process here. Judging by the responses, players are not understanding the purpose and shining a bit of light onto that would help.

Cetus
05-09-2013, 04:43 PM
WOW, the level of detachment is astronomical!


You aren't giving us epic, you aren't letting iconics reincarnate, can you just do all of us a favor and scap this entire update? I feel sorry for the guy doing the artwork for the bladeforged, all of his good work is for nothing.

~TuskCouncil
05-09-2013, 08:30 PM
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate

Iconics are best treated as a new type of race/class locked combo (i.e. must start off as paladin 1, inherent 32 point character like drow, etc) rather than never allowed to reincarnate.

Not allowing people to reincarnate to or from an iconic will severely limit their palatability to existing players, who in turn will pass that message along to any savvy newer players (many of whom do ask veterans which packs are best to invest in, etc etc).

It doesn't seem like it would take a lot of work to implement a TR profile for iconics and there'd be immense payoff for it. Not allowing it seems like a very poor investment.

SerPounce
05-09-2013, 10:22 PM
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate

Yuck!

At least let the poor SOBs TR *out* of the iconic. People are going to feel pretty mislead if they find out they can't take part in a pretty huge part of the game because of a selection they made at character creation.

Satyriasys
05-09-2013, 11:05 PM
Yuck!

At least let the poor SOBs TR *out* of the iconic. People are going to feel pretty mislead if they find out they can't take part in a pretty huge part of the game because of a selection they made at character creation.

If they only allow Iconics who start at level 1 to TR. Starting at level 15 and TRing 5 levels later isnt good imo.

Dexraven
05-10-2013, 01:57 AM
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate

This is awesome news!

Now i don't have to buy another character slot for this new character as I'm NEVER going to roll one!

Thanks!

frugal10191
05-10-2013, 08:01 AM
It does seem like this is the start of a process to kill off the low level game.
- Characters that start at 15th level
- Concentration on Faerun which is high level only
- Increase in level cap to 28
- Epic TR process (which may take you back to level 15, maybe to level 20 who knows).

It does seem as though Turbine are concentrating on the high level game with a view to killing off the low level quests. Maybe one of the reasons that a lot of the lower level crafting mechanics are not being merged into something common is that they are to be cut out in a future update?

In a year or two time I can see a version of DDO that is only levels 15-30 and only in Faerun.

~Chasmyr
05-10-2013, 10:12 AM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:

Update 18 is NOT the Shadowfell Conspiracy Expansion Pack
Update 18 has quests introducing you to the environment and lore that will appear in the Shadowfell Conspiracy
These Quests are only Heroic difficulty
While the named loot has not yet been added to the three U18 quests, the three quests will have named loot
We have renamed "Toughness" (on items) to be "Vitality"
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate
We are working on fixing the Character Copy tool
We are working on making the Test Dojo door permanent on Lamannia! (While we have a fix, it still needs to be tested.)


Please feel free to bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) anything that seems like a bug to you. It is better to bug something that is working as intended than to not bug something that is actually a bug.

Also, while I'm not sure why Lamannia had a brief downtime, I have replaced the Dojo and Eveningstar Doors in the Marketplace (near the Trainers).


Thank you for getting us even these notes.

It is my understanding that this is a very Early Preview of what is coming up for the Shadowfell Expansion. In fact, I believe I found the Expansion Portal atop the ramps at the back of Wheloon. I also understand you were motivated in letting us get a crack at some of this stuff earlier than usual, so I thank you for that as well.

I'll fill out more of the review surveys with a couple of the incidents we uncovered. We ran the quests at full cap on Elite, and we went back and did it at the proper level, 16 apiece, to see how things went. Overall, I'm wondering if XP could use a little bump, but I'd have to run another quest at a similar level to gauge that more accurately I think.

Is this part of an effort to make the Realms a bit more widely available?

Allowing early entry to the Realms for 15th level quests, with some Epics eventually being available in Wheloon as part of the ramp up to level 28?

Also, as it could be important to the new cap; how will repeat penalties be handled in levels 25-28?

Satyriasys
05-10-2013, 10:25 AM
If they are designing iconics as a way for quick access to the realms and basically kill off early game. I would think a better approach to this would be creating low level quests in the realms and a new starter area.

~MarkGrismer
05-10-2013, 01:11 PM
Iconics are best treated as a new type of race/class locked combo (i.e. must start off as paladin 1, inherent 32 point character like drow, etc) rather than never allowed to reincarnate.

Not allowing people to reincarnate to or from an iconic will severely limit their palatability to existing players, who in turn will pass that message along to any savvy newer players (many of whom do ask veterans which packs are best to invest in, etc etc).

It doesn't seem like it would take a lot of work to implement a TR profile for iconics and there'd be immense payoff for it. Not allowing it seems like a very poor investment.

I don't TR (insufficient time, and the double-xp exceeds my pain threshold) but I agree 100% with the above. I think locking out TRs (and even moreso LRs and GRs if that is also true) is a poor business decision. I could see maybe not coming up with past life feats for the iconics (not crazy about the idea), but not letting somebody TR into or out of the iconics makes a player have to decide if they want to purchase another class slot for what people that TR consider 'a dead end character' or delete a 'non-dead end character' to try out an iconic that they will probably 'thow-away'.

I can't see any rational reason for making it that way.

Teh_Troll
05-10-2013, 01:22 PM
I don't TR (insufficient time, and the double-xp exceeds my pain threshold) but I agree 100% with the above. I think locking out TRs (and even moreso LRs and GRs if that is also true) is a poor business decision. I could see maybe not coming up with past life feats for the iconics (not crazy about the idea), but not letting somebody TR into or out of the iconics makes a player have to decide if they want to purchase another class slot for what people that TR consider 'a dead end character' or delete a 'non-dead end character' to try out an iconic that they will probably 'thow-away'.

I can't see any rational reason for making it that way.

This current batch of DDO devs doesn't want us TRing anymore. I don't know the reasons, ego perhaps because they want us playing their content and not stuff the old devs created? I'm not sure. Their attempt to make DDO more end-game focused with MoTU failed miserably.

it's a terrible business decision. TR is the end-game of DDO.

frugal10191
05-10-2013, 02:10 PM
If they are designing iconics as a way for quick access to the realms and basically kill off early game. I would think a better approach to this would be creating low level quests in the realms and a new starter area.

If they did that, they would have to create quests from levels 1 to 19, this way they only need to create quests from 15-19.

~Phemt
05-11-2013, 05:09 PM
Apologies if this has already been asked and replied but; do we have release notes yet?

Thanks.

Devilteck
05-13-2013, 12:08 AM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:

While the named loot has not yet been added to the three U18 quests, the three quests will have named loot

Well I seem to have found something found in Disciples of shar end questhttp://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii541/Devilteck/ScreenShot00038_zps18c88f70.jpg (http://s1259.photobucket.com/user/Devilteck/media/ScreenShot00038_zps18c88f70.jpg.html)

Devilteck
05-13-2013, 12:14 AM
Not sure what's going on but can't run the last quest it keeps trying to make me buy the quest but nothing in the store. Can't debug this stuff if you can't get to it.

Damien_Vampyre
05-13-2013, 05:17 AM
Not sure what's going on but can't run the last quest it keeps trying to make me buy the quest but nothing in the store. Can't debug this stuff if you can't get to it.

Well at least i'm not the only one getting left out in the cold. Was thinking it was just me due to the fact it says i'm not a vip on Lam but reg acct I am.. hmm how strange. Some ppl can access the quests and others can't, and since it is a new chain i'd say ya might wanna fix it.. kinda soon... just maybe

~KrelarVersion2
05-13-2013, 10:02 AM
Well I seem to have found something found in Disciples of shar end questhttp://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii541/Devilteck/ScreenShot00038_zps18c88f70.jpg (http://s1259.photobucket.com/user/Devilteck/media/ScreenShot00038_zps18c88f70.jpg.html)

That 10% chance of getting blinded for 1 second whenever you get hit sounds incredibly annoying. Having my screen go in and out of blackness constantly would drive me mad. Definitely a pass on any character that wades into the thick of things.

SqueakofDoom
05-13-2013, 10:39 AM
Not sure what's going on but can't run the last quest it keeps trying to make me buy the quest but nothing in the store. Can't debug this stuff if you can't get to it.

The final Update 18 quest: Shadow of a Doubt, will only be available if you preorder the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion pack. Unfortunately, neither the preorder nor guest passes are available on Lamannia at this time. :(

~kruemeli
05-13-2013, 10:55 AM
The final Update 18 quest: Shadow of a Doubt, will only be available if you preorder the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion pack. Unfortunately, neither the preorder nor guest passes are available on Lamannia at this time. :(

PLEASE!!!!!
BY THE BEARD OF SELUNE!
BY THE ARMPITS OF AZUTH!!!

We want to test.
We want to pre order.
Stop treating us like mushrooms.

~KrelarVersion2
05-13-2013, 11:03 AM
The final Update 18 quest: Shadow of a Doubt, will only be available if you preorder the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion pack. Unfortunately, neither the preorder nor guest passes are available on Lamannia at this time. :(

You should consider giving everyone on lammania the pre-order for a week (lamannia only) to test if the goodies actually arrive correctly to try and avoid the problems that happened last year.

KweiLi
05-13-2013, 11:21 AM
The final Update 18 quest: Shadow of a Doubt, will only be available if you preorder the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion pack. Unfortunately, neither the preorder nor guest passes are available on Lamannia at this time. :(

So let me get this straight.

Update 18 has 3 quests, 1 of which we will have to pre-order to get, none of them are epic, all 3 are of a lower level THAN THE QUEST CHAIN TO GET TO EVENINGSTAR, have embarrassingly terrible XP, not to mention that we are looking at Iconic Characters, which will be nothing more than Iconic dead ends.

Sorry, but Shan-to-kor is more interesting than these 3 quests.

Also the lack of release notes is shady. What are you hiding? You guys better get your act cleaned up soon, or your lose even those players who currently support you.

~kruemeli
05-13-2013, 11:28 AM
Sorry, but Shan-to-kor is more interesting than these 3 quests.

Yeah... with shan-to.kor you get better deals from marketplace merchants!
(It always confused me that Deneith rewarded you for something in the Pirate place...)


Also the lack of release notes is shady. What are you hiding? You guys better get your act cleaned up soon, or your lose even those players who currently support you.

Exactly

~KrelarVersion2
05-13-2013, 11:35 AM
Also the lack of release notes is shady. What are you hiding? You guys better get your act cleaned up soon, or your lose even those players who currently support you.

After Squeeks post I'm guessing we are going to be able to pre-order the expansion as soon as U18 hits. The release notes likely contain details about the pre-order that they don't want to announce yet. (hurry up already :p)

~kruemeli
05-13-2013, 11:46 AM
After Squeeks post I'm guessing we are going to be able to pre-order the expansion as soon as U18 hits. The release notes likely contain details about the pre-order that they don't want to announce yet. (hurry up already :p)

THEN THEY SHOULD AT LEAST SAY THAT!!!

then we could sit there happy in the knowledge that they are - at least - following some Kind of plan or strategy...
Otherwise they are just looking (especially when combined with the Forum Thing) not very... competent.

Silverleafeon
05-13-2013, 12:13 PM
That 10% chance of getting blinded for 1 second whenever you get hit sounds incredibly annoying. Having my screen go in and out of blackness constantly would drive me mad. Definitely a pass on any character that wades into the thick of things.

Blindness is far worse than any other status, because it affects the player as well as the toon.

~Darkarran_Guilren
05-13-2013, 12:22 PM
[QUOTE=SqueakofDoom;4999043]While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate
QUOTE]

Bladeforged is a new race/class combo. All new classes have started out non-TR-able, and that usually changes a few weeks to a month after release. Devs correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that this is just temporary like it normally is with new classes.

~NiborRis
05-13-2013, 12:42 PM
While they are not proper Release Notes, here are some answers to your questions:
Bladeforged Iconics are not supposed to be able to reincarnate


Bladeforged is a new race/class combo. All new classes have started out non-TR-able, and that usually changes a few weeks to a month after release. Devs correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that this is just temporary like it normally is with new classes.

That wasn't true of Druids - with Druids, you couldn't use LR/GR +1/+3/+5 to switch into Druid levels at first, and you couldn't use Vet Status on them. You could TR a Druid into something else, you could TR something else into a Druid from day 1, and you could LR/GR your Druid to respec them. The same limitation was in place for Artificers when they first came out.

This isn't just new race/class combo - it's race/class/vet status 15 combo. That's why this is different.

The devs haven't been completely clear so far, but it does appear that the limitation on reincarnation is currently designed to be permanent. There was a post today that they are planning a "dev diary" entry to describe the goals of Iconics soon, to help clarify what they are intended for.

KweiLi
05-13-2013, 12:51 PM
THEN THEY SHOULD AT LEAST SAY THAT!!!

then we could sit there happy in the knowledge that they are - at least - following some Kind of plan or strategy...
Otherwise they are just looking (especially when combined with the Forum Thing) not very... competent.

Exactly.

All most players want is some honesty, both when things are going good and bad. I know many of my characters are in a holding pattern awaiting further news about the new enhancement system, U 18 and Shadowfell. I refuse to grind for gear, which I'm sure will be outdated in just a few months, I don't want to TR until I'm sure where my builds are going, so while I'm still playing (still have a ton of 1st lifers to get up to 20), I'm also growing increasingly frustrated with a lack of unified communication from the DDO team. Why aren't their community people Hyping up the expansion (and game in general). Why haven't we seen teaser articles on the various MMO sites, Dev diaries, videos... there is so much the DDO team could be doing, but either won't or can't. I just don't get it.

YoureDown
05-13-2013, 01:31 PM
The final Update 18 quest: Shadow of a Doubt, will only be available if you preorder the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion pack. Unfortunately, neither the preorder nor guest passes are available on Lamannia at this time. :(

Okay this is pretty ridiculous.

if we dont buy it pre order we dont get the last quest, which will probably mean no chain rewards or anything, knowing that its horrible XP, bad loot, impossible to get to before you passed the streak levels, and if we do get a key and go to eveningstar to do it we got nothing good in return. I have seen games do this sort of stuff to games, they died off not too long after it. If you dont mind Ill go and install GW2 and SC2 back on my PC, Everything has its time then.
"Ashes to ashes, dust to dust", code to code.

Never have I been so disappointed with turbine.

~Teenah
05-13-2013, 02:43 PM
The final Update 18 quest: Shadow of a Doubt, will only be available if you preorder the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion pack. Unfortunately, neither the preorder nor guest passes are available on Lamannia at this time. :(

So Update 18 is 2 quests? 0 Wilderness Areas.

Feather mentioned that Skill augments are coming... are those in U18?
Is U18 really 2 quests with all the problems that others have cited and a change to Minos Legens and Crucible?


Can you see why we would perceive that as incredibly weak?

YoureDown
05-13-2013, 03:10 PM
So Update 18 is 2 quests? 0 Wilderness Areas.

Feather mentioned that Skill augments are coming... are those in U18?
Is U18 really 2 quests with all the problems that others have cited and a change to Minos Legens and Crucible?


Can you see why we would perceive that as incredibly weak?

If I remember correctly its 3 with horrid XP and some really bad loot.
http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw8706-bemuse.png
Though we have to remember its still in testing, so at least Turbine have a last chance to fix this up before it goes live.

~Teenah
05-13-2013, 03:13 PM
If I remember correctly its 3 with horrid XP and some really bad loot.


Read Squeak's post above... The 3rd quest is only available by preordering the expansion pack... So, It's part of the expansion pack you can get early, and not part of Update 18.

YoureDown
05-13-2013, 03:21 PM
Read Squeak's post above... The 3rd quest is only available by preordering the expansion pack... So, It's part of the expansion pack you can get early, and not part of Update 18.

Well then, my guildies will be happy to know that, atm no one on my guild is buying this with the current info. way to ruin a perfectly good opportunity to expand the game.

I've pre-ordered the MOTU collectors edition, yes the overpriced 80$ one cause I saw it would be awesome, but this... at this rate im not buying it even with turbine points when it comes out in the DDO store.

~NiborRis
05-13-2013, 03:33 PM
Why aren't their community people Hyping up the expansion (and game in general). Why haven't we seen teaser articles on the various MMO sites, Dev diaries, videos... there is so much the DDO team could be doing, but either won't or can't. I just don't get it.

At this point I'm coming to the conclusion that it's because just about everything that was mentioned in the announcement in Feb has major implementation questions surrounding it, and based on what we've seen with this update, they haven't resolved any of it.

1) Level cap to 28 - what's that good for? Getting another stat point, a feat, and letting random gen loot get more powerful (+138 spellpower gear, for example). Where is the XP coming from to level to 28 without creating crippling XP repeat penalties? What about new epic feats, now that we're taking 3 of them? How will this interact with Epic Destinies, or are they being left behind as a forgotten feature that everyone paid for?

2) Epic TR, new "completionist" track - um. We don't even have enough information to begin speculation, I think. But this could go horribly, horribly wrong. Reset your epic destinies? Reset from 28 to 20? Reset from 28 to 1 with no epic destinies? What does it take to qualify for the "2 build points" - that suggests that you'll have to go back to lvl 1 at some point, as well. How does it interact with more EDs being introduced in the future? ARE more EDs going to be introduced in the future?

3) Level 15 quests in FR, and no way to get there.

4) Iconic Heroes - a way to get to FR at lvl 15, but not with any character you're currently playing. Pre-set cookie-cutters that start at lvl 15, with slightly more power than a basic new character. Why does someone who already has a lvl 20 character want these? No idea yet. How does this solve the problem of TRs not being able to run lvl 15 FR quests until after they run lvl 16 flagging quests? It doesn't. What is the purpose here? We don't know yet.

5) Enhancement rewrite - there's a whole forum based on the challenges they face here. Honestly they've put a lot of work here; it's not ready yet but they've made good progress IMHO.

So, basically the announcement left me with a ton of questions on how they would make things work well. It's been - what, 10 weeks? And still no answers. What if they don't have them?

YoureDown
05-13-2013, 03:40 PM
At this point I'm coming to the conclusion that it's because just about everything that was mentioned in the announcement in Feb has major implementation questions surrounding it, and based on what we've seen with this update, they haven't resolved any of it.

1) Level cap to 28 - what's that good for? Getting another stat point, a feat, and letting random gen loot get more powerful (+138 spellpower gear, for example). Where is the XP coming from to level to 28 without creating crippling XP repeat penalties? What about new epic feats, now that we're taking 3 of them? How will this interact with Epic Destinies, or are they being left behind as a forgotten feature that everyone paid for?

2) Epic TR, new "completionist" track - um. We don't even have enough information to begin speculation, I think. But this could go horribly, horribly wrong. Reset your epic destinies? Reset from 28 to 20? Reset from 28 to 1 with no epic destinies? What does it take to qualify for the "2 build points" - that suggests that you'll have to go back to lvl 1 at some point, as well. How does it interact with more EDs being introduced in the future? ARE more EDs going to be introduced in the future?

3) Level 15 quests in FR, and no way to get there.

4) Iconic Heroes - a way to get to FR at lvl 15, but not with any character you're currently playing. Pre-set cookie-cutters that start at lvl 15, with slightly more power than a basic new character. Why does someone who already has a lvl 20 character want these? No idea yet. How does this solve the problem of TRs not being able to run lvl 15 FR quests until after they run lvl 16 flagging quests? It doesn't. What is the purpose here? We don't know yet.

5) Enhancement rewrite - there's a whole forum based on the challenges they face here. Honestly they've put a lot of work here; it's not ready yet but they've made good progress IMHO.

So, basically the announcement left me with a ton of questions on how they would make things work well. It's been - what, 10 weeks? And still no answers. What if they don't have them?

As I see it, the dev team is biting off more than they can chew. They are working on lots of things, which makes them completely forget bug fixing (I've submitted so many bugs in the live version, none were fixed or even adressed), ticket handling (so apparently I will never get my 1.5k TP im missing from VIP...) and making quality content within reasonable time and budget. Anyone else is seeing symptoms of a dieing company / game?

Cauthey_No_CCInfo
05-13-2013, 04:45 PM
The final Update 18 quest: Shadow of a Doubt, will only be available if you preorder the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion pack. Unfortunately, neither the preorder nor guest passes are available on Lamannia at this time. :(

Expansion pack?

When does this launch? How much does it cost? What sort of package am I going to get?

What's this Shadow of a Doubt quest?

Sorry. Info has been very difficult to find on these new and improved forums.

Deadlock
05-13-2013, 05:14 PM
So Update 18 is 2 quests? 0 Wilderness Areas.

Feather mentioned that Skill augments are coming... are those in U18?
Is U18 really 2 quests with all the problems that others have cited and a change to Minos Legens and Crucible?


Can you see why we would perceive that as incredibly weak?

We've been asking for however long that they take a break from adding stuff and fix stuff instead.

If U18 is a teaser for the expansion, but is focussed primarly on these much talked about quality-of-life-fixes, then I'll be the first to applaud them.

If U19 is no additional content and just bug fixes and quality-of-life stuff then I'll stand up and applaud them again.

As much as it's nice to add new stuff, it would be greatly appreciated by a lot of the long-time players to see a number of the minor and non-game-breaking stuff fixed. Otherwise we just get more new stuff with more bugs. So I won't be crying Doom at an update that isn't packed full of new stuff. Give us more quality-of-life stuff and I'll happily chill out until the big expansion hits.

~mynameisnotallowed
05-13-2013, 06:09 PM
The final Update 18 quest: Shadow of a Doubt, will only be available if you preorder the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion pack. Unfortunately, neither the preorder nor guest passes are available on Lamannia at this time. :(

it will be a cold day in shavarath before I "preorder" ANYTHING from your company again.

The game is STILL riddled with bugs form the prior "expansion" that have yet to be fixed.

Not to mention the "preorder" I supposedly made for MOTU was advertised as (now of course deleted) including a complete, finished enhancement system with all PRES completed and TWO raids.

~TuskCouncil
05-14-2013, 04:35 AM
That 10% chance of getting blinded for 1 second whenever you get hit sounds incredibly annoying. Having my screen go in and out of blackness constantly would drive me mad. Definitely a pass on any character that wades into the thick of things.

At the very least should be 5%--they're blinded when you vorp them and you're blinded when they vorp you. Fair's fair.

In a game where visibility and mobility are some of the highest commodities, going blind in 1/10 hits for a full second sounds like a very poor situation to put one's self in. Just look at Glitterdust.

That said, I think the theme of the item is cool. It'd be nice if the devs introduced fewer new effects and focused on fixing some broken preexisting mechanics; but whom are we kidding? They 'fixed' the forums to be cruddy, and so on...

YoureDown
05-14-2013, 04:45 AM
At the very least should be 5%--they're blinded when you vorp them and you're blinded when they vorp you. Fair's fair.

In a game where visibility and mobility are some of the highest commodities, going blind in 1/10 hits for a full second sounds like a very poor situation to put one's self in. Just look at Glitterdust.

That said, I think the theme of the item is cool. It'd be nice if the devs introduced fewer new effects and focused on fixing some broken preexisting mechanics; but whom are we kidding? They 'fixed' the forums to be cruddy, and so on...

From what I'm seeing with the new loot and quests this will become the new chain that everyone ignores, just like most people dont even run like sorrowdusk or restless isles.

~KrelarVersion2
05-14-2013, 09:45 AM
From what I'm seeing with the new loot and quests this will become the new chain that everyone ignores, just like most people dont even run like sorrowdusk or restless isles.

No problem! They'll just make you run the entire chain every time you want to leave eveningstar to do the expansion stuff! :rolleyes:

~NiborRis
05-14-2013, 10:10 AM
2) Epic TR, new "completionist" track - um. We don't even have enough information to begin speculation, I think. But this could go horribly, horribly wrong. Reset your epic destinies? Reset from 28 to 20? Reset from 28 to 1 with no epic destinies? What does it take to qualify for the "2 build points" - that suggests that you'll have to go back to lvl 1 at some point, as well. How does it interact with more EDs being introduced in the future? ARE more EDs going to be introduced in the future?

I decided what I hope that Epic TR is. TR from level cap - lvl 28 when it rolls out - back to lvl 1. Get an "Epic Past Life" feat for the class, exactly like you would a Past Life feat. Once you have all of them, you get Epic Completionist, which should be something like a second completionist feat, only without taking up a second feat slot - perhaps you can only take Completionist or Epic, and the Epic version is 2x (or some such improvement).
There's a bunch of details that can work out; are there Epic purchased past life feats, too? Do the Epic past lives stack 1x or 3x; do they stack on top of the heroic PLs or replace them? Would the epic XP requirements increase like the Heroic XP does (please no; not enough quests IMHO)? What will the cost be for Epic TR (Epic True Heart of Wood?) - Tokens of the Twelve? Gianthold relics? Heroic Commendations? Commendations would probably make the most sense, but that requires raiding, where for Heroic TR you did not need to raid, and the tokens are BtA, not BtC. Relics has the drawback of only appearing in Gianthold. Tokens appear in a lot of places and you might gather them as you're leveling from 20-28 anyway, so that would be nice. And of course, the Epic PLs need to be worth it, yet will they become mandatory for being EE capable?
Anyway, that'd be a good start for Epic TR. It would re-start the TR train for people, it would provide incentive for people running lvl 20-28 content on TRs, bringing a lot more of that content back into popularity. It would be VERY VERY nice if they could address the repeat counter issue for quests on both Heroic and Epic. Still a lot of questions to be answered, though, and who knows what they actually have in mind.

YoureDown
05-14-2013, 10:36 AM
No problem! They'll just make you run the entire chain every time you want to leave eveningstar to do the expansion stuff! :rolleyes:

http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw8380-dashie_table_flip_by_tomdantherock-d5e46om.gif

~Teho
05-15-2013, 07:31 AM
So Update 18 is 2 quests? 0 Wilderness Areas.

Feather mentioned that Skill augments are coming... are those in U18?
Is U18 really 2 quests with all the problems that others have cited and a change to Minos Legens and Crucible?


Can you see why we would perceive that as incredibly weak?

I guess that's what you can expect from a f2p update to the game? As such, the lvl 15 quests sort of make sense, but they should be accessible from Eberron side too. Or is this really going to be a pack we have to buy?

FalseFlag
05-15-2013, 10:27 AM
So far, I am utterly unimpressed with U18, all of the current design decisions, and the emphasis on the Forgotten Realms in a game that is supposed to be set in Eberron. If U18, the Realms focus, and the poor Iconics idea are signs of things to come, it's a really safe bet I won't be ordering the new expansion. Largely because I don't want to encourage more boring Realms content (and make no mistake - it's all pretty boring thus far).

I will admit, however, that I am quite eager to see what gets nerfed in these next two updates in order to facilitate the telling of the devs' stories (i.e., immunity changes, FoM changes, etc, all the bad decision made in the last year or two). I"m guessing Blindness Resistance, Death Resistance (instead of death block/ward), and such.

I'm pretty disappointed in this dev team and the new goals of the game.

lostgunman
05-15-2013, 10:33 AM
Had a big update this morning...haven't played lamma in a couple days...but wow...lot more than expected. I was playing the new quests...so I had the update 18 stuff...

FrostBeard
05-15-2013, 11:40 AM
To make us play the new Forgotten Realms all they have to do is put in an option to auto level to 15 and start in Eveningstar

Done, no more Ebberon Setting - unless you want gear ("gianthold")

whiteline
05-15-2013, 11:43 AM
Wish I could try out the new Quest but when I log-on it say's non vip
and wouldn't let me in

Today's Update brings new fun things to Lamannia! Along with the U18 Quests (Disciples of Shar, Escape Plan, and Shadow of a Doubt), you can now create a Bladeforged Iconic Character! When you check out the new quests and Bladeforged Iconic, don't forget to fill out a Survey (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/414630-Surveys!)!

The New Enhancements are no longer available: the current Live version of Enhancements are back in place. Because this transition causes issues, we have wiped all Characters from Lamannia. Please keep an eye out for any irregularities that could be caused by adjustments made for the New Enhancement system. While we know of two issues (Some tool-tips are incorrect and some New Enhancements are automatically granted along with any Enhancements you choose) please bug (http://ddobugs.turbine.com/ics/support/ticketnewwizard.asp?style=classic&deptID=24037) any issues you notice!

Also, Character Copy (http://www.ddo.com/en/character_copy) is available again. Remember that you must first be logged into the forums to be able to transfer your characters!

We will have a Loot Event tonight (Monday) from 7pm to 9pm EST (GMT -4)

Smiles,
Squeak

BruceTheHoon
05-16-2013, 01:42 AM
To make us play the new Forgotten Realms all they have to do is put in an option to auto level to 15 and start in Eveningstar

Done, no more Ebberon Setting - unless you want gear ("gianthold")

There's also a small matter of abysmally poor XP from sub level 20 quests in Eveningstar.

scartissue13
05-16-2013, 02:40 AM
as of right now at 2:40 am central time character copy is unavailable. it says page not found.

also the login screen is badly glitched. settings shows only 1 to 2 actual box descritors the rest are blank with a box you can check without knowing what you are clciking to do.

zaphear
05-16-2013, 12:23 PM
I refuse to acknowledge any success of Turbine's development team until they fix the freaking ladders... 7 years later and I STILL can't just walk up to a ladder and climb up it without bouncing up and down like a damn fishing bobber.

Teh_Troll
05-16-2013, 12:45 PM
This update should be named "U18: Please stop laughing!"

Seriously, this whole thing is a joke. Nobody in their right mind will pre-order anything from Turbine after the borderline bait-n-switch they pulled with MoTU.

Cyr
05-16-2013, 01:47 PM
Wow, you guys are really pressing yourselves hard. A massive two quests without an epic option and a pre-built toon with no reincarnations possible.

My submission for update name...

U18: The Missing Update

Release Notes:

Try and find them!

My2Cents
05-16-2013, 07:13 PM
I'm no Fanboi by any means, but I'm amused by all this early criticism.

The silence makes a clear statement to me that big decisions are being made. No official statement has been made that this is the entire next release, in fact I propose that the reason we don't see a lot yet is that right now a lot of things are being finalized.

I have this distinct feeling there will come a time when we will see a -lot- of things.

THEN you will have something to scrutinize.

Until then. there's just a test server with a new updater/patcher, the beginnings of a couple of new quests, a few hints at some new things, probably some underlying groundwork being tested..but this feels like the very early stages of something.

Just wait - see if I'm right.

FalseFlag
05-17-2013, 07:34 AM
Just wait - see if I'm right.

We could do that. Or. . . we could scrutinize what's been presented thus far, since that's what they've asked us to do. Crazy thought, I know, but it is what it is.

As for your assumptions, history is not on your side in precedent creation.

Kik96
05-18-2013, 09:22 PM
Nope, I can't copy characters over to lamannia because character copy for this account not reset and still working on getting forum account name for my other account re-associated to that account. Would appreciate a little help with character copy reset for this account, Squeak. I am in touch with customer support on getting the other account name fixed. I'm one of the few that needed the extra work to get it fixed.

YoureDown
05-22-2013, 12:57 AM
I'm no Fanboi by any means, but I'm amused by all this early criticism.

The silence makes a clear statement to me that big decisions are being made. No official statement has been made that this is the entire next release, in fact I propose that the reason we don't see a lot yet is that right now a lot of things are being finalized.

I have this distinct feeling there will come a time when we will see a -lot- of things.

THEN you will have something to scrutinize.

Until then. there's just a test server with a new updater/patcher, the beginnings of a couple of new quests, a few hints at some new things, probably some underlying groundwork being tested..but this feels like the very early stages of something.

Just wait - see if I'm right.

Knowing Turbine, if there is something that didnt hit beta testing because it wasnt finalized, expect 3 more downtimes in the next week to fix the massive bugs. If we wont be nitpicking and yelling at everything this game would be unplayable a long time ago. I'm not going to care about U18 at all, just hoping they fix a couple bugs and thats it.

Flexue
05-22-2013, 04:19 PM
Lamannia Launcher restarting neverend after update.

UurlockYgmeov
05-24-2013, 12:52 PM
Lamannia Launcher restarting neverend after update.

been that way for awhile.

what you can do to stop the neverending cycle is rename the turbineinvoker in the program directory.... then copy from your live the same file (both the invoker and launcher) - and this will get you into lamda land once....

next time to start the launcher for lamda it will go back to neverending cycle and you have to repeat.

I haven't been on lamdaland for days because of this.

demonikillu
05-24-2013, 11:07 PM
been that way for awhile.

what you can do to stop the neverending cycle is rename the turbineinvoker in the program directory.... then copy from your live the same file (both the invoker and launcher) - and this will get you into lamda land once....

next time to start the launcher for lamda it will go back to neverending cycle and you have to repeat.

I haven't been on lamdaland for days because of this.


Are the Servers supposed to be down or do we take the advice of you and chance the name so it play able today?
Thx