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Produktion_Malphunktion
04-15-2013, 09:04 AM
Gazebo is grumpy.

Just a short list of what was reported (i.e. proof we see bugs from y'all)

"Invalid" string appears as one of the cleric trees
[Cleric Enhancement Alpha] Wall of Text - Comments - Part 1
AA imbues not functioning on Elven Bard/AA
Action Point Costs in Stalwart Defender Enhancment tree
Action Point Icon still on
Action Point notification
action points
AH and ASAH UI cant be moved to the right edge of screen
AP "Indicator" (Near Buff Bar)
AP cost of Fighter Enhancement trees
AP icon still on screen and missing stairs
Arcane Archer Imbue Toggles appear to remain on.
Arcane Archer imbues stop working after logging out
Archers Focus charged by melee
Archmage, and an inability to spend the last action point after resetting a tree a couple times.
arti rune arm universal spell power adding
Battle Meditation vs Meditative focus + meditating issues
Bleed them out
Bliss is extremely expensive and basically useless
Breaking stuff results in break sound effect happening twice
Cannont unselect Dwarven constitution 2
Cannot connect to Lamannia
Can't choose both Divine Healing and Divine Vitality
Can't create an Artifier
capstone
Capstone enhancement is not working
Class enhancement Dance of death
Class/Racial Enhancement Core
Cleric trees
Concrete example of how multiclassing is more limited
Core enhancements should have visual indicator that they are available
Cosmetic item slots do nothing
Cost for resetting enhancements too much
Costs in Cleric Protection Domain.
Critical Accuracy
Dance of death
Death pact as an SLA?
Debilitating Arrow buff icon has wrong information.
Deepwood stalker
Deepwood Stalker Tier5 - Heavy Draw
dex mod damage dont work
Dilettante special ability says 3 universal spell power
Display when resetting enhancement
Displayed freed spell slots cannot be used.
Divine Light enhancement missing
Divine Might enhancement missing
DNT Messages from Angel Destiny
DNT Not For Player Message in combat log
Does not allow you to get enhancements until after you are done leveling.
Dojo Loot Room
Don't agree with 40 point design choice for top tiers
Double animations/sounds when destroying breakables.
Dragonmark, confusing
Dwarf Racial Core Enhancements - multiple problems
Dwarf Racial Core Enhancements not WAI
Dwarf Racial Enhancements: Axe Training has inconsistent values for two-hand axe damage bonuses
Dwarf Racial Enhancements: unable to purchase second Dwarven Toughness enhancement
dwarven iron stomach enhancement
Dwarven Runes does not grant Spell Resistance
Dwarven tier 0 line bugged.
dwarven toughness
Elaborate parry
Elemental arrows
Elf Arcane Archer Imbues Do Not Work
Elf Arcane Archer Temporary Spellpoint Enhancements Non-functioning
elven AA stances
Elven arcane archer passive enhancements, including toggle stances, do not work
Elven enhancement "Nothing is Hidden" continually finds the same things
Energy of the Zealot enhancement missing
ENHANCEMENT ALPHA
Enhancement Alpha issues
Enhancement count off
Enhancement Design Flaw
Enhancement icon not disappearing when changing enhancements in two batches
Enhancement Pass Suggestion
Enhancement Preview AP spent
Enhancement trainer allows you to overspend points
Enhancement UI
Enhancement window only has 'cancel' as exit option
Enhancements
Enhancements for Human show 0 spent
Enhancements UI Frame: no dedicated close button, no dedicated quick-clear button
enhancements with throwing weapon
Enhancemts (new) - restrictiveness
enhancment pass
Enhancment selection panel does not disable mouse look,
Evasive Dance
Exalted Anger Destiny shows lots of DNT messages
Exorcist of the Silver Flame enhancements missing
Extra Action Boost enhancements missing from fighter trees
Favored Enemy Damage enhancements essentially removed
Fighter - Kensei tier 2 ability: Agility not working
Free action points icon in game does not reflect spent points
Frigid arrows lethargy
Fully leveled dispelling shot only dispels one buff on enemies
Funky Values on the Enhancement Display.
Game Crashes
Game hangs when trying to create new character
Games says I have AP's available, when I've spent them all.
general issue with trees for cleric & arti
Half-Elf Cloak
Halfling Racial Thrower Enhancements are not applied
hard to understand that there is a third tree available
Haste boost missing from Kensei tree
Heal skill is cross-class
Healing Domain - Divine Healing
HUMAN - T2 - Fighting Styles
Human enhancement greater dragonmark of passage does not work
human racial enhancements prerequisites out of order
Human Racial Enhancements: (Greater) Heroism are unusable after log out
I spend 81 action points
Icons bars not keeping position
I'm on a boat! A flying boat!
Improved Archers Focus
Improved Archer's Focus
Improved Elemental damage: Lethargy
Improved Recovery costs doubled
Improved Shield Bash: limitation of 1 proc per second is a silly throttle
Inconsistent naming in Fighter Enhancements
Infused Weapons does not work with throwing weapons
kensai centeredness
Kensai Ranged Attacks Do Not Work With shuriken
Kensai: Battle Meditation weapon buff does not show up in character buff list
Kensai: One Cut shares cooldown with Attack Boost & Deadly Strike
Kensai: One Cut's weapon buff shows String Error on weapon
Kensai: Reed in the Wind enhancement does not grant dodge bonus
Kensai: Weapon Meditation ability has no progress timer, and cannot be interrupted
Kensei Ranged Strikes Do Nothing
Kensei Tree Missing Fighter Strategy Stunning Blow, Trip and Sunder IV
Lamannia claims my account is free instead of premium
Lammania Enhancement Preview
Lesser Reincarnation
Let me spend too many AP!
Lethargy from AA Frost Arrows
Many of the enhancement tooltips/popups missing content
Master of Imbuement
Master of Imbuement doesnt work
Missing Cleric Enhancements
Missing cleric spells
Monk form feats
Moonbow enhancement not working
More info on enhancements available AP display
Moving while Meditating
Multiclassing with new enhancements
Named Armor Firbreak Has Lost Some Detail
New bug reporting tool - 1 issue and a suggestion and a question
New Class Enhancements are locked in
New Enhancement Displays do not show available AP
New Enhancement Pass
New enhancement system can't count available action points during "normal play".
New enhancements and stacking issues
New Enhancements Reset Every Login
New Greater Dragonmark of Sentinal Dragonmark Enhancements do not trigger Chimera's Ferocity
New Human enhancement "Action Surge" dosn't work with "Action Boost Unmovable" and "Action Boost Thick Skinned" from LD destienie
New ranger enhancements on Lamannia
New skills form a stat tax
New Tempest Enhancements
Not able to pick epic destiny
Not gaining dwarvan axe proficiency from kensi exotic mastery
Opening enhancement window doesn't free cursor from mouselook mode.
Pacifism huge penalty wrong for the tiny bonus it gives
Pacifism icon
Pando Media Booster will not connect to download lammania client
Physical Resistance Rating
Points Spent In Tree fundamentally unworkable
Postive Energy Aura activates Radiant Servant
Postive Energy Aura AP cost has doubled
Prayer as a SLA for clerics? Really?
QUEST will not advance
race enhancements
race enhancements
Race Required Half Elf unable to Bypass on a Half Elf
Race Restricted
Race Restricted
Racial requirement+AP costs are too high
Ranger AA Capstone not giving stated benefits
Ranger Enhancement Dance of Death broken
Ranger Enhancement Tree's wont' Appear
Ranger Icons not appearing when activated
Rangers missing Devotion enhancements
Reconstruct making Artificer armor of speed not working
Reed in the wind
reed in the wind
Reed in the Wind not applying Dodge bonus + cooldown gripe.
Resetting enhancement tree removes enhancements from toolbars
Sanctuary spell point cost - 77 SP? Really?
Sanctuary spell point cost is wrong
Shard Exchange not present on Main Menu
Shattermantle Shot
Shock Arrows imbue stays active through death/release
short duration timers suck - dont implement them
Slaying Arrows
Smiting enhancements missing
Some Arti enhancement issues
Sometimes Cannot Allocate AP Due to Wonky Panel Highlighting
Sorc
Sound and graphics double-triggering
Spell effect near useless
Spell Penetration enhancements missing
Spell Penetration missing
Sprint boost not working
Stalwart Defender: unable to select Ability: Strength
Stalwart enhancement costs
Stand Like Stone does not work very well
stuck on the vet status Airship
Suggestions
Tempest T5 - Dance of Death NON-upgradable
Tempest T5 - Elaborate Parry
tempest tree
Tempest Tree: Elaborate Parry
Tempest: Sprint Boost no worky
Test Dojo gone
The Growing Storm
There is no Feat, Skill Focus : Spell Crafting
There is no Skill Focus: Spellcraft
Tier 4 Elf enhancement Grace says "to hit" when it means "damage"
Too easy to drop out of stalwart defensive stance
Toughness enh. cost too much
Traditionalist Caster on the human race enhancements says there is only 1 rank while the icon says that there are 3
Transparency problem with the new Enhancement UI
Tree Text Overlay
Twists of fate not being enable.
UI Issue
Unlimited AP
Virtually impossible to create a playable cleric with racial AA.
Wand & scroll Master - Cleric
Warpriest enhancements missing
Weapon meditation
Weapon Meditation allows movement. . .
whirling blades
whirling blades in the tempest tree
You must select 1 more spell from an empty spell list

to give you an idea on how our internal bugs look:

DDO: U18: Enhancements: Sorcerer: Spell-Like Abilites do not show spell descriptions in tooltips.
In the first column of all the Sorcerer's Enhancement Trees, Spell-Like Abilities do not contain their corresponding spell descriptions. Even when obtained and dragged onto the hotbar, these Spell-Like Abilities only state that they are Spell-Like Abilites.

This doesn't allow the player to see any information on these Spell-like Abilities. If not familiar with these abilities, they end up making blind choices, not knowing how the Ability functions until activated.


Abilities include:

Burning Hands
Scorch
Fireball
Acid Spray
Acid Arrow
Acid Blast
Shocking Grasp
Electric Loop
Lightning Bolt
Cold Ray
Snowball Swarm
Frost Lance

Steps to reproduce
. Log onto a Sorcerer.
2. Open the Enhancements Panel (H-key)
3. Hover over any Spell-like ability available in the first column of any Savant Enhancement Trees.
4. Note that they don't contain actual details about their corresponding spells.
5. Invest into any of these Spell-like abilities, and Accept your Enhancement Changes.
6. Open the Character Sheet (C-key), and drag the selected Spell-Like Ability from the "Enhancements" Tab onto a hot bar.
7. Note that even sitting on a hot bar, this ability doesn't state any Spell information on the Tooltip.

Expected: Sorcerer Spell-like ability enhancements will contain spell details in their tooltips.

Actual: Sorcerer Spell-like ability enhancements do not contain spell details in their tooltips.

Daemoneyes
04-15-2013, 09:11 AM
Never thought you dont get them.
Its more that we
1) do not see any changes to Known Issues List (rename it or update)
2) big junk of em still make it Live
3) there are galores of bugs still left from years ago and even more from MotU

btw
will SLA finally be softarget able? (hardtarget make most of em useless)
could we get more useful SLA?
Acid Spray / Shocking Grasp are really lame and Melf doesnt scale well for a Spell to be chosen as SLA

btolson
04-15-2013, 09:13 AM
Gazebo is grumpy.


What has been his favorite word, thus far, to express his grumpiness?

Flavilandile
04-15-2013, 09:17 AM
Yeah, I saw at least 4 that are mine :D

Edit : oh and I need to write the Wall of Text - Part Deux

Produktion_Malphunktion
04-15-2013, 09:29 AM
What has been his favorite word, thus far, to express his grumpiness?


I'm not allowed to post that. :)

knockcocker
04-15-2013, 09:33 AM
Gazebo is grumpy....

I'd like to say thanks for doing this. It certainly gives me a little bit more
confidence that logging bugs may be something other than a redirect to /dev/null.

Do I need to relog:

"You are not facing XXX"
"Caster level/Max caster level madness..."
?

Cheers,

Flavilandile
04-15-2013, 09:36 AM
I'd like to say thanks for doing this. It certainly gives me a little bit more
confidence that logging bugs may be something other than a redirect to /dev/null.

Do I need to relog:

"You are not facing XXX"
"Caster level/Max caster level madness..."
?

Cheers,

I'd say that if it's present in L-Space it's fair game to relog it through the new system.
But, that's just my support instinct at work. ( it's easier to work with only one 'new' system than to keep the new and the old working in parallel, and transfers from the old to the new are not always good ( or even possible ) )

CaptainSpacePony
04-15-2013, 09:44 AM
What has been his favorite word, thus far, to express his grumpiness?

I bet it's "MukLuks!"

Or, alternatively "Mukker Lukker!"

SableShadow
04-15-2013, 09:52 AM
I'm not allowed to post that. :)

I bet it was *************.
Or maybe ******** ****************** ******* *************!
Or something along the lines of ********** ****************** ******* **** **** **** ******?!?!?!?

Am I close?

Stanley_Nicholas
04-15-2013, 09:59 AM
Just think how much grumpier he would have been if all of us who can't connect to Lamannia (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=414878) weren't having that issue.

smatt
04-15-2013, 10:05 AM
Hey at least Gazebo has job security :D

ArcaneArcher52689
04-15-2013, 10:30 AM
Thanks a lot for that example of one of your internal examples. I've always had trouble trying to expand upon things like that. As soon as I get to my laptop, I am saving that example, and will use it from now on whenever I report bugs...

I may also need to set aside a couple hours each week just for bug reporting for he next few weeks

FZTopaz
04-15-2013, 11:25 AM
Huge win to whoever submited "I'm on a boat" as a bug....lol

chanw4
04-15-2013, 11:26 AM
Huge win to whoever submited "I'm on a boat" as a bug....lol

I notice that from the list too, its kinda funny

Qhualor
04-15-2013, 11:52 AM
A complete list in alphabetical order \o/

This should keep people quiet for about a week :D

Archangel666
04-15-2013, 11:58 AM
Thanks Maj.

One thing though.

If, when the Enhancements go Live these bugs are not fixed this list will bite you in the arse.

You do know that, right?

It's not enough to say, "Yeah, we know about that bug", you need to actually fix them.

Otherwise the impression the Player-base gets is "Yeah, they know, they just don't care".

Missing_Minds
04-15-2013, 12:05 PM
We could make Gazebo more grumpy if..

1. The lama client actually downloaded.
2. The lama client actually connected.

What information from us do you need to track down this issue so you can actually have a worth while Alpha with first hand experience vs. half baked with a lot of conjecture.

Jay203
04-15-2013, 12:21 PM
i like how no warforged stuff is on there >_>


ps. seems like you guys accept comments and suggestion via bug too then huh :)

Sonos
04-15-2013, 12:34 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and have you fix all of those things by this evening. Um Yeeeeaaaahh, I'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday... Ah, ah, I almost forgot...I'm also going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too. We, uhhh, lost some people this week and we sorta need to play catch-up. Mmmmmkay? Thaaaaaanks. I'm going to need those TPS reports.......ASAP.....

:D

#Long@$$Lists #Jeebuz #movietrivia

Archangel666
04-15-2013, 12:41 PM
ps. seems like you guys accept comments and suggestion via bug too then huh :)

When it's Live? Probably not.

For now I suspect they're trying to stress test it.

By letting us use it for anything and everything they can increase the inflow of information and see if it can handle it.

Flavilandile
04-15-2013, 12:57 PM
I'm also going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too.

Been there, done that, still cherish the pay detail sheet where there's the An Hour Count For Three and Half line. ( in other terms : Overtime hour, beyond the 58th hours of the week, On a Sunday, Night Hour. )

That was 17 years ago IIRC... Nowadays my boss would tell me to go home long before that... ( We get a slap on the hand from HR if we are naughty enough to work more than 42 hours in a week or 10 hours in a day, and when we get a slap on the hand, our boss gets one too. )

Charononus
04-15-2013, 01:08 PM
Sorry maj we'll try harder and get him committed yet.

Sonos
04-15-2013, 01:09 PM
Been there, done that, still cherish the pay detail sheet where there's the An Hour Count For Three and Half line. ( in other terms : Overtime hour, beyond the 58th hours of the week, On a Sunday, Night Hour. )

That was 17 years ago IIRC... Nowadays my boss would tell me to go home long before that... ( We get a slap on the hand from HR if we are naughty enough to work more than 42 hours in a week or 10 hours in a day, and when we get a slap on the hand, our boss gets one too. )

At one job I pulled a few 60-70 hrs. a week. At the time, 1.5 was paid for over 8 hours in one day, 2x after 12 hours. I once netted $1000 in one week after Uncle Sam sod..er rap... er had his way with muh check ($700), and I bought a 1967 Gibson SG. But those were the halcyon days of tech money rolling in. I can't get overtime even when I need it now.

Tyrande
04-15-2013, 01:16 PM
Gazebo is grumpy.

I can think of why Gazebo is grumpy; may be he needs a buff? i.e. Speed Armor? Deadly Weapons? :)

Ah, I see the 6 issues I filed in there.
In all seriousness, it would be helpful to break up the list into Categories, class, etc. so that related bugs can be classified.



DDO: U18: Enhancements: Sorcerer: Spell-Like Abilites do not show spell descriptions in tooltips.

May be the bug tool should be updated with common bug templates? i.e.:
<Game>: <Release>: <Category>: <Class>: <Description>

<Detail Description>

<Examples of Problems>

<Steps to reproduce>

<Expected behavior>

<Actual behavior>

<Reproduced via scripts or automation?>
<Script name, test character, etc.>

jakeelala
04-15-2013, 01:39 PM
I'm not allowed to post that. :)

Yup,

This happens in most software development projects when your actual coders are lazy or too fragmented.

QA ends up doing 90% of the work to update, improve or expand software initiatives.

I feel you pain.

fyrst.grok
04-15-2013, 02:03 PM
Nice post Maj and love the boat reference :D

Very sad to not see any warforged related stuff on the list though. Only thing I spotted was toughness cost too much ap, but most of the thread on the subject is about the racial tree being off thematically and rather useless.

Ape_Man
04-15-2013, 02:12 PM
When will we see some changes implemented?

HatsuharuZ
04-15-2013, 09:47 PM
Huh, so I guess the House J metal armor-wearing druid bug never made it in? Too bad...

Produktion_Malphunktion
04-16-2013, 07:53 AM
Thanks Maj.

One thing though.

If, when the Enhancements go Live these bugs are not fixed this list will bite you in the arse.

You do know that, right?

It's not enough to say, "Yeah, we know about that bug", you need to actually fix them.

Otherwise the impression the Player-base gets is "Yeah, they know, they just don't care".

First I don't need to fix anything. I'm QA, I just point at the burning building and tell them they should put the fire out. Also, It's just a reality that not every bug gets fixed. As of biting me...I'm made of Admantium. 3 years of DDO makes you pretty immune to the barbs torches and pitchforks.



Ah, I see the 6 issues I filed in there.
In all seriousness, it would be helpful to break up the list into Categories, class, etc. so that related bugs can be classified.
If you just add to your subject line of the bug Barbarian Elf or whatever, that makes it super easy for us to put into categories quickly on our end.

Lerincho
04-16-2013, 08:00 AM
Mal,

Since you are the one that points out "FIRE" can you have the people fix the issue preventing people from logging into Lamannia. It will get you more people bug reporting.

Flavilandile
04-16-2013, 08:04 AM
If you just add to your subject line of the bug Barbarian Elf or whatever, that makes it super easy for us to put into categories quickly on our end.

So tagging like that
[Cleric Enhancement Alpha] Wall of Text - Comments - Part 1 makes you happy for sorting bugs ?

Hendrik
04-16-2013, 08:22 AM
If you just add to your subject line of the bug Barbarian Elf or whatever, that makes it super easy for us to put into categories quickly on our end.

Thank you for the tip! These kind of tips helps us help you.

Thank you.

:)

bhgiant
04-16-2013, 08:36 AM
If you just add to your subject line of the bug Barbarian Elf or whatever, that makes it super easy for us to put into categories quickly on our end.
Ah, good to know. Will do, thanks.

Tyrande
04-16-2013, 08:43 AM
[...]
If you just add to your subject line of the bug Barbarian Elf or whatever, that makes it super easy for us to put into categories quickly on our end.

Barbarian Elf? I don't think there is anyone on the live servers that have capped characters with Elf and Barbarian... They simply do not mix. Elves are graceful and intelligent. Unlike barbarians...

However, if I do find an issue with intelligent barbarian bugs, I'll let you know. ;)

Archangel666
04-16-2013, 08:50 AM
First I don't need to fix anything. I'm QA, I just point at the burning building and tell them they should put the fire out. Also, It's just a reality that not every bug gets fixed. As of biting me...I'm made of Admantium. 3 years of DDO makes you pretty immune to the barbs torches and pitchforks.


Believe it or not Maj, I do appreciate the response from you and after reading through what I posted, I realized that I wrote it wrong.

When I said it's going to bite you etc, I meant Turbine rather than "you" personally.

For what it's worth I tend to see you as one of the guys that cares about the game. Though, if I'm honest while I can accept that your stance of "the game will never be bug free" as being likely true, sometimes it kinda feels like you (Turbine again, not you personally) have kinda given up trying. That's a personal impression, rather than a statement of fact though.

Every now and again I'll be playing through the game and after a few hours it will suddenly hit me just how many work-arounds I've been using to mitigate bugs. It can be small things like having to take a running jump onto ladders, or waiting a minute or so if the bank lags when withdrawing something so it doesn't get eaten or many others.

Individually they may not seem like much, but when you stumble across them, day after day for over a year or more it can get to you a bit.

Tyrande
04-16-2013, 08:59 AM
First I don't need to fix anything. I'm QA, I just point at the burning building and tell them they should put the fire out. Also, It's just a reality that not every bug gets fixed. As of biting me...I'm made of Admantium. 3 years of DDO makes you pretty immune to the barbs torches and pitchforks.


In a restaurant, someone cooks, someone cleans up the dishes and someone serves the dishes. It doesn't matter who did what as long as the food is bad, the people who is eating the food will complain. It ends up asking the management for a discount coupon. I know a restaurant that is doing this: Not Your Average Joe's. We were eating there and the store manager came out to us taking an electronic survey on a handheld. I told him that the appetizer was a little too much salt on it and when the bill came, the cost of the appetizer was taken out of the total bill. I saw that as a good gesture and good will... For us, we will definitely be visiting "Not Your Average Joe's" again.

So, as far as games, if the game tastes bad, it will ripple in the customer's mouth. It doesn't matter if the cook screwed up; or the dish serving the food was not cleaned previously; or the server actually spits in the food(I know some waiters do this because the customer was there before and did not tip).

Charononus
04-16-2013, 09:09 AM
First I don't need to fix anything. I'm QA, I just point at the burning building and tell them they should put the fire out. Also, It's just a reality that not every bug gets fixed. As of biting me...I'm made of Admantium. 3 years of DDO makes you pretty immune to the barbs torches and pitchforks.


Bug reporting tool is fixed, so the firehouse is no longer burning, time to work on the rest of the city.

karl_k0ch
04-16-2013, 09:27 AM
If you just add to your subject line of the bug Barbarian Elf or whatever, that makes it super easy for us to put into categories quickly on our end.

Is there anything we can (should?) do to make the bugs more processable to you?

Kalari
04-16-2013, 09:39 AM
Barbarian Elf? I don't think there is anyone on the live servers that have capped characters with Elf and Barbarian... They simply do not mix. Elves are graceful and intelligent. Unlike barbarians...

However, if I do find an issue with intelligent barbarian bugs, I'll let you know. ;)

I will have a capped Elven barb soon lol MajorMal is pretty darn awesome I knew someone knew of my plans for elven domination!

Seriously trying to get more downtime between work to seriously bug report stuff to its good you guys are listening but im still a bit skeptical of somethings.

Alundaar
04-16-2013, 10:46 AM
Barbarian Elf? I don't think there is anyone on the live servers that have capped characters with Elf and Barbarian... They simply do not mix. Elves are graceful and intelligent. Unlike barbarians...

However, if I do find an issue with intelligent barbarian bugs, I'll let you know. ;)

His name is theka

Seikojin
04-16-2013, 11:00 AM
Here you guys go, a template to use:

Subject line:
Categgory of bug_Area of bug_specific area (if needed)_Short description

Example:
Enhancements_Dwarf racial_Dwarven toughness 3_the described bonus does not apply

Body:
Setup steps: Just put your condition before producing the bug. This may be covered by the earlier fields in the bug, so Maj; do those fields help with searches?

Repro steps: Pretty obvious here. Most of these are straight forward, so it would be like buy this enhancement. But when dealing with some people, I have had bugs bounced back to me asking for repro steps for something that didn't seem like it needed it. So now it just seems best to always include them. Even if they are innane.

Expected result: What you thought it should do, or is written to do.

Actual result: What it did or didn't do.

Notes: Any special info to help make the bug happen, screenshots included, etc.

Sonos
04-16-2013, 11:06 AM
His name is theka

One of the best Barbarian Elfs I've ever seen.

PS Die Theka! <3 :D

toaf
04-16-2013, 01:12 PM
well i hope you people will stop thinking of stuff to do to the game while in a that 70's show smoke circle. it is clear that that is what happened/ no clue how such a mess could not have been forseen.. . . .

HalfORCastrator
04-16-2013, 05:44 PM
As of biting me...I'm made of Admantium. 3 years of DDO makes you pretty immune to the barbs torches and pitchforks.
So you think barbs are a problem? That would explain being the worst class for self sufficiency. :( :p

smatt
04-16-2013, 05:48 PM
If only Gazebo woldl fix the motherfricken chat window problems on live.......

For a game that relies on COMMUNICATION.. You would think they could at least have a fricken working fully functional chat window..... It's been months.....

OK so with that off my chest, Gazebo is the only one grumpy... :D

Deadlock
04-16-2013, 07:18 PM
Barbarian Elf? I don't think there is anyone on the live servers that have capped characters with Elf and Barbarian... They simply do not mix. Elves are graceful and intelligent. Unlike barbarians...

However, if I do find an issue with intelligent barbarian bugs, I'll let you know. ;)

Life 30 for me was half-elf barbarian if that counts :)



Life Main Class Actual Build Build Description
30 Barbarian 20 Barbarian Half-Elf Cleric Dilettante Self-Healing Barbarian

Deadlock
04-16-2013, 07:25 PM
So you think barbs are a problem? That would explain being the worst class for self sufficiency. :( :p

Can't say I'd agree with this :)



Life Main Class Actual Build Build Description Self-Healing
6 Barbarian 2 Rogue / 6 Fighter / 12 Barbarian Halfling Dragonmarked, UMD Healing Trapper Defender Barbarian Halfling Dragonmark + UMD
30 Barbarian 20 Barbarian Half-Elf Cleric Dilettante Self-Healing Barbarian Cleric Dilettante
31 Barbarian 2 Rogue / 6 Ranger / 12 Barbarian Half-Orc UMD Healing Trapper Bowbarian UMD + Ranger


Let's see what the new enhancements have to offer :)

Sonos
04-16-2013, 07:28 PM
Life 30 for me was half-elf barbarian if that counts :)



Life Main Class Actual Build Build Description
30 Barbarian 20 Barbarian Half-Elf Cleric Dilettante Self-Healing Barbarian


half-elf cleric dilettante barbarian is miles away from an elf Barbarian :DDD

I played a halfling barb for a bit(she's a bank barb class now), but she was so cute when she raged. Her name is Kittenpunch

Thar
04-16-2013, 10:17 PM
Can i bug that Cormyrian ing are still BTC when we were promised that they would go BTA? :)

Phemt81
04-16-2013, 10:51 PM
ENHANCEMENT ALPHA

lol


to give you an idea on how our internal bugs look:

DDO: U18: Enhancements: Sorcerer: Spell-Like Abilites do not show spell descriptions in tooltips.
In the first column of all the Sorcerer's Enhancement Trees, Spell-Like Abilities do not contain their corresponding spell descriptions. Even when obtained and dragged onto the hotbar, these Spell-Like Abilities only state that they are Spell-Like Abilites.

This doesn't allow the player to see any information on these Spell-like Abilities. If not familiar with these abilities, they end up making blind choices, not knowing how the Ability functions until activated.

Looks like one of my bug report. :)


Steps to reproduce
1. Log onto a Sorcerer.
2. Open the Enhancements Panel (H-key)
3. Hover over any Spell-like ability available in the first column of any Savant Enhancement Trees.
4. Note that they don't contain actual details about their corresponding spells.
5. Invest into any of these Spell-like abilities, and Accept your Enhancement Changes.
6. Open the Character Sheet (C-key), and drag the selected Spell-Like Ability from the "Enhancements" Tab onto a hot bar.
7. Note that even sitting on a hot bar, this ability doesn't state any Spell information on the Tooltip.

Expected: Sorcerer Spell-like ability enhancements will contain spell details in their tooltips.

Actual: Sorcerer Spell-like ability enhancements do not contain spell details in their tooltips.

Log onto a sorcerer? No, this doesn't look anymore like one of my bug reports... should we care to explain details like assuming you never play... no, you never seen DDO in action? Seriously?

Cause you might never see 60% of the bugs if the people who care enough to report should lose all the time needed to explain the obvious.

Feel free to enlighten me if you think i am missing anything.

HatsuharuZ
04-16-2013, 11:11 PM
Can i bug that Cormyrian ing are still BTC when we were promised that they would go BTA? :)

When was this promised? o.O

Rian
04-16-2013, 11:44 PM
Barbarian Elf? I don't think there is anyone on the live servers that have capped characters with Elf and Barbarian... They simply do not mix. Elves are graceful and intelligent. Unlike barbarians...

However, if I do find an issue with intelligent barbarian bugs, I'll let you know. ;)

When Wounding of Puncturing still killed mobs that hit 0 con we had Elven Barbarians.

They were called Jellybeans. Of course, we also had improved critical rages then too.

nibel
04-16-2013, 11:55 PM
Log onto a sorcerer? No, this doesn't look anymore like one of my bug reports... should we care to explain details like assuming you never play... no, you never seen DDO in action? Seriously?

Cause you might never see 60% of the bugs if the people who care enough to report should lose all the time needed to explain the obvious.

Feel free to enlighten me if you think i am missing anything.

Personally, since Tolero made a post on myddo talking about bugs reports, I try to add the "Expected" and "Actual" line on my bug reports. It is much easier for them to find out if your bug is legitim or not if you tell them what YOU think should be happening.

About the "log onto a sorcerer", I think is because this bug is not a general one, but one that only affects one class. So, yeah, "log into that class" is a required step.

Other minor bugs that are not dependent on class and race (like the visual bug in Monastery), I believe they can be more lenient on this, but not on other steps (like saying "enter the quest Monastery of the Scorpion").

smatt
04-17-2013, 12:09 AM
When Wounding of Puncturing still killed mobs that hit 0 con we had Elven Barbarians.

They were called Jellybeans. Of course, we also had improved critical rages then too.

LOL dual wop rapier wielding Imp crit raged barbs was one of the stupiest thigns ever in this game. It was comparable to a good number of the ED's now... Too powerful into the realm of really stupid game design.. But at least wop rapiers were reasonably hard to get....

Produktion_Malphunktion
04-17-2013, 07:46 AM
Cause you might never see 60% of the bugs if the people who care enough to report should lose all the time needed to explain the obvious.

Feel free to enlighten me if you think i am missing anything.

Enlightenment will not happen easily on a forum. It takes a lifetime of meditation and being conscious of the universe. Although some think you can only find enlightenment through suffering, which I guess you can get from the forums, it is not really true. Obviously there's no step-by-step "How to" that points to the correct path for everyone, all of the time. External events aren't as important as how you react to them.
I suppose there is an argument that you could become a Zen master of posting if you wanted to.

Anyway...

We don't expect the players to enter all that...it was just an example of an internal bug.
Now comes the tear down.
Your reaction is just like every new person that comes into QA. Assumptions can NEVER be made. You cannot assume that the developer knows how to do x, y, z or if they will immediately know what class goes with which ability or whatever. There is a ton of stuff in the game. So, if being a bit verbose in descriptors and steps speeds stuff up on the developer end, then so be it.
Also, you would be shocked at how often a dev cannot replicate a bug because of one missing step, something that QA sees as obvious to do, is not done by the dev when he attempts to replicate. Every little step may be where something breaks, so every little step needs to be documented. Again, more verbose and exacting steps cures this issue. Data is good. Tons of data is better. Data with screenshots, videos and a tutorial is best.


Here is a bad bug:
Title: "Blah looks like poo"
Description: "maybe we should make it look awesome" (had a screenshot)
yes, these happen. Not on my team, but I have seen almost this exact bug.


Good Bug:
Lamannia - Cannot report bugs in game, "Report a Bug" option in leads to the forums

When attempting to report a bug on Lamannia, players are being sent to a forum login page. Once players have logged in, it brings them right to the forums and does not allow them to actually report a bug.


1. log into Lamannia
2. Press escape to open the menu
3. press Help
4. on the bottom right of the help window, press "Report a Bug"
5. Log into the forums
6. Observe results


Expected
Players would be able to report a bug in-game

Observed
Players are require to log into the forums and then are not able to report a bug

Flavilandile
04-17-2013, 07:55 AM
I have two more in the pipeline ( I can't write them right now, the screenies are on my home computer, not at work ).

As they are linked to Lesser Reincarnation, should I describe all the step that leads to a Lesser Reincarnation, back up to LVL 25 ? :D *Evil Grin*

Charononus
04-17-2013, 07:56 AM
I have two more in the pipeline ( I can't write them right now, the screenies are on my home computer, not at work ).

As they are linked to Lesser Reincarnation, should I describe all the step that leads to a Lesser Reincarnation, back up to LVL 25 ? :D *Evil Grin*

Will it make gazebo cry?

I don't know why I'm facinated with making a dev cry but if it happens I want Maj to post pictures.

Flavilandile
04-17-2013, 08:07 AM
Will it make gazebo cry?

I don't think it will, as it's just two long tickets to write.

What I'm sure will make him cringe and eventually is a huge influx of tickets.
But if we look at the list written over the week end, that's not a huge influx... ( at least in my semi-educated opinion )

I have more tickets rotting in my worklist than what MajMal posted ( ok, it's not the same kind of tickets, nor the same kind of problem... backbone router crashes, hardware, software, Fiber to the Home, and all the 'Internet stuff' ), and some of them are 6 months old.

Phemt81
04-17-2013, 08:11 AM
Enlightenment will not happen easily on a forum. It takes a lifetime of meditation and being conscious of the universe.

Good! I just got level 20 on my monk life...


Although some think you can only find enlightenment through suffering, which I guess you can get from the forums, it is not really true.

Rofl, i know that too :D


We don't expect the players to enter all that...it was just an example of an internal bug.

This is what i was asking. You just enlighted me.


Assumptions can NEVER be made. So, if being a bit verbose in descriptors and steps speeds stuff up on the developer end, then so be it.
Data is good. Tons of data is better. Data with screenshots, videos and a tutorial is best.

I do agree. Thanks for the doubt killer reply. :)

On the other hand, if i submit "Sorcerer ehnancements bugged" i expect, at least, the bug checker knows he gotta log into a toon with sorc levels. Just that, not much, but i expect something from people who should correct errors.

Of course, if the bug occurs only with pure sorcerers, i'd specify that, but if not, i can't imagine you'd want to check sorcerer enhancement on a toon without sorc levels to be honest.

Hope this makes sense for you.

AlmGhandi
04-17-2013, 08:19 AM
Enlightenment will not happen easily on a forum. It takes a lifetime of meditation and being conscious of the universe. Although some think you can only find enlightenment through suffering, which I guess you can get from the forums, it is not really true.

So turning on the lamp doesn't work?


Explains a lot.

When I was a Student I had a Job testing, reporting bugs etc. I got disheartened about how even the most elementary bugs were ignored and kept reappearing in Versions one after another.
I spoke to a Software developer about it. He said something like:
My Job is the way the Computer pronounces the words. It is someone else's Job to see that the Navigation Software has the correct zipcode for the address.

And so it went on.

bhgiant
04-17-2013, 09:55 AM
Assumptions can NEVER be made. You cannot assume that the developer knows how to do x, y, z or if they will immediately know what class goes with which ability or whatever.
Also, you would be shocked at how often a dev cannot replicate a bug because of one missing step, something that QA sees as obvious to do, is not done by the dev when he attempts to replicate.
Agreed. It's the reason why a box of Pop Tarts has instructions and the first step is, I kid you not, remove pastry from pouch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8kThoZpF_U)

Missing_Minds
04-17-2013, 10:14 AM
Agreed. It's the reason why a box of Pop Tarts has instructions and the first step is, I kid you not, remove pastry from pouch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8kThoZpF_U)

http://www.rinkworks.com/said/warnings.shtml

SableShadow
04-17-2013, 10:16 AM
Agreed. It's the reason why a box of Pop Tarts has instructions and the first step is, I kid you not, remove pastry from pouch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8kThoZpF_U)

My takeaway from today's posts is "Turbine developers need to be told to take the poptart out of the pouch." :D:cool::);):D
Zing!

Over to you!

Truga
04-17-2013, 10:17 AM
will SLA finally be softarget able? (hardtarget make most of em useless)

This this this this this

Sgt_Hart
04-17-2013, 10:30 AM
Here is a bad bug:
Title: "Blah looks like poo"
Description: "maybe we should make it look awesome" (had a screenshot)
yes, these happen. Not on my team, but I have seen almost this exact bug.


Good Bug:
Lamannia - Cannot report bugs in game, "Report a Bug" option in leads to the forums

When attempting to report a bug on Lamannia, players are being sent to a forum login page. Once players have logged in, it brings them right to the forums and does not allow them to actually report a bug.


1. log into Lamannia
2. Press escape to open the menu
3. press Help
4. on the bottom right of the help window, press "Report a Bug"
5. Log into the forums
6. Observe results


Expected
Players would be able to report a bug in-game

Observed
Players are require to log into the forums and then are not able to report a bug



That Maj, just reminded me of one of my favorite guides (http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro) Ever..

In particular.. "Be Specific (http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html#bespecific)"

Sonos
04-17-2013, 10:59 AM
Agreed. It's the reason why a box of Pop Tarts has instructions and the first step is, I kid you not, remove pastry from pouch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8kThoZpF_U)

Brian Regan is hilarious. One of my favorites.

EllisDee37
04-17-2013, 12:46 PM
will SLA finally be softarget able? (hardtarget make most of em useless)could we get more useful SLA?
Acid Spray / Shocking Grasp are really lame and Melf doesnt scale well for a Spell to be chosen as SLAArchmage SLAs aren't soft-targetable? Pale Master SLAs are.

Seikojin
04-17-2013, 03:17 PM
Archmage SLAs aren't soft-targetable? Pale Master SLAs are.

Archmage was my last life and I didn't remember many problems with soft targetting with SLA's, but I do know soft targetting is picky in general.

Video or it doesn't happen :D

Jay203
04-17-2013, 08:00 PM
pssst
maj
secretly record gazebo's frustration and put it on the DDO youtube page :p