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r0mz0mb1e
02-09-2013, 10:47 AM
Base for caster is d4 per level, so 14-56, +1/2 Con above 10, +17 for Toughness, +20 for Racial Toughness? Round it off, and it should clock in around 100 or so. As a L14 Drow Sorcerer that seems respectable to me, especially backed by Stoneskin, Protection from Elements, Greater Heroism and False Life.

But damn, how the hell are you people getting caster HP in the 300 range at level 14 or so? I got kicked from a group for coming in at at "only" 100 last night. Looking at DDOWiki's page on Hit Points (http://ddowiki.com/page/Hit_points) nothing really sticks out as giving an extra 200, so what the heck am I doing wrong?

Limey
02-09-2013, 10:51 AM
100 hps is very low for that level

For source of HPs, see this post http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=398582 (ignore any replies that dont agree with me;)

Therrias
02-09-2013, 10:55 AM
It's mostly gear.

Greensteel = 45
Greater false life = 30
Toughness enchantment = 20
+6 Con item = +3 per level

That's 137 more hp that most serious players don't remember what it is like not to have.

twigzz
02-09-2013, 10:57 AM
Some points into Con at creation is always good too. ;)

dredre9987
02-09-2013, 11:00 AM
example 22 con at level 20 gives you 6*20 hp for a total of 120 hp. ((22-10)/2)*20

As a caster you should be able to have 18 con at start or say at least 14 points. at lvl 14 and a +6 con item that would be minimum 20 con...+5 modifier 5*14=70 OR ((20-10)/2)*14=70

So from con alone minimum you should have is 70. + 56 from base, 16 from toughness, 20 from enhancements = 162...Greater false life for 30 more brings you to 192. Another 20 from a toughness item and your at 212. Free feat at lvl 1 of 20 brings you to 232. Though your con should be more like 24 and getting 98 from con.

Lonnbeimnech
02-09-2013, 11:04 AM
Its not actually d4 per level its 4, you always get the max.

you get 20 as afree feat at level 1

Theres only 2 stats that matter on a sorc, cha and con, so you should have started with 16 con. you can get a +6 con item at level 11, rage and ship buffs you should be at 26 con. so thats +8 per level.

minos legens is another +20

greater false life is another +30 if you can find a place to put it.

that's 238, plus racial toughness enhancements and the toughness feat thats 274

if you were a second life toon with a greensteel hp item thats another 45 so 319 on a drow at level 14

SemiraLynn
02-09-2013, 11:13 AM
At level 14 most pugs will expect the following HPs on a first life Sorcerer:

+20 (Automatically Granted at Level 1, forget the name "Heroic" something)
+56 Sorcerer Levels
+30 Greater False Life
+42 +6 Constitution Item
+28 (If Base Con was 14)
+17 Toughness Feat
+20 Toughness Enhancements

So about 213 would be around the minimum.

Additional sources of HP at this level with a little more work:
+20 Minos Legens from the Necro 4 pack.
+14 +2 Constitution Tome

Which lands you at 247. There are even more sources that TRs have at this range, but as a first life you shouldn't have to worry about them.

kierg10
02-09-2013, 11:24 AM
people, please remember, that for a new player, where are they supposed to get a greater false life item?

Isn't exactly a common drop, and on AH/in trade they aren't exactly cheap, first time you will easily get a GFL item from a drop is in the sane asylum, and I doubt a new player will just have one of those lying around :p

Also he said drow, so after maxing out charisma he can have at most 14 con since only 28 points (16 into cha, 10 con, 2 something else) so make your con totals for 14 con not 16 or 18 (as that is unreasonable for a first life drow).

HP you could reasonably have with minimal gear (I will include minos legens in here as it is fairly easy to get):

level 14:

20 heroic durability
+16 toughness feat
+20 toughness enhancements (take both of them on a drow sorc, as you are inherently squishy)
+20 improved false life (this is much easier to get than GFL, and if you find a nice person with high crafting levels they can craft it for you I believe)
+70 con (20 con, as 14 base+6 item=20, increase by 2 if you have access to a +2 con tome)
+56 sorcerer class
+20 toughness item (minos legens, is fairly easy to get)
=222

this is a good amount for a first life drow sorcerer to have at level 14, and with displacment or blur and the GH/false life temporary hitpoints and stoneskin for DR you should be able to survive easily (once you get some good gear I would start carrying around http://ddowiki.com/page/Skyvault_Shield as you can purchase it for not that much, and it has no ASF, so turtle up with that and it can reduce damage quite a bit, I use fanion from necropolis and that has saved me a couple times from melees smacking me about, especially ones that spam improved trip -_- )

good luck.

EDIT:
as a TR human sorc I had:
20 heroic durability
+112 con (18 base+6 con item+3 tome=27)
+16 toughness feat
+20 toughness enhancements
+45 greensteel (I have a mineral 2 helm)
+30 GFL
+56 sorcerer levels
=299
or
313 when raged
or
327 when using ship buffs and raged.

I could have been at about 371 HP when fully buffed if I had bothered equipping a toughness item, and if i had taken greater adaptability con and the final toughness enhancement.

That is how they reach 300s

Of the moment at lvl 18 my sorc is sitting at about 351 unbuffed, since I haven't really gotten gear to upgrade my HP, so i should probably get a toughnes cloak lol, since I should get more than 351 :D

linky to my character's sheet: http://ddocrafting.info/myddo/argonnessen/Dragonbloodz/

My SP is only 2698 (which for a TR is kinda low I think) but I don't take any mental toughness feats, nor do I have any guild augment boosts lol.

dredre9987
02-09-2013, 11:28 AM
If you farm for a minos you will have the plat for GFL......

Limey
02-09-2013, 11:29 AM
"people, please remember, that for a new player, where are they supposed to get a greater false life item?"

The AH has plenty starting at 5k plat which wouldn't take much time selling trash to raise.

kierg10
02-09-2013, 11:32 AM
If you farm for a minos you will have the plat for GFL......

very often more experienced players will give newer players 20 taps so they can get heavy fort and toughness, I have done this before, so they will not often have the plat for a GFL item./.......

kierg10
02-09-2013, 11:36 AM
"people, please remember, that for a new player, where are they supposed to get a greater false life item?"

The AH has plenty starting at 5k plat which wouldn't take much time selling trash to raise.

So you use a robe for your GFL item?

Since on argo AH with lvl 1 to 14 set as level range the cheapest GFL item he could use (as in not heavy medium or light armours) was a +2 robe of greater false life, and for anyone, even a new player there are much better robes to use than one with GFL other than that the cheapest accessory of GFL is a belt of GFL for 25k, whch for a new player is a lot.

First time I hit above 10k plat I was so happy lol.

So long ago :p

dredre9987
02-09-2013, 11:39 AM
Still doesn't account for him only having 100 ( not saying I would boot him or anything ) GFL is fairly cheap on Sarlona and Cannith that I can see....Only expensive slot is rings.....they are at about 20k. And even that would be easy...I just took a lvl 7 favor farming, up to lvl 3 quests and have made over 20k plat. And the few crazy folk with buyouts set at 1.2 mil plat LMAO

kierg10
02-09-2013, 11:43 AM
Still doesn't account for him only have 100 ( not saying I would boot him or anything ) GFL is fairly cheap on Sarlona and Cannith that I can see....Only expensive slot is rings.....they are at about 20k

Maybe argo is just expensive lol

And let's see how he could hit 100:

20 heroic durability
+56 sorcerer
+16 toughness feat
+20 toughness enhancements
-14 con (from starting 8 con)
=98

from his given info that is closest I can get lol

dredre9987
02-09-2013, 11:45 AM
17 from toughness but yes...why you would start a caster at 8 con I will never know.

kierg10
02-09-2013, 12:00 PM
17 from toughness but yes...why you would start a caster at 8 con I will never know.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Toughness

16 from toughness (3 at first lvl, 1 for the 13 lvls between 2 and 14 including 2 and 14, for a total of 3+13=16)

dredre9987
02-09-2013, 12:05 PM

BigSlugger
02-09-2013, 12:23 PM
If you can't, for whatever reason, get hold of a Greater False Life item, the Nightforge Armbands from Relic of a Sovereign Past are Improved False Life, just 10 Hp less.

tfangel
02-09-2013, 02:08 PM
17 from toughness but yes...why you would start a caster at 8 con I will never know.

More used to pen and paper than DDO? It is better to be well rounded in pnp than it is in DDO, where min maxing seems to rule.

FranOhmsford
02-09-2013, 02:25 PM
More used to pen and paper than DDO? It is better to be well rounded in pnp than it is in DDO, where min maxing seems to rule.

Well Rounded does not = 8 in a stat!

Min/Maxing = 8 in a stat!

Well Rounded = every stat to at least 12 {Human} 10 if you start at 6!

gerardIII
02-09-2013, 02:43 PM
Base for caster is d4 per level, so 14-56, +1/2 Con above 10, +17 for Toughness, +20 for Racial Toughness?

20 Heroic Durability (free +20hp at lvl 1)
56 Lvl 14 caster
28 Con 14 (+2 mod) (Drow)
28 Item with +4 Con (easy to get/buy at lvl 14, could even be +6 Con)
17 Toughness Feat
20 Toughness enhancement II
20 Improved False Life item (could be +30 with greater false life)
-----
189 hp and that's really with minimum effort

10 greater false life
14 Con +6 item
20 Minos Legens helm
28 tome con +2
14 airship +2 con
-----
275 hp with more investment

45 Greensteel HP item
-----
320 hp for a reincarnated caster

Jaid314
02-09-2013, 02:53 PM
20 Heroic Durability (free +20hp at lvl 1)
56 Lvl 14 caster
28 Con 14 (+2 mod) (Drow)
28 Item with +4 Con (easy to get/buy at lvl 14, could even be +6 Con)
17 Toughness Feat
20 Toughness enhancement II
20 Improved False Life item (could be +30 with greater false life)
-----
189 hp and that's really with minimum effort

10 greater false life
14 Con +6 item
20 Minos Legens helm
28 tome con +2
14 airship +2 con
-----
275 hp with more investment

45 Greensteel HP item
-----
320 hp for a reincarnated caster

plus guild slotted bonus HP... at least for now.

Gkar
02-09-2013, 03:18 PM
HP you could reasonably have with minimal gear (I will include minos legens in here as it is fairly easy to get):

level 14:

20 heroic durability
+16 toughness feat
+20 toughness enhancements (take both of them on a drow sorc, as you are inherently squishy)
+20 improved false life (this is much easier to get than GFL, and if you find a nice person with high crafting levels they can craft it for you I believe)
+70 con (20 con, as 14 base+6 item=20, increase by 2 if you have access to a +2 con tome)
+56 sorcerer class
+20 toughness item (minos legens, is fairly easy to get)
=222

Quite fair for a first life/new player drow. I think by that point as long as you are breaking 200 you are making reasonable efforts to equip yourself.

kierg10
02-09-2013, 06:16 PM
20 Heroic Durability (free +20hp at lvl 1)
56 Lvl 14 caster
28 Con 14 (+2 mod) (Drow)
28 Item with +4 Con (easy to get/buy at lvl 14, could even be +6 Con)
17 Toughness Feat
20 Toughness enhancement II
20 Improved False Life item (could be +30 with greater false life)
-----
189 hp and that's really with minimum effort

10 greater false life
14 Con +6 item
20 Minos Legens helm
28 tome con +2
14 airship +2 con
-----
275 hp with more investment

45 Greensteel HP item
-----
320 hp for a reincarnated caster

or 300 for a reincarnated caster who is too lazy to use a minos since he has a min 2 helm :D

Gremmlynn
02-09-2013, 10:42 PM
very often more experienced players will give newer players 20 taps so they can get heavy fort and toughness, I have done this before, so they will not often have the plat for a GFL item./.......Then they can go farm a few extra taps up to sell for it. Are a few rats and vans cycles a lot to ask of someone?

7-day_Trial_Monkey
02-10-2013, 12:33 AM
people, please remember, that for a new player, where are they supposed to get a greater false life item?

It's called an Auction House. You should check it out some time. It's a very useful resource.

Looking on the AH right now here's the lowest priced item with Greater False Life by inventory slot: (buyout price)

Armor: 2,999
Docent: 3,000
Shield: 3,800
Outfit and robe: 15,000
Belt: 15,000
Ring: 115,000

Rings will always be more expensive, although that one I saw was +6 str with GFL and rightly more expensive.

The point being, if you check the AH regularly you will certainly find a GFL item in a slot that you can fit into your build for under 20k.

If you can't afford that at level 14 then you have been spending your plat on the wrong things.

kierg10
02-10-2013, 07:52 AM
Then they can go farm a few extra taps up to sell for it. Are a few rats and vans cycles a lot to ask of someone?

if they don't know what that means, yes.

kierg10
02-10-2013, 07:54 AM
It's called an Auction House. You should check it out some time. It's a very useful resource.

Looking on the AH right now here's the lowest priced item with Greater False Life by inventory slot: (buyout price)

Armor: 2,999
Docent: 3,000
Shield: 3,800
Outfit and robe: 15,000
Belt: 15,000
Ring: 115,000

Rings will always be more expensive, although that one I saw was +6 str with GFL and rightly more expensive.

The point being, if you check the AH regularly you will certainly find a GFL item in a slot that you can fit into your build for under 20k.

If you can't afford that at level 14 then you have been spending your plat on the wrong things.

Well, on argo I did not see any accessory slot GFL items for under 25k, so yeah, I don't expect a new player to be able to afford that since they are a new player

Ryiah
02-10-2013, 08:00 AM
people, please remember, that for a new player, where are they supposed to get a greater false life item?

The drop rate for certain prefixes and suffixes seems to have been greatly increased since MOTU. Prior to MOTU I rarely pulled any Greater False Life or Heavy Fortification items. Now however I'm pulling one of each practically every life. Not to mention +6 stat gear. The increased drop rate is also pushing the prices down on the AH to where a new player could easily sell what they don't need on the AH/pawn vendors to afford it.

Well, on argo I did not see any accessory slot GFL items for under 25k, so yeah, I don't expect a new player to be able to afford that since they are a new player

Being a new player does not automatically equate to being completely broke unless you're too stupid to know how to loot a chest. You won't be rolling in cash so you'll have to be picky but you can easily make enough money at level 14 to afford a 25K item. Orchard and Vale weapon loot should sell for at least 800 to 1000 plat each to a weapon pawn vendor.

Matuse
02-10-2013, 11:24 AM
More used to pen and paper than DDO? It is better to be well rounded in pnp than it is in DDO, where min maxing seems to rule.

And in what universe is an 8 for any attribute considered "well rounded"?

LoneWolfie
02-10-2013, 12:07 PM
Don't feel bad i got booted from a group on my level 16 Drow 6/6/4 arti/rogue/ranger build yesterday for having... gasp... 277 HP... people are just plain idiots... kind of like all the "go farm taps and you can afford a GFL item"... I guess none of those people think that a new player isn't likely to have Necro pack or know how to farm it quickly and easily. I do think you should have a bit more HP at level 14 on any character than 100. I wouldn't boot ya for it but then i don't care about xp/min.

Good luck out there.

SirValentine
02-10-2013, 12:44 PM
It's mostly gear.

Greensteel = 45
Greater false life = 30
Toughness enchantment = 20
+6 Con item = +3 per level

That's 137 more hp that most serious players don't remember what it is like not to have.

A greensteel HP item is of course something a new player won't have, and will have to grind to get. But the other 3 are all quite attainable these days.

Ryiah
02-10-2013, 04:54 PM
Don't feel bad i got booted from a group on my level 16 Drow 6/6/4 arti/rogue/ranger build yesterday for having... gasp... 277 HP...

It is also possible that some people are simply using that as an excuse to boot people rather than make up a legit reason.

LOOON375
02-10-2013, 05:32 PM
If you are on Argo, hit me up here or in game. I should have something laying around I can just give you. If anything, I have a spare Dusk heart or two laying around.

Gremmlynn
02-10-2013, 09:03 PM
if they don't know what that means, yes.Ask for directions to the Orchard (it's just up the path from the guy they gave the taps they were given is) and wander around learning what it means. I'm not the one complaining that someone who is given all the taps they need are somehow at a disadvantage because they didn't get any plat from actually having to get them themselves.

If a level 14 sorcerer can't figure out how to make money in the Orchard, I'd ask them who leveled their character for them.

Gremmlynn
02-10-2013, 09:06 PM
Well, on argo I did not see any accessory slot GFL items for under 25k, so yeah, I don't expect a new player to be able to afford that since they are a new playerIf they are level 14 and still playing the new player card, I'd have to say it's high time they learn how to play the game.

Gremmlynn
02-10-2013, 09:13 PM
Don't feel bad i got booted from a group on my level 16 Drow 6/6/4 arti/rogue/ranger build yesterday for having... gasp... 277 HP... people are just plain idiots... kind of like all the "go farm taps and you can afford a GFL item"... I guess none of those people think that a new player isn't likely to have Necro pack or know how to farm it quickly and easily. I do think you should have a bit more HP at level 14 on any character than 100. I wouldn't boot ya for it but then i don't care about xp/min.

Good luck out there.First the OP said they were a VIP, so no need for necro pack. Second the way to learn to farm taps quickly and easily is to go to the orchard and figure out how to farm taps quickly and easily. Likely to find that GFL item in the process too.

kierg10
02-10-2013, 09:35 PM
second the way to learn to farm taps quickly and easily is to go to the orchard and figure out how to farm taps quickly and easily.

lol

nni
02-10-2013, 11:14 PM
I think I may have been in that group with you. I remember a 98hp sorcerer in an elite Mired in Kobolds run recently.

As a first life fleshy sorc with no hp, no fortification and no self-healing you should steer as far away from any elite run as possible. The absolute minimum gear you need is improved false life, +4 CON and heavy fortification. Those should be exceptionally easy to acquire. IFL and heavy fort can be gotten from relic of a sovereign past, a ftp quest.

LoneWolfie
02-11-2013, 12:19 AM
First the OP said they were a VIP, so no need for necro pack. Second the way to learn to farm taps quickly and easily is to go to the orchard and figure out how to farm taps quickly and easily. Likely to find that GFL item in the process too.

Base for caster is d4 per level, so 14-56, +1/2 Con above 10, +17 for Toughness, +20 for Racial Toughness? Round it off, and it should clock in around 100 or so. As a L14 Drow Sorcerer that seems respectable to me, especially backed by Stoneskin, Protection from Elements, Greater Heroism and False Life.

But damn, how the hell are you people getting caster HP in the 300 range at level 14 or so? I got kicked from a group for coming in at at "only" 100 last night. Looking at DDOWiki's page on Hit Points (http://ddowiki.com/page/Hit_points) nothing really sticks out as giving an extra 200, so what the heck am I doing wrong?

Nowhere in the opening post does it say anything about being a VIP. maybe i missed another post by them but i scanned through and didn't find another post from them. So just how the hell did you come up with knowing he is a VIP??? I agree he should have a bit more HP but a truly NEW player honestly might not know that.

Edit: to add in this thought. A truly new player is likely to want to take their time and enjoy the game. The new enemies, quests, dungeons... these are FUN especially when you are new. Most of the vets out there zerg through everything because they have done it a thousand times on a hundred different characters. New players aren't as inclined to go farm taps or anything else there is just too much of the game waiting to be explored and enjoyed. Thinking from another perspective rather than your own, such as the OP's, before commenting might lead to better discussion and enlightenment for all involved.

Ryiah
02-11-2013, 01:49 AM
A truly new player is likely to want to take their time and enjoy the game. The new enemies, quests, dungeons... these are FUN especially when you are new.

You don't have to be new to enjoy the content. Likewise you don't have to be an old player to be able to ask the simple question of "What am I doing that I could improve upon?"

Gremmlynn
02-11-2013, 07:16 AM
Nowhere in the opening post does it say anything about being a VIP. maybe i missed another post by them but i scanned through and didn't find another post from them. So just how the hell did you come up with knowing he is a VIP??? I agree he should have a bit more HP but a truly NEW player honestly might not know that. I stand corrected, not the first time and unlikely to be the last. As far as his not knowing, he's here asking so I am answering. Telling someone that getting dropped from a group due to having fewer hps than the content is designed for is just a case of running into a meany really helps no one. It's someone else's assumption that "maybe a vet gave the new player the taps and they never had the chance to farm" that I find absurd. As someone giving one taps in no way prevents them from going into the orchard anyway.

Edit: to add in this thought. A truly new player is likely to want to take their time and enjoy the game. The new enemies, quests, dungeons... these are FUN especially when you are new. Most of the vets out there zerg through everything because they have done it a thousand times on a hundred different characters. New players aren't as inclined to go farm taps or anything else there is just too much of the game waiting to be explored and enjoyed. Thinking from another perspective rather than your own, such as the OP's, before commenting might lead to better discussion and enlightenment for all involved.What's not exploring the game about learning the orchard? Anyone who is truly taking their time, rather than zerging through the levels, should have little problems with either sufficient gear or plat (been there done that), not to mention gaining a good bit of experience on the other side of the keyboard.

Gremmlynn
02-11-2013, 07:21 AM
lolI can only assume that this response means the devs published a guild to farming taps with the release of necro IV. Else someone had to go into the Orchard and figure it out for them self.

Ryiah
02-11-2013, 10:13 AM
Anyone who is truly taking their time, rather than zerging through the levels, should have little problems with either sufficient gear or plat (been there done that), not to mention gaining a good bit of experience on the other side of the keyboard.

I'm currently taking my alt account through its first TR and decided not to bother farming out twink gear, aside from a Vibrant Purple Ioun Stone which I had been using prior to TR. It is currently level 4 and has only run content up to level 2 quests (Hard bravery but going back and running Elite afterwards for favor). It has had no trouble pulling level-appropriate stat gear for every single stat. I don't expect this to be any different at the later levels.

bonscott87
02-11-2013, 12:55 PM
As for getting plat on a new player...please, 25K is nothing. I don't play a lot and I can easily make 25-50K every couple days just selling collectibles from normal quests (just today I got 30K plat after AH costs from selling a Drowshood I picked up in Tangleroot) and essences from deconstructing vendor trash. Honestly, if you don't have 200K by level 6 you're really not trying, even as a new player. It's just so easy making money in this game by doing nothing but listing collectibles and essences in the AH it's not even funny.

kierg10
02-11-2013, 02:42 PM
I can only assume that this response means the devs published a guild to farming taps with the release of necro IV. Else someone had to go into the Orchard and figure it out for them self.

New players don't just figure something out by figuring it out.

That is moronic.

EDIT: it is basically circle logic that says to figure something out you need to figure it out, but how do you figure something out in the first place if you can only figure it out by figuring it out?

kierg10
02-11-2013, 02:43 PM
As for getting plat on a new player...please, 25K is nothing. I don't play a lot and I can easily make 25-50K every couple days just selling collectibles from normal quests (just today I got 30K plat after AH costs from selling a Drowshood I picked up in Tangleroot) and essences from deconstructing vendor trash. Honestly, if you don't have 200K by level 6 you're really not trying, even as a new player. It's just so easy making money in this game by doing nothing but listing collectibles and essences in the AH it's not even funny.

and a new player automatically knows how to use the AH, when to use the AH, and what should be priced at what price range on the AH?

bonscott87
02-11-2013, 03:07 PM
and a new player automatically knows how to use the AH, when to use the AH, and what should be priced at what price range on the AH?

This new player is posting on this forum and thus has easy access to such info to start using the AH tonight. ;)

stefferweffer
02-11-2013, 03:56 PM
As a new player (Yes I have a 20 and 21 character and now and still feel "new") I would really appreciate somewhere in game that showed possible "named loot" rewards for certain tasks. Take tapestries for example, I know of nothing in the game that would inspire me to collect those other than a guys that says "Bring me 20 of them and I'll make you something." That's kind of vague, isn't it? The only reason I knew about Minos at all is because of you guys mentioning it in the forums (which I am thankful for, by the way.) But if instead that same guy showed you a "preview" version of what he could make for you if you bring him 20 tapestries, you might go "Wow! I'm gonna go get some tapestries!" Same thing with quests. Whether a chain or an individual quest, if there is unique loot to be gained there, even if it is a random chance, SHOW the player that stuff, so they can decide if that is an item that they want to chance getting or not. (If it requires higher difficulties certainly mention that too.) If quests could show in advance what cool stuff you might get, I just think it would be a help, not a hindrance.

Yes, it is on Wiki, but I for one would like for it to be in the game too. Interrupting my game to go to Wiki is a hassle that I'd rather do without. It sort of takes me out of that "virtuality reality" zone. Kinda hard to describe, but maybe you know what I mean.

Gremmlynn
02-11-2013, 08:57 PM
I'm currently taking my alt account through its first TR and decided not to bother farming out twink gear, aside from a Vibrant Purple Ioun Stone which I had been using prior to TR. It is currently level 4 and has only run content up to level 2 quests (Hard bravery but going back and running Elite afterwards for favor). It has had no trouble pulling level-appropriate stat gear for every single stat. I don't expect this to be any different at the later levels.Nope, the game has really gotten away from looting a bunch of trash to sell in order to buy something useful. Personally I find more playing and less shopping a good thing.

Gremmlynn
02-11-2013, 09:05 PM
New players don't just figure something out by figuring it out.

That is moronic.

EDIT: it is basically circle logic that says to figure something out you need to figure it out, but how do you figure something out in the first place if you can only figure it out by figuring it out?If that is the case then nobody would ever have figured anything out. By your logic, if the person who built a bathroom never told anyone where it is nobody would ever be able to find it as simply opening doors and looking isn't possible.

Strangely, I defy your logic, as before ever looking up, asking about or getting a guild, I knew the Orchard by rote. Simply by going in and figuring it out by figuring it out. I mean it is the premise behind every single player game out there.

Gremmlynn
02-11-2013, 09:11 PM
As a new player (Yes I have a 20 and 21 character and now and still feel "new") I would really appreciate somewhere in game that showed possible "named loot" rewards for certain tasks. Take tapestries for example, I know of nothing in the game that would inspire me to collect those other than a guys that says "Bring me 20 of them and I'll make you something." That's kind of vague, isn't it? The only reason I knew about Minos at all is because of you guys mentioning it in the forums (which I am thankful for, by the way.) But if instead that same guy showed you a "preview" version of what he could make for you if you bring him 20 tapestries, you might go "Wow! I'm gonna go get some tapestries!" Same thing with quests. Whether a chain or an individual quest, if there is unique loot to be gained there, even if it is a random chance, SHOW the player that stuff, so they can decide if that is an item that they want to chance getting or not. (If it requires higher difficulties certainly mention that too.) If quests could show in advance what cool stuff you might get, I just think it would be a help, not a hindrance.

Yes, it is on Wiki, but I for one would like for it to be in the game too. Interrupting my game to go to Wiki is a hassle that I'd rather do without. It sort of takes me out of that "virtuality reality" zone. Kinda hard to describe, but maybe you know what I mean.I would think simply going out and getting those 20 taps or running that content would be a good way of finding out that also keeps you in that "virtual reality" zone.

Qhualor
02-11-2013, 09:26 PM
As a new player (Yes I have a 20 and 21 character and now and still feel "new") I would really appreciate somewhere in game that showed possible "named loot" rewards for certain tasks. Take tapestries for example, I know of nothing in the game that would inspire me to collect those other than a guys that says "Bring me 20 of them and I'll make you something." That's kind of vague, isn't it? The only reason I knew about Minos at all is because of you guys mentioning it in the forums (which I am thankful for, by the way.) But if instead that same guy showed you a "preview" version of what he could make for you if you bring him 20 tapestries, you might go "Wow! I'm gonna go get some tapestries!" Same thing with quests. Whether a chain or an individual quest, if there is unique loot to be gained there, even if it is a random chance, SHOW the player that stuff, so they can decide if that is an item that they want to chance getting or not. (If it requires higher difficulties certainly mention that too.) If quests could show in advance what cool stuff you might get, I just think it would be a help, not a hindrance.

Yes, it is on Wiki, but I for one would like for it to be in the game too. Interrupting my game to go to Wiki is a hassle that I'd rather do without. It sort of takes me out of that "virtuality reality" zone. Kinda hard to describe, but maybe you know what I mean.

i suppose the reasons why named loot/named collectibles isnt listed anywhere in game that says what quest/explorers drops what named item/named collectible is because we are supposed to find out on our own as adventurers. some people dont want that part of the gaming experience taken away. also, i believe it would be a confirmation that certain quests/exploeres do drop certain named items/named collectibles by devs. they like to hold the spirit of D&D until we as players can confirm it first. keep in mind, too, that wiki isnt always completely accurate and up to date.

Ryiah
02-12-2013, 03:39 AM
Nope, the game has really gotten away from looting a bunch of trash to sell in order to buy something useful.

My point was that gear, specifically stat gear, drops readily and that expecting a new player to be unable to obtain it is ridiculous. As for selling the items, on my main account I tend to buy stat gear off the AH versus trying to obtain it from farming. I'm quite willing to pay 25,000 platinum, or more if I need a very specific slot, for a +6 stat item.

SirValentine
02-12-2013, 05:00 AM
keep in mind, too, that wiki isnt always completely accurate and up to date.

It's a wiki. If you see an error, please, go ahead and fix it.

Jingwei
02-12-2013, 06:20 AM
As a new player (Yes I have a 20 and 21 character and now and still feel "new") I would really appreciate somewhere in game that showed possible "named loot" rewards for certain tasks.

Sounds like you want the Definitive Static Rewards and Named Loot List (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=121279)

Gremmlynn
02-12-2013, 06:26 AM
My point was that gear, specifically stat gear, drops readily and that expecting a new player to be unable to obtain it is ridiculous. As for selling the items, on my main account I tend to buy stat gear off the AH versus trying to obtain it from farming. I'm quite willing to pay 25,000 platinum, or more if I need a very specific slot, for a +6 stat item.Personally, I just craft it up to +6. But it still stands that, at least IMO, it's more satisfying to be able to use what you find, Rather than the old system where nearly everything was under your level and generally only good for selling or passing down.

voodoogroves
02-12-2013, 09:28 AM
More used to pen and paper than DDO? It is better to be well rounded in pnp than it is in DDO, where min maxing seems to rule.

Totally not true.

Your DM adjusts the plot so you can have a party with one commoner with all 10s and one caster with all 18s and everyone can contribute / have fun.

Mechanically speaking, you still want to go first and be a caster with the highest casting stat possible in PNP.

Ryiah
02-12-2013, 11:18 AM
Personally, I just craft it up to +6.

I haven't gotten that far yet. Best I can do is +5.

But it still stands that, at least IMO, it's more satisfying to be able to use what you find

Which is why I made the statement that my alt account is successfully finding the gear she needs. It may not be the most ideal, I certainly haven't found a False Life item outside of the guaranteed Korthos one, but I have found stat gear just fine.