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SqueakofDoom
10-05-2012, 03:39 PM
Update 16 is on Lamannia for Early Preview.
You can find Release Notes at the following location: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=376774
Known Issues have not been finalized because it is still under production.

This is not the full update. More will be coming!

There might be some Dev events in the future, so keep an eye out for more information.

I'll see you online!

Gleep_Wurp
10-05-2012, 04:04 PM
hi welcome to the team :cool:

Cetus
10-05-2012, 04:05 PM
You guys planning on doing a character wipe finally? Or am I sitting this one out again?

Memnir
10-05-2012, 04:08 PM
Orbs: Casters only? - or can anyone use one?


UI Change: "A sound now plays when a guild levels up or achieves an optional quest objective."
Maybe I missed something along the way, but how can a guild complete an optional? Or is that party-based as well, and the sound plays when the optional is done?

Ivan_Milic
10-05-2012, 04:13 PM
The Bard prestige enhancement Spellsong Vigor now works properly on Warforged.
:O
Ancient Giant Relics, Ancient Dragon Relics, Ancient Elven Relics, and all types of Dragonscales, are now ingredients instead of collectibles. The next time they are removed from a collectible bag, they will not be able to be placed back inside. Instead, they will be able to be placed into ingredients bags.
Dont like this.

Cetus
10-05-2012, 04:18 PM
Glabrezu demons now have a slightly wider range of spells, and do 75% to 100% more damage on their melee attacks.


This one might hurt a bit in those EE webs...

Krelar
10-05-2012, 04:22 PM
So we have an official Lamannia Coordinator now? Does that mean you're the one we should complain to about having dev events, character wipes, and other stuff? :D

AZgreentea
10-05-2012, 04:25 PM
Reading through the notes, there is lots of positive and nothing for me to really complain about. Looks nice.

So, U15.2. Did it already go live and I missed it? Will it be released later? Is it canceled? Did I fall that far behind on the news during my vacation this week?

Cetus
10-05-2012, 04:30 PM
Update 16 is on Lamannia for Early Preview.
You can find Release Notes at the following location: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=376774
Known Issues have not been finalized because it is still under production.

This is not the full update. More will be coming!

There might be some Dev events in the future, so keep an eye out for more information.

I'll see you online!

You weren't kidding about the early part...I'm trying to read the dialogue from an NPC and there are mistakes all over the place lol. The roughest of my writing doesn't contain such errors.

Untitled
10-05-2012, 04:31 PM
Hi, welcome to the craziness! :)

I look forward to seeing what you have in store for us.

Aashrym
10-05-2012, 04:48 PM
Orbs: Casters only? - or can anyone use one?


UI Change: "A sound now plays when a guild levels up or achieves an optional quest objective."
Maybe I missed something along the way, but how can a guild complete an optional? Or is that party-based as well, and the sound plays when the optional is done?

Welcome to dungeons and casters online. :D

der_kluge
10-05-2012, 04:49 PM
Many hair dyes in the DDO Store are now auctionable and tradable.
Vases in the Realms now shatter better when you break them.
Misty now congratulates the party when they've sunk the enemy fleet.
Cows are now oxen.
Several quest givers have shifted positions.


Hate to look a gifthorse in the mouth, but seriously - why is Turbine spending time and effort on these things? I mean, in terms of priorities, where does "vase-breaking animation" fit into the big scheme of things? I've never once on these forums ever seen anyone complain about how the vase animation looked.

I'm perplexed.


Also: Bulletin Boards?? Now that I'm interested in.

Brennie
10-05-2012, 05:02 PM
First impressions:

I'm curious about Primal Avatar. Focusing on both spellcasting AND two weapon fighting seems interesting, and hopefully not overly ambitious. Curious to see the details!

I'm skeptical about orbs. In most cases where saves and resistances come in handy, running/jumping/evading is usually the preferred tactic for castery types. But then, if it just acts like a caster stick, i could see some arcanes using it I suppose. It certainly doesn't offer any downside compared to an offhand scepter, except making weapon sets slightly more restrictive.

I'm excited about spellsong vigor finally working on warforged. Man, that thing has been around for so long, i thought it was a "Feature".

I'm dubious about the changes to archers focus.


Archer's Focus Offensive Ranged Stance: While you are stationary, you gain On Damage: Up to once every 2 seconds, you gain +2% competence bonus to missile damage. This effect can stack up to 15 times. Moving or using the Manyshot ability clears the stack.

Shorter cycles for ramping up Archer Focus damage makes the ability better. Five seconds to get any benefit felt way too long. And capping out at 30% bonus instead of 25% is an improvement, even if it takes longer (30 seconds vs. 25 seconds? Or am i doing the math wrong?). However, this doesn't address the main complaints about archers focus, which center around IPS being better in almost every situation, how movement is crucial to ranged combat except in big immobile raidboss fights, and how in those immobile raidboss fights, manyshot is a must, which invalidates archers focus. And while manyshot is on cooldown, archers focus is not quite enough on its own to compensate for the poor damage output of non-manyshotting Archery vs. just whipping out a good melee weapon.

Follow up question: Does this change mean that if an archer doesn't attack an enemy within 2 seconds of Archers Focus being active, they lose the buff (Whereas currently it tales 5 second of non-combat to lose the buff?) If so, that really helps marginalize this poorly performing ability even more...

Arkat
10-05-2012, 05:02 PM
Sooooo...did 404_Error finally "move on"?

Shade
10-05-2012, 05:03 PM
Stuck on Connect...

Anyone able to patch or get in?

Shade
10-05-2012, 05:05 PM
Sooooo...did 404_Error finally "move on"?

He's mornlands.. (which doesnt really exist)
Last lama coordinator was thoon iirc. We been through lots of them tho, hard to keep track.

BOgre
10-05-2012, 05:07 PM
Archer's Focus Offensive Ranged Stance: While you are stationary, you gain On Damage: Up to once every 2 seconds, you gain +2% competence bonus to missile damage. This effect can stack up to 15 times. Moving or using the Manyshot ability clears the stack.

Should read: Moving or using the Manyshot ability decreases the stack by 1 (or even make it 2).

This is a nice improvement to Archer's Focus, but let's not add a great effect and make it useless at the same time. Reducing the stack makes much more sense than clearing it. Please.

Also, you could you explain 'up to once every 2 seconds'. This implies 'no more than once every 2 seconds', which means there's a lower end as well. What's the lower end? Does this mean there's a die roll occurring? Is there a chance that you'll receive no bonus at all for some unknown amount of time? A little clarification there would be cool. Thanks.

p.s. Thanks for the continued work on AF. Really appreciate it. :)

404error
10-05-2012, 05:08 PM
Sooooo...did 404_Error finally "move on"?

I still do Mournlands and help run Beta events, I have gone no where. We just put Kookie in a different cage he was starting to go rabid.

Phoenix-daBard
10-05-2012, 05:12 PM
Hate to look a gifthorse in the mouth, but seriously - why is Turbine spending time and effort on these things? I mean, in terms of priorities, where does "vase-breaking animation" fit into the big scheme of things? I've never once on these forums ever seen anyone complain about how the vase animation looked.

It is called trainee work. And sometimes someone will be working on a real brain buster and need something simple to work on. These fall into that category too.

Arkat
10-05-2012, 05:18 PM
He's mornlands.. (which doesnt really exist)
Last lama coordinator was thoon iirc. We been through lots of them tho, hard to keep track.


I still do Mournlands and help run Beta events, I have gone no where. We just put Kookie in a different cage he was starting to go rabid.

Ok

LOOON375
10-05-2012, 05:24 PM
Fricken sweet. So looking forward to this.

QuantumFX
10-05-2012, 05:44 PM
C**p. Now I have to come up with yet another Lammaland specific “SOON™” variant for the new guy.

This is all I have so far:

SoDoon™
SOONofDoom™
SqueakofSOON™
SonofTHOON™

Terebinthia
10-05-2012, 05:47 PM
So, premium will be able to playtest this, correct?

(this is a nice poke to remember to allocate a points cost to the pack and put it in the Lama store :) )

SirShen
10-05-2012, 05:48 PM
Launcher updated i logged in and i get the you need to reboot to get the high end graphics (I WISH YOU WOULD FIX THIS TO REBOOT AFTER AN UPDATE). So i closed it and reopened it, im now stuck on Connect on the launcher. Nothing i do gets it past it. Well so much for having a look at U16.

oweieie
10-05-2012, 05:53 PM
It is called trainee work. And sometimes someone will be working on a real brain buster and need something simple to work on. These fall into that category too.

When the ship is sinking you get the trainees to bail and patch, not scrape barnacles.

Scraap
10-05-2012, 05:55 PM
New Offhand Item: Orbs

Orbs are a new type of offhand item for spellcasters to wield. Equipping an orb is like using a shield, however when you block with it, a magical barrier of force provides an Orb Bonus to your saving throws and energy resistances. This is in addition to any effects listed on the item. Note that unlike shields, orbs do not inherently increase your Armor Class and Damage Reduction.

Curious about the wording there regarding inherent DR. At present, DR application requires blocking or a PRE, and if PRR was meant, that takes additional feats. Something meant to change there, or...?

QuantumFX
10-05-2012, 06:07 PM
Curious about the wording there regarding inherent DR. At present, DR application requires blocking or a PRE, and if PRR was meant, that takes additional feats. Something meant to change there, or...?

The orbs are made of Adamantine?

Scraap
10-05-2012, 06:17 PM
The orbs are made of Adamantine?

Well, for clarity, if they're using analogous functionality, they'd add to saves when held, and absorption when actively blocking, unless the note means they're also intending for shields to add some form of DR simply for being held, which I kinda doubt.

OldCoaly
10-05-2012, 06:18 PM
Hate to look a gifthorse in the mouth, but seriously - why is Turbine spending time and effort on these things? I mean, in terms of priorities, where does "vase-breaking animation" fit into the big scheme of things? I've never once on these forums ever seen anyone complain about how the vase animation looked.

I'm perplexed.

I'm delighted.

I don't have any recollection of the "vase-breaking animation" being inconsistent with other breaking animations, but if it's player-facing and they can fix it, please fix it.

All the small things that aren't game-breaking pollute the gaming environment. They are noise that de-sensitize everyone to things that should NEVER EVER have been released to live.

Please, "fix" the Vase Breaking animation, the Airship Destination menu that persists after we've arrived at the destination, the Giants in Tor that have been saying "DNT TBD ..." (when we all know they're really asking for a fresh donut and hot cup of coffee), and all the other low hanging fruit that isn't game breaking but is corrosive and calls into question the sincerity and credibility of statements such as "we truly appreciate how passionate our players are about helping DDO to be the best it can be (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=390631)".

It's all important.

bbqzor
10-05-2012, 06:34 PM
This is not the full update. More will be coming!
I hope so. We are still missing a few things which have been mentioned as coming several times and remain absent.

- No talk of challenge re-adjustments (to fix the "double"-nerf). Both in XP and parts received, I believe, but been awhile. This was supposed to be in U16.

- No mention of many destiny fixes (an example: Perfect Balance in GMoF dodge% actually scaling 1/1/2 instead of 1/2/3 as advertised, needs fixin' and theres plenty more). Do we need more threads compiling them all again or something?

- No note about eveningstar challenge ingredients becoming BTA instead of BTC. This has come up a number of times with a "when we get to it" context... as of U16 it'll have been two updates... make some time please. Its extremely annoying that the ingredients cannot be shuffled around like every other crafting styled ingredient in the game.

- No mention of the Handwrap overhaul which was mentioned just earlier this week, and supposed to be in U16.

Etc. I know its early, I know you said more is coming, and I know there is plenty of time still to get to all that. But I also know that this stuff has to be mentioned early and often. Here (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4711356&postcount=86) I had pointed something out (Glitter of Fame change), which was directly commented on multiple times, seemingly to address the issue, and was in fact still completely wrong (according to the post here (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4713153&postcount=123)), despite the fact the change wound up exactly as suggested/suspected in the first post.

When we start seeing updated and correct notes consistently, I'll stop being paranoid well in advance =p. Until then, I don't mind pushing for some of this stuff to remain in the foreground so its not forgotten. Thanks in advance... hope I'm not disappointed!

Shade
10-05-2012, 06:37 PM
Launcher updated i logged in and i get the you need to reboot to get the high end graphics (I WISH YOU WOULD FIX THIS TO REBOOT AFTER AN UPDATE). So i closed it and reopened it, im now stuck on Connect on the launcher. Nothing i do gets it past it. Well so much for having a look at U16.

Yea it's pretty silly. Your high rez gfx will actaully work fine, but it will nag you everytime you swap chars.

Its actaully only a command line flag tho the launcher sends the client.. has no other real impact. Just if you see "highres.dat" get updated, it generally sends that.

Workaround:
Use pylotro.. It's a far superior launcher, and doesnt send that command.

mikemattd50
10-05-2012, 06:42 PM
Ancient Giant Relics, Ancient Dragon Relics, Ancient Elven Relics, and all types of Dragonscales, are now ingredients instead of collectables. The next time they are removed from a collectable bag, they will not be able to be placed back inside. Instead, they will be able to be placed into ingredients bags.

wait why are they now ingredients instead of collectables? they were fine in the sorted red bag instead of being in a super packed unsorted green bag.:confused:

stricq
10-05-2012, 07:01 PM
First impressions:
Follow up question: Does this change mean that if an archer doesn't attack an enemy within 2 seconds of Archers Focus being active, they lose the buff (Whereas currently it tales 5 second of non-combat to lose the buff?) If so, that really helps marginalize this poorly performing ability even more...

Archer's focus now cycles down at a slower rate than it cycles up (4 seconds down vs 2 seconds up). I was fighting some bandits on the High Road and managed to get it up to 11 just doing my normal moving around when they get too close.

stricq
10-05-2012, 07:04 PM
When floating (feather fall) the fire effect on the Unwavering Ardency gets out of sync with the bow itself causing the bow to flicker on and off. But only while floating.

Shade
10-05-2012, 07:57 PM
Curious about the wording there regarding inherent DR. At present, DR application requires blocking or a PRE, and if PRR was meant, that takes additional feats. Something meant to change there, or...?

It's just the usual difficult to decipher description so common to the release notes...

Shields provide +DR and +AC while actively blocking.
Orb will instead provide +Energy Resistant and +Saving throws while actively blocking. (but not +DR or +AC)

Shade
10-05-2012, 08:00 PM
I got in after some more messing aroudn with the launcher..

All kinds of major bugs immediately noticeable:
-Weapons detach from my body if i swing or do anything else. Other players and NPCs dont even have theirs attached, they lay at their feat.
-DDO Store broken.
-ui update looks glitchy for bags. (Better for the chat windows tho, they fit in the corner properly now without as much cliping).

Produktion_Malphunktion
10-05-2012, 08:02 PM
hi welcome to the team :cool:

it's a trap!

Produktion_Malphunktion
10-05-2012, 08:02 PM
I got in after some more messing aroudn with the launcher..

All kinds of major bugs immediately noticeable:
-Weapons detach from my body if i swing or do anything else. Other players and NPCs dont even have theirs attached, they lay at their feat.
-DDO Store broken.
-ui update looks glitchy for bags. (Better for the chat windows tho, they fit in the corner properly now without as much cliping).

Yep, its WAY early.

Silverleafeon
10-05-2012, 08:27 PM
Orb!

Woot!

New Epic Destiny!

Woot!

Improved handling of archerly focus!

Woot!

Keep up the good work, Devs!

One step at a time, you are getting there.


Thinking Epic Destinies are gonna close to double in due time...

Talon_Moonshadow
10-05-2012, 09:25 PM
Did Golems really need another nerf?

Brennie
10-05-2012, 09:28 PM
Curious about the wording there regarding inherent DR. At present, DR application requires blocking or a PRE, and if PRR was meant, that takes additional feats. Something meant to change there, or...?

My immediate interpretation of this was: A shield with no magical effects can add AC, PRR and DR via feats and/or blocking. An orb with no magical effects cannot add AC, PRR or DR. Magic effects can, of course, do just about anything, so a no ac/prr/dr orb could theoretically gain a 2/- dr, +15 PRR and Shield spell clicky from magical effects.


Archer's focus now cycles down at a slower rate than it cycles up (4 seconds down vs 2 seconds up). I was fighting some bandits on the High Road and managed to get it up to 11 just doing my normal moving around when they get too close.

Wait, so you mean you gain a stack of archers focus every 2 seconds in comabt/not moving, and lose a stack for every seconds out of combat/not moving? On live, you currently lose all stacks IIRC. If so, this is a nice improvement.

I do not understand what you mean by "normal moving" though. Do you retain you archer focus stacks while moving? I assume you can't get MORE stacks while moving, but do they begin to "Cycle down" as you move and shoot, stay constant as you move and shoot (no gain, no loss) or dissapear entirely as soon as you move? What about Manyshot, does it dispel all archers focus stacks, cause the stacks to cycle down, cause stacks to stay in limbo, or some other effect entirely?

trog_star
10-05-2012, 09:29 PM
nice to see the focus on bug fixes over the next couple of updates happened.......

you guys realize your reaching the point where you could say "water is wet" and people would doubt it because you said it?

PNellesen
10-05-2012, 09:40 PM
Ancient Giant Relics, Ancient Dragon Relics, Ancient Elven Relics, and all types of Dragonscales, are now ingredients instead of collectables. The next time they are removed from a collectable bag, they will not be able to be placed back inside. Instead, they will be able to be placed into ingredients bags.

wait why are they now ingredients instead of collectables? they were fine in the sorted red bag instead of being in a super packed unsorted green bag.:confused:

ARGH! WHY? I don't have enough room in my ingredients bags as it is, now we have to clutter them even more?

Sigh. Yet another "fix" to something that nobody thought was broken.

Shade
10-05-2012, 10:15 PM
Did Golems really need another nerf?

? they never got one.

You can already freeze and earthgrab them on live.

Just yet another ancient release note in the wrong update. Pretty sure you could always freeze them, and they lost their earthgrab immunity the same time all players lost it, so thats fair.

Just yet another wrong release note, no actual changes.

Buttkierownsmade
10-05-2012, 10:38 PM
Update 16 is on Lamannia for Early Preview.
You can find Release Notes at the following location: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=376774
Known Issues have not been finalized because it is still under production.

This is not the full update. More will be coming!

There might be some Dev events in the future, so keep an eye out for more information.

I'll see you online!


Hi there, SqueakofDoom, Just wondering but... You are a permenant Coordinator For Lammainia Now? o.O I Loved KookieKobold He was... awesome on sooo many levels As Well as 404error You All Are my fav developers!!!! Please dont ever Move on We beta testers dont want you to leave us. :'( but Welcome!

BOgre
10-05-2012, 10:53 PM
Archer's Focus Offensive Ranged Stance: While you are stationary, you gain On Damage: Up to once every 2 seconds, you gain +2% competence bonus to missile damage. This effect can stack up to 15 times. Moving or using the Manyshot ability clears the stack.


Archer's focus now cycles down at a slower rate than it cycles up (4 seconds down vs 2 seconds up). I was fighting some bandits on the High Road and managed to get it up to 11 just doing my normal moving around when they get too close.



Wait, so you mean you gain a stack of archers focus every 2 seconds in comabt/not moving, and lose a stack for every seconds out of combat/not moving? On live, you currently lose all stacks IIRC. If so, this is a nice improvement.

I do not understand what you mean by "normal moving" though. Do you retain you archer focus stacks while moving? I assume you can't get MORE stacks while moving, but do they begin to "Cycle down" as you move and shoot, stay constant as you move and shoot (no gain, no loss) or dissapear entirely as soon as you move? What about Manyshot, does it dispel all archers focus stacks, cause the stacks to cycle down, cause stacks to stay in limbo, or some other effect entirely?

I'm not sure where you're getting your info. moving/manyshot clears the stack... Though i'd like it if it decreased the stack by 1...

though i'm just going by the notes, haven't been on lamma so don't have a clue how it's actually working.

Rubix
10-05-2012, 11:08 PM
I'm delighted... It's all important.

Agreed. The small stuff matters. Besides which, I'm getting mighty tired of having these awkward conversations with the captain every time I drop off the ship. It's like that guy who just won't quit talking to you, even when you try to walk away... creepy.


I got in after some more messing aroudn with the launcher..



I'm stuck on "Examine Programs" :mad:
What's the trick / tinkering needed?

ArkoHighStar
10-06-2012, 01:09 AM
Agreed. The small stuff matters. Besides which, I'm getting mighty tired of having these awkward conversations with the captain every time I drop off the ship. It's like that guy who just won't quit talking to you, even when you try to walk away... creepy.



I'm stuck on "Examine Programs" :mad:
What's the trick / tinkering needed?

try restarting your launcher every time you get stuck

fco-karatekid
10-06-2012, 01:33 AM
Orbs: Casters only? - or can anyone use one?


UI Change: "A sound now plays when a guild levels up or achieves an optional quest objective."
Maybe I missed something along the way, but how can a guild complete an optional? Or is that party-based as well, and the sound plays when the optional is done?

"New Offhand Item: Orbs. Orbs are a new type of offhand item for spellcasters to wield."

That's how I read it as well... casters needed a buff, dontcha see?

/sarcasm

fco-karatekid
10-06-2012, 01:37 AM
Ancient Giant Relics, Ancient Dragon Relics, Ancient Elven Relics, and all types of Dragonscales, are now ingredients instead of collectibles. The next time they are removed from a collectible bag, they will not be able to be placed back inside. Instead, they will be able to be placed into ingredients bags.
Dont like this.

tho it is more consistent, i don't know how it rated priority over other stuff.

fco-karatekid
10-06-2012, 01:53 AM
Agreed. The small stuff matters. Besides which, I'm getting mighty tired of having these awkward conversations with the captain every time I drop off the ship. It's like that guy who just won't quit talking to you, even when you try to walk away... creepy.



I'm stuck on "Examine Programs" :mad:
What's the trick / tinkering needed?

ddo's version of neeber.

Flavilandile
10-06-2012, 02:08 AM
Update 16 is on Lamannia for Early Preview.
You can find Release Notes at the following location: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=376774
Known Issues have not been finalized because it is still under production.

This is not the full update. More will be coming!

There might be some Dev events in the future, so keep an eye out for more information.

I'll see you online!


Hi Welcome to Lammaland coordination.

Sorry, but I have to ask that question :

Are you the noise made by Kookie or MajMal when we put too many presure on them ?



We just put Kookie in a different cage he was starting to go rabid.

I hope the cage is big enough, rabid Kobolds usually need a lot of room.


Yep, its WAY early.

The earlier the better.
That way more bugs will be squashed when it goes live and more things that will not work are fixed so that they work.

By the way the green ticks in front of Connect, Examine Program and Update Program are partially eaten by something in the launcher when it downloads U16... See I haven't started exploring that I already find problems *grins*

AuraAten
10-06-2012, 05:28 AM
Hmmm...most of this sounds nice...what about a destiny for the artificer? Or perhaps the Tempest Ranger? Ahh well skip em! The new class is what is important anyway....

DemonStorm333
10-06-2012, 06:18 AM
Was there finaly going to be a character whipe so I can bring th better versions of the toons I have on lama over to play the new stuff and will we finally get a new rAid????

legendlore
10-06-2012, 07:23 AM
Fatesinger's Bound Fate was incorrectly displaying +15% magic vulnerability, when it was in fact only +12%. The description has been corrected.
Don't lie to the player base, nothing good will come of it.

Instead explain the thought process behind the continuous nerfs in every single update to the Fatesinger destiny.


here are the last words regarding Bound fates percentages; (apparently beta isn't link quote able anymore, figures)

Bound Fate (Song)
Rank 1: A single target must make a Will save with a DC modified by the caster's Charisma modifier. On a failed save, the target is bound briefly to the spot, and for one minute is also 5% more vulnerable to Sonic, Cold and Electric damage, and has a -5 Spell Resistance. In addition, the creature deals -4 damage on attacks.
Rank 2: A single target must make a Will save with a DC modified by the caster's Charisma modifier. On a failed save, the target is bound briefly to the spot, and for one minute is also 10% more vulnerable to Sonic, Cold and Electric damage, and has a -10 Spell Resistance. In addition, the creature deals -6 damage on attacks.
Rank 3: A single target must make a Will save with a DC modified by the caster's Charisma modifier. On a failed save, the target is bound briefly to the spot, and for one minute is also 15% more vulnerable to Sonic, Cold and Electric damage, and has a -15 Spell Resistance. In addition, the creature deals -8 damage on attacks.

Later complemented by this;


Bound Fate: Grants vulnerability to all magic types.


So when the developer says it's 15% and the tool tip says it's 15% it's clearly a tool tip error, not a nerf, nothing to see here move along..

edit;
I'm getting really tired of the release notes putting things in a way as if it was intended that way all along when it clearly wasn't and it is a nerf to the ability. This has happened now on numerous occasions since the last two updates in particular and personally I think this isn't right, be honest tell it like it is in the release notes! This beating around the bush hoping players won't notice the nerfs helps no one.
end edit

oweieie
10-06-2012, 10:36 AM
Ugh orbs, implements, destinies, why are we getting all the bad 4E mechanics that WotC is in the process of ditching in 5E? Are they on sale or something? They don't fit 3E, they don't add to the game.

gphysalis
10-06-2012, 12:20 PM
Ugh orbs, implements, destinies, why are we getting all the bad 4E mechanics that WotC is in the process of ditching in 5E? Are they on sale or something? They don't fit 3E, they don't add to the game.

You think maybe DDO gets a discount for buying the licence to 4E mechanics that nobody likes?

That would be really funny

Aashrym
10-06-2012, 12:23 PM
Ugh orbs, implements, destinies, why are we getting all the bad 4E mechanics that WotC is in the process of ditching in 5E? Are they on sale or something? They don't fit 3E, they don't add to the game.

I actually don't mind the orbs. Not everything about 4E was bad. What confuses me is why we're seeing something for casters again already. There's just not a whole lot of buff wizards and sorcerer threads going on. ;)

And if this is part of move towards some 4E stuff then Turbine is far behind WoTC and should be discussing D&D Next implementations with them for plenty of development time, time that would be wasted if they were to be moving towards 4E. I don't think that's the case, however; it's likely a flavor item but I still don't understand the idea behind more caster options again.

Terebinthia
10-06-2012, 12:25 PM
For people stuck at the connect stage, a reboot fixed me. Didn't touch the live launcher before I tried again, in case that makes a difference.

I don't see the new pack in the DDO Store as of yet. Any idea when it will be available?

A character wipe would be a good thing if the character copy tool is working correctly. I just have a bunch of level 20s with no epic destinies lurking on there ATM....

Cernunan
10-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Ugh orbs, implements, destinies, why are we getting all the bad 4E mechanics that WotC is in the process of ditching in 5E? Are they on sale or something? They don't fit 3E, they don't add to the game.

The devs have stated in the past that they are using as inspiration any and all good ideas from any of the editions of D&D. They are not moving towards or converting to 4th Ed, they are simply trying to develop in new directions to add to the game.

As other posters have said,4th Ed may have been overall a mess and a miss, but it did have some decent ideas that can be used to make our game more interesting.

Scraap
10-06-2012, 02:32 PM
Ugh orbs, implements, destinies, why are we getting all the bad 4E mechanics that WotC is in the process of ditching in 5E? Are they on sale or something? They don't fit 3E, they don't add to the game.

I'll take a new trick over yet more renamed inflation any day of the week. Will admit I'd have preferred a ranged or even melee trick though.

Havok.cry
10-06-2012, 04:15 PM
I hope the orbs are not like rune arms requiring class levels to equip. That was imho the worst thing about artificers. Rune arms were the first and hopefully only item to ever only be able to even be equiped by a certain class. Please give them umd requirements to over come class requirements... That is after all the purpose of the skill. It is ******** that it cant do the same for rune arms. (my opinion of course)

Scraap
10-06-2012, 04:58 PM
I hope the orbs are not like rune arms requiring class levels to equip. That was imho the worst thing about artificers. Rune arms were the first and hopefully only item to ever only be able to even be equiped by a certain class. Please give them umd requirements to over come class requirements... That is after all the purpose of the skill. It is ******** that it cant do the same for rune arms. (my opinion of course)

Screenshot up at present says magical training only. Also says it adds to AC... query if anyone's got a level appropriate clonk transferred over: does it uncenter you and/or kill off the wis bonus?

Brennie
10-06-2012, 05:03 PM
Screenshot up at present says magical training only. Also says it adds to AC... query if anyone's got a level appropriate clonk transferred over: does it uncenter you and/or kill off the wis bonus?

So... too bad for bards then, huh?

Isn't it about time bards got magical training >_>?

Aashrym
10-06-2012, 05:26 PM
So... too bad for bards then, huh?

Isn't it about time bards got magical training >_>?

I would agree. It never made sense that they didn't get it in the first place.

Failedlegend
10-06-2012, 05:40 PM
C**p. Now I have to come up with yet another Lammaland specific “SOON™” variant for the new guy.

This is all I have so far:

SoDoon™
SOONofDoom™
SqueakofSOON™
SonofTHOON™


I like SqueekofSoon

Brennie
10-06-2012, 06:17 PM
I like SqueekofSoon

Or how about just "Squoon" or "Sqoon"?

GoRinNoSho
10-06-2012, 07:18 PM
Spoon?

Failedlegend
10-06-2012, 10:56 PM
Spoon?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m45ls648Z11qmykrbo1_500.jpg

scoobmx
10-06-2012, 11:24 PM
So... too bad for bards then, huh?

Isn't it about time bards got magical training >_>?

Nah, they'll get a special class-specific thing called musical training and then can use offhand items like lutes and banjos that require musical training

Phemt81
10-06-2012, 11:34 PM
it's a trap!

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/9/5/5/1/8/4/rofl-45191158071.gif

LrdSlvrhnd
10-07-2012, 01:41 AM
(moved over from the 15.2 thread, 'cause i thought that the release notes were part of that...)


"The Bard prestige enhancement Spellsong Vigor now works properly on Warforged."
-That's a great start! Can I hope that the coding for Sustaining Song is similar enough to be next?

"Fatesinger's Bound Fate was incorrectly displaying +15% magic vulnerability, when it was in fact only +12%. The description has been corrected."
-You couldn't have adjusted the ability to match the description? I mean, I know that bards are horrendously OP, but still...

"The Primal Avatar adds a hybrid spellcaster and melee destiny to the Primal Sphere. This destiny supports many play-styles and includes options for melee, spellcasting, healing, and supportive roles. Primal Avatar offers options to enhance fighting with two weapons or while in animal forms, as well as enhancing pets and summons."
-This, unless it's very well done indeed, strikes me as a perfect compromise: Nobody gets what they want and everybody's equally unhappy with it. However:

"Call forth natural allies to enhance and aid your party members."
-Does this potentially mean actually (or at least vaguely) useful ranger pets????

"Ancient Giant Relics, Ancient Dragon Relics, Ancient Elven Relics, and all types of Dragonscales, are now ingredients instead of collectibles."
-Yay, fewer collectibles! (Sidebar, can we start spelling 'em correctly in-game? This isn't Britain...) I have FAR more room inside ing bags than I do collectible ones! Will the giant be able to collect them from the ing bag better than he currently does?

"Beholders in the Airship portion of Acute Delirium now fall to their deaths properly if they are impaired before reaching the Airship."
-Yay! Bring out the Kukan-Do and paralyzers!

"Beholders in the Airship portion of Acute Delirium are no longer considered Extraplanar (due to being in Xoriat), and can no longer be banished."
-Awww, put away the Dismissing Strike and banishers... (Net win, I think... maybe)

"Misty now congratulates the party when they've sunk the enemy fleet."
-Good, I always thought she was a stuck-up elf...

"Cows are now oxen."
-Moooo, I mean boooo. Why spend time on this? The cows were great! That time could've been used to fix the "soliders of Shavrath" in ToD, or any number of other typos!

"Fixed some issues where certain NPCs could become unresponsive when players attempted to interact with them."
-Yay! Bring on the dragonslaying!

"Fixed an issue where players were having difficulty interacting with the Hag in The Hag's Prize random encounter."
-How 'bout the Hunter's Feast? It seems like it's never dark in the KF (Are there like 5 suns in the Realms?), and when it is dark... invariably, nothing happens other than a bit of a boost. But then it simply ends; no acknowledgement, no reward, no XP, nothin'. Every time I've tried it (when I've managed to find nighttime after running around at high noon for three hours...), it's been this way.

"Raid-givers, bulletin boards, pawnbrokers, vendors, collectors, Spirit Binders, and Quest Arc Givers now have new icons."
-I like this! (Once I figured out what the bulletin boards were...); it'll make it easier to ignore all those ads for far-off places when I'm looking for something local to do.

"A sound now plays when a guild levels up or achieves an optional quest objective."
-Level-up, yes. Optionals? That could get VERY old, very fast... especially for flower-sniffers like myself who don't simply zerg to the endfight and skip everything they can. And what happens when members of 12 different guilds in a PUG kill Sully in ToD? Do we get spammed by 12 echoing copies of the sound like the portals closing in DA?


Also: i like "SqueakOfSOON," with "SOONofDoom" a VERY close second

Dolphious
10-07-2012, 02:02 AM
Thank you for fixing spellsong vigor to work on WF!!!

SealedInSong
10-07-2012, 03:57 AM
Lots of people will be very happy if Primal Avatar does indeed cater well to TWF.

Siren's song really didn't need a nerf.

Devilteck
10-07-2012, 04:03 AM
Any one else getting stuck in log screen at connect? Played the other day when it came out with no problems but can't get in now.

Rubix
10-07-2012, 06:11 AM
Any one else getting stuck in log screen at connect? Played the other day when it came out with no problems but can't get in now.

Uninstall + re-install = problem sorted!

ChristianSal
10-07-2012, 10:43 AM
nope, that not solved.....already tried this =)

still stuck at connect.....boh

Ravoc-DDO
10-07-2012, 10:52 AM
So STILL no new enhancement system?

arminius
10-07-2012, 11:20 AM
Well. I guess now there really is no cow level.

ChristianSal
10-07-2012, 11:29 AM
lol that only can mean one thing....

the only cow in the game is that in the secret cow room =)

and no....the enhancement pass is not planned for be released this year

Devilteck
10-07-2012, 12:11 PM
Well not sure what is going on but if i launch the regular ddo launcher then close that one and launch the lamm one it works lmao.

HungarianRhapsody
10-07-2012, 12:42 PM
Squirrelcows were one of my three favorite improvements in U14.

I am very sad to see them go.

Innara
10-07-2012, 02:38 PM
Sirens Song also now allows for a recurring saving throw every three seconds.

Because Bards really are that OP and need this nerf.

Aashrym
10-07-2012, 02:53 PM
Because Bards really are that OP and need this nerf.

Well, apparently the ability to wipe out an enemy or group of enemies with a single spell or ability to neutralize them is not overpowered, but the ability to neutralize them with a single spell or ability in order to ignore them or wipe them out more slowly than instant death is.

I agree that the nerf wasn't needed.

Cordovan
10-07-2012, 03:23 PM
At home, I've been getting stuck on the Connect section of the launcher as well. However, simply closing the Lamannia launcher and restarting it has solved the problem. We'll look into it further, of course, but has this not worked for other folks?

Terebinthia
10-07-2012, 03:30 PM
At home, I've been getting stuck on the Connect section of the launcher as well. However, simply closing the Lamannia launcher and restarting it has solved the problem. We'll look into it further, of course, but has this not worked for other folks?

That didn't, but a cold reboot then a Lama client boot worked. I rarely reboot. If you guys are testing could be cross interference with the live and the Lama client perhaps?

Edit: I just tried to boot the Lama client after a live play session and experienced the same issue. I imagine if I reboot the system all will be well. I suspect something in the main client is hanging on to something the Lama client needs (in this Windows session I was able to run Lama then live, running Lama after live appeared to be problematic though).

Failedlegend
10-07-2012, 03:37 PM
So STILL no new enhancement system?



The new enhancements system will not be up for some time. We're planning on giving it an extended beta on Lamannia before going live with it - much longer than we traditionally have with our game systems.


Not for a while it seems...may not even see Lamania till next year and it plans to stay there for quite a while...which I approve of just to be clear

oberon131313
10-07-2012, 03:40 PM
At home, I've been getting stuck on the Connect section of the launcher as well. However, simply closing the Lamannia launcher and restarting it has solved the problem. We'll look into it further, of course, but has this not worked for other folks?

I somehow got into a state where the launcher couldn't save the data files for some reason, so I deleted Llama and re-downloaded and was able to get in.

DemonStorm333
10-07-2012, 03:42 PM
hey cordo can we get a character whipe on lamania please so we can bring our updated toons from live over to beta

Aashrym
10-07-2012, 03:51 PM
At home, I've been getting stuck on the Connect section of the launcher as well. However, simply closing the Lamannia launcher and restarting it has solved the problem. We'll look into it further, of course, but has this not worked for other folks?

I closed and reopened it and got past the connect section too. On a previous update for U10 or U11 (forget which) I did have the issue where I couldn't get past connect until another update to Lamma came out.

OldCoaly
10-07-2012, 03:54 PM
At home, I've been getting stuck on the Connect section of the launcher as well. However, simply closing the Lamannia launcher and restarting it has solved the problem. We'll look into it further, of course, but has this not worked for other folks?

This really should work the first time.

Suggesting that people start the launcher and then close it and try it again is... not very polished.

Please fix this.

btolson
10-07-2012, 04:07 PM
That didn't, but a cold reboot then a Lama client boot worked. I rarely reboot. If you guys are testing could be cross interference with the live and the Lama client perhaps?

Same. No number of client restarts worked until I rebooted the system. Couldn't find any stray processes that might have been responsible, so I don't know what the deal was.

goodoldxelos
10-07-2012, 05:06 PM
Nether scroll fragments... please tell me your not bringing Larloch into this. If he ends up as being an enemy i'd expect him to be an optional... and impossible optional.

Aashrym
10-07-2012, 05:43 PM
Resonance

Gain Harmonic Shield as a first level bard spell.

Each time you purchase the first rank of an enhancement in the spellsinger tree you gain +10 spell points and +1% to your universal spell power.



Wassail

Grants feat Brutal Throwing

Each time you purchase the first rank of an enhancement in the war chanter tree you gain 1 hit point.




So....did some other interesting tidbits sneak through? :D

EDIT: Please note I did not receive any benefits from those 2 enhancements that I noticed. They were free while leveling a new character up and appeared at 2nd level bard as free enhancements.

Buttkierownsmade
10-07-2012, 06:04 PM
hey cordo can we get a character whipe on lamania please so we can bring our updated toons from live over to beta

No, Please Dont i like my lammainia characters to stay were they are! Please Dont Wipe the server!

Scraap
10-07-2012, 06:17 PM
One thing I will echo, is that Use Magic Device really should let you use magic devices. If that means slapping on an arbitrarily high overage, like you did with arty scrolls so be it, but leave the eventual goal there for someone nuts enough to think they could get some use out of it.

TiranBlade
10-07-2012, 06:44 PM
http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o539/TiranBlade/Login%20Error/LoginError.jpg

I kept getting this message and the Launcher crashed and now I am unable to even load the launcher.

Saaluta
10-07-2012, 07:24 PM
I would love to see a character wipe sometime before the "more finished" version of U16 comes up on Lama. Would like to be able to use my mains from live to check the content rather than the piecemeal characters over here now :)

Saal :)

Sarnind
10-07-2012, 08:13 PM
for now nothing special, end game is again boring. Any chance to have a hander end game in this update? When u remove EN and EH diff?

Vordax
10-07-2012, 09:05 PM
for now nothing special, end game is again boring. Any chance to have a hander end game in this update? When u remove EN and EH diff?

Do you not understand that EN and EH are there for regular non-elite players to level up? Do you expect fresh to level 20's to get to level 25 running only EE? Or did you want to reserve level 21+ only for the elite players?

Vordax
10-07-2012, 09:05 PM
No, Please Dont i like my lammainia characters to stay were they are! Please Dont Wipe the server!

I would disagree here. Need a wipe so I can bring over my level 25's with ED's.

DemonStorm333
10-07-2012, 09:29 PM
WIHTOUGHT a doubt we need a wipe the toons i have on lama land were made back during motu closed beta before i finished tring my mains and they suck so a wipe is deffinatly needed

GeneralDiomedes
10-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Any word on the new monsters or quality of new content?

Shade
10-07-2012, 10:28 PM
Any word on the new monsters or quality of new content?

Seen zero feedback on the new quest so far..

Exactly why they need to start putting the adventure pack in the store soon as they bring the server up. Hardly gona be a very good test of content if the vast majority of players that do come to lamannia cant even try it.

Also find it quite sad everyone seems to think a character wipe is the only solution to get their updated chars from live to lamania. Tons of other mmos allow this as they have real functional character copy tools that aren so broken they require deleting peoples characters like ddos.

Ask for them to make the character copy tool work properly (eg allow resets, re attempts and multi transfers), not delete everyones characters.

blkcat1028
10-08-2012, 12:04 AM
Also find it quite sad everyone seems to think a character wipe is the only solution to get their updated chars from live to lamania. Tons of other mmos allow this as they have real functional character copy tools that aren so broken they require deleting peoples characters like ddos.

While I agree it's sad, it's also the only way we can have our level 25s to test the new material.

It would be wonderful for the character copy tool to function properly but I'd rather the devs spent their fixing the plethora of bugs affecting the game.

As it stands, we need a character wipe.

irnimnode
10-08-2012, 01:45 AM
I for 1 hope they do not wipe I like my chacters. Why can't they just fix the chacter copy for those of you that want to copy your toons over all though i do not understand why you would want to lose you main toon from live seems to be a total waste but if that is what you want ok i can live with it but I am hopeing they do not wipe those of us that put time into our chacters just so you can copy yours over just sayin. Have a good day and happy hunting

Brennie
10-08-2012, 01:53 AM
I for 1 hope they do not wipe I like my chacters. Why can't they just fix the chacter copy for those of you that want to copy your toons over all though i do not understand why you would want to lose you main toon from live seems to be a total waste but if that is what you want ok i can live with it but I am hopeing they do not wipe those of us that put time into our chacters just so you can copy yours over just sayin. Have a good day and happy hunting

Lamannia is not a "real" server, and should not be treated as such. Periodic wipes and server shutdowns/blackouts are part of it's normal cycle. Lamannia is for previewing, testing, and feedback/bug finding, not for people to treat like the game in proper.

Also, character copy doesn't erase a character from the lives serves, it merely duplicates it on lamannia. And feel free to try sentences, they really help with the whole communication thing :D

EDIT: I am assuming you don't want them to wipe Lamannia, inferring that you have characters you care about there. If you are saying you don't want them to delete characters on live, rest assured that will never happen. Live servers are entirely unaffected by all this talk of wiping and character copy problems :D

Flavilandile
10-08-2012, 02:23 AM
A Lammania wipe would be great...

As it stands I can't test any of the new things from U16 Unless a friendly Kobold sends XP my way.... but they are tough to find, especially when you leave in Europe.

So a wipe and a reset of the copy tool would be great.

Buttkierownsmade
10-08-2012, 07:36 AM
What's going on? I Can't. loggin to the server...

Buttkierownsmade
10-08-2012, 07:41 AM
I for 1 hope they do not wipe I like my chacters. Why can't they just fix the chacter copy for those of you that want to copy your toons over all though i do not understand why you would want to lose you main toon from live seems to be a total waste but if that is what you want ok i can live with it but I am hopeing they do not wipe those of us that put time into our chacters just so you can copy yours over just sayin. Have a good day and happy hunting

Yeah that's right you tell them! I agree with you.

irnimnode
10-08-2012, 08:47 AM
Getting the null thing so i am guessing they are finishing the u 16 update?? As far as the wipe i do not understand how this affects the character copy seem whether they wipe or not there is always somebody saying it did not work for them wipe or no wipe what i wonder is if they just fix the character copy. Also would like to know if the High Road quest are a adventure pack or do you complete the other 3 chain to do those quest?

DogMania
10-08-2012, 09:21 AM
All servers are down for maint.

Crazyfruit
10-08-2012, 10:35 AM
Are there any additions/changes to the monster manual?

I didn't see it referenced in the Release Notes or U16 Marketing page (http://www.ddo.com/update16). Also curious what those Tomes & Pets are if anyone has seen them in the llama store :)

brian14
10-08-2012, 10:57 AM
Ancient Giant Relics, Ancient Dragon Relics, Ancient Elven Relics, and all types of Dragonscales, are now ingredients instead of collectibles. The next time they are removed from a collectible bag, they will not be able to be placed back inside. Instead, they will be able to be placed into ingredients bags.
Dont like this.
Neither do I. Too many ingredients already, and collectable bags are easier to manage with their "tree structure".

bbqzor
10-08-2012, 12:24 PM
Yep, its WAY early.

So, on 10/5 its WAY early... and on 10/8, its "Soon" enough to have advertisements in my mailbox and patcher art letting people know its soon here.

Is 15.2 even on live servers yet? The patch notes were overwritten with the U16 ones and 15.2 never went in...

So whats the deal here. Is U16 "soon" or "way early"? Is 15.2 still coming? Is this a case of the marketing dept horribly jumping the gun, or can we expect another rushed, unfinished, poorly polished update? When should we expect U16 ballpark... Nov? Dec? Next week? =/

Nephilim77
10-08-2012, 12:32 PM
I just found something unexpected; When resetting the Primal Avatar destiny, up pops the future enhancement tree for dwarves Oo. How do I take a screenshot?

edit; fixed

oradafu
10-08-2012, 12:41 PM
Neither do I. Too many ingredients already, and collectable bags are easier to manage with their "tree structure".

Completely agree.

As you said, the "tree structure" for the collectables bag makes things so much easier than the ingredients bag. Plus it appears there's less of an explosion of new collectibles than ingredients to boot.

Flavilandile
10-08-2012, 12:49 PM
I just found something unexpected; When resetting the Primal Avatar destiny, up pops the future enhancement tree for dwarves Oo. How do I take a screenshot?

Depends on your shortcut.

Usually it's Ctrl-P or Shift-P

Failedlegend
10-08-2012, 01:23 PM
I just found something unexpected; When resetting the Primal Avatar destiny, up pops the future enhancement tree for dwarves Oo. How do I take a screenshot?

edit; fixed

Thats the second time we've gotten a accidental look at the future enhancements system.


Depends on your shortcut.

Usually it's Ctrl-P or Shift-P

Technically you can also just hit Print Screen if your in windowed mode to copy it.

Nephilim77
10-08-2012, 01:54 PM
Thanks Flavilandile and Failedlegend, I managed to stop being an idiot for a moment and actually look into the options menu :P I really should start looking there before asking inane questions. Lesson learned! There was some fun stuff in the enhancement tree though, apart from the stuff we have now.
While I was there I did catch something else I haven´t seen before. Something like "DNT enforce black market".

Curioser and curioser...

oweieie
10-08-2012, 03:27 PM
I just found something unexpected; When resetting the Primal Avatar destiny, up pops the future enhancement tree for dwarves Oo. How do I take a screenshot?

edit; fixed

Yikes, that looks super restrictive.

404error
10-08-2012, 03:48 PM
There are no plans to wipe the character database for a while. This can change if we need to wipe it for a patch.

Breca
10-08-2012, 04:17 PM
Resonance

Gain Harmonic Shield as a first level bard spell.

Each time you purchase the first rank of an enhancement in the spellsinger tree you gain +10 spell points and +1% to your universal spell power.



Wassail

Grants feat Brutal Throwing

Each time you purchase the first rank of an enhancement in the war chanter tree you gain 1 hit point.


So....did some other interesting tidbits sneak through? :D
.

These are a hint of things to come, though it's still very very early, and things are in flux...

Good Hunting!

Breca

Nephilim77
10-08-2012, 05:00 PM
Yikes, that looks super restrictive.

It´s early days yet. And keep in mind, this is only the race tree. It holds a path to stalwart defender as well, at rank three or four.

Aashrym
10-08-2012, 05:10 PM
Thanks Flavilandile and Failedlegend, I managed to stop being an idiot for a moment and actually look into the options menu :P I really should start looking there before asking inane questions. Lesson learned! There was some fun stuff in the enhancement tree though, apart from the stuff we have now.
While I was there I did catch something else I haven´t seen before. Something like "DNT enforce black market".

Curioser and curioser...

I saw a lot of DNT enhancements under an advanced weaponry category (might be named something slightly different since I'm at work and not looking now). I'm ignoring them and hoping they populate info soon.

Aashrym
10-08-2012, 05:15 PM
These are a hint of things to come, though it's still very very early, and things are in flux...

Good Hunting!

Breca

What would it take to request +2% spell power and plus 2 hp respectively? The numbers listed look small compared to the number of enhancements in the mock up; and the mechanic promotes less development in more types of enhancements, so might not be worth the trade off.

Even if it were +1 spell power per AP spent in the tree or +1 hp per AP spent in the tree with 41 to hit capstone that's still only a small bonus. Just sayin' ;)

It's never too early for feed back on bards. :D

-Avalon-
10-08-2012, 06:16 PM
Help the local Cormyrians fend off the Netheril Wizards


Really? Fighting the wizards of Netheril... why can't we help them instead? Or at least try to gain their powers...

I saw the new update was named something like, "The Netherese Legacy" and almost fell out of my chair... then I saw no new PrE "Shadow Mage" or new ED for becoming more like a Netherese Wizard... and kind of yawned...

Shadow-Mage != Palemaster... SM's are WAY better... if the Shadow Mage PrE ever got added, I actually may consider playing a pure wizard finally...

Cetus
10-08-2012, 08:29 PM
There are no plans to wipe the character database for a while. This can change if we need to wipe it for a patch.

Excellent, keep up the good work!

Aashrym
10-08-2012, 10:03 PM
Really? Fighting the wizards of Netheril... why can't we help them instead? Or at least try to gain their powers...

I saw the new update was named something like, "The Netherese Legacy" and almost fell out of my chair... then I saw no new PrE "Shadow Mage" or new ED for becoming more like a Netherese Wizard... and kind of yawned...

Shadow-Mage != Palemaster... SM's are WAY better... if the Shadow Mage PrE ever got added, I actually may consider playing a pure wizard finally...

I wouldn't expect any new PrE's or additional PrE development. It's pointless to spend time on more before the enhancement overhaul.

DemonStorm333
10-08-2012, 10:50 PM
There are no plans to wipe the character database for a while. This can change if we need to wipe it for a patch.

This make me sad bc I won't have a fit toon to test u16

Vordax
10-08-2012, 11:11 PM
This make me sad bc I won't have a fit toon to test u16

Won't be there either. They need to fix the transfer tool or wipe the characters. or make a NPC that gives XP.

DarkForte
10-08-2012, 11:16 PM
There are no plans to wipe the character database for a while. This can change if we need to wipe it for a patch.

Thanks for ensuring I won't test U16 on lammania.

Scraap
10-08-2012, 11:29 PM
There are no plans to wipe the character database for a while. This can change if we need to wipe it for a patch.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but does clearing the character clone tool necessitate clearing the db, or would it be possible to reset that, and let us kill off our old versions ourselves for a new copy-over?

Flavilandile
10-09-2012, 03:37 AM
Not to put too fine a point on it, but does clearing the character clone tool necessitate clearing the db, or would it be possible to reset that, and let us kill off our old versions ourselves for a new copy-over?

That would be a fine solution : no wipe and updated characters.

Tid12
10-09-2012, 04:04 AM
There are no plans to wipe the character database for a while. This can change if we need to wipe it for a patch.

Cool, you guys can test things for us.

Terebinthia
10-09-2012, 05:53 AM
Guys, I just logged on and there were a mighty 4 toons in Lama including myself. And still no new pack in the DDO Store, or any guest passes for it.

If you want us to take a look at this and bug report it sensibly, can you PLEASE get the capability to test this into the DDO Store?

Love and cupcakes,

Tere

Saaluta
10-09-2012, 08:34 AM
Guys, I just logged on and there were a mighty 4 toons in Lama including myself. And still no new pack in the DDO Store, or any guest passes for it.

If you want us to take a look at this and bug report it sensibly, can you PLEASE get the capability to test this into the DDO Store?

Love and cupcakes,

Tere

Agreed...we cannot test what we cannot do. :)

Saal :)

DemonStorm333
10-09-2012, 09:35 AM
Cool, you guys can test things for us.


i so agree here makes me sad but i hope we will have a wipe by u17 and all the winter fest testing

Havok.cry
10-09-2012, 02:53 PM
I also won't be testing anything on lammania due to no usable characters. I am not basing my schedule around when the devs feel like being around to pass out xp, and if I happen to stumble across one I'm not waiting the hour+ just standing there waiting for him to get to me. I value my time more than that. Maybe if you had a dev in every single public instance in the game 24/7 would I be tempted to. You want help testing stuff you should probably facilitate that help, not cater to people who want to play with freebie shinies.

anatomyofaghost
10-09-2012, 05:23 PM
Guys, I just logged on and there were a mighty 4 toons in Lama including myself. And still no new pack in the DDO Store, or any guest passes for it.

If you want us to take a look at this and bug report it sensibly, can you PLEASE get the capability to test this into the DDO Store?

Love and cupcakes,

Tere

This. A million times... this.

My2Cents
10-09-2012, 06:04 PM
I also won't be testing anything on lammania due to no usable characters. I am not basing my schedule around when the devs feel like being around to pass out xp, and if I happen to stumble across one I'm not waiting the hour+ just standing there waiting for him to get to me. I value my time more than that. Maybe if you had a dev in every single public instance in the game 24/7 would I be tempted to. You want help testing stuff you should probably facilitate that help, not cater to people who want to play with freebie shinies.

(Fwiw, the last time they had a levelling event, it was a dev on the island in the harbor and it took about 10-15 seconds from the time I arrived to receive full XP. I actually did it during work time :)

Silverleafeon
10-09-2012, 06:08 PM
Any idea what "new items in the DDO store including TOMES and companions" might be?

What kinda tomes?

The +3 are already in the DDO store?

So are the lesser/greater tomes of learning.

+4 tomes will not show up until +6 tomes start dropping in game and that will not
happen till the level cap is increased to 30 if it does happen.

So, what kinda tomes?

Cannot get on the Xoriat server cause the pandora's box will not open for me.
Peek around in the DDO store from time to time, I'm very curious.

Only probably thing might be an Lesser/Greater Epic Tome of Learning similar to the heroic ones?

Or a Lesser/Greater Renown Tome?

Or a Tome of Craftful Knowledge?

Hmmm...several good posibilities there...

djl
10-09-2012, 06:52 PM
It's likely +4 tomes, because they are already regular quest loot.

devlkiller0
10-09-2012, 07:57 PM
Unfortunately Poincelot is broken again.

Entelech
10-09-2012, 10:01 PM
Ancient Giant Relics, Ancient Dragon Relics, Ancient Elven Relics, and all types of Dragonscales, are now ingredients instead of collectables. The next time they are removed from a collectable bag, they will not be able to be placed back inside. Instead, they will be able to be placed into ingredients bags.

wait why are they now ingredients instead of collectables? they were fine in the sorted red bag instead of being in a super packed unsorted green bag.:confused:

I've got to admit: With all the broken, mangled code in the game, all the nonfunctional feats, broken enhancements, UMD lag, load screens that last for hours, etc... if anyone had come to me saying that this change needed to go live before all the rest of it, I'd have laughed in their face.

If I had been their manager, I'd have concluded that they were too stupid to work in my department.

This change is simply more evidence that Turbine's management team is cluelessly rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, rather than having the faintest idea what they're actually doing. Like we needed more evidence.

well...

Either that or this change was mandatory because it was the only way to fix the vanishing asteroids bug in the Abbot raid...

Entelech
10-09-2012, 10:07 PM
(Fwiw, the last time they had a levelling event, it was a dev on the island in the harbor and it took about 10-15 seconds from the time I arrived to receive full XP. I actually did it during work time :)

Hmm, your IT department has unusually lax security protocols, then.

In many office environments, attempting to install DDO on a work machine would result in a long discussion about appropriate computer usage from your manager...not to mention a popup message about you lacking administrator rights on the machine.

Bringing a personal laptop to work might be a better bet, depending on how they set up their firewall.

Failedlegend
10-09-2012, 10:23 PM
I've got to admit: With all the broken, mangled code in the game, all the nonfunctional feats, broken enhancements, UMD lag, load screens that last for hours, etc... if anyone had come to me saying that this change needed to go live before all the rest of it, I'd have laughed in their face.

If I had been their manager, I'd have concluded that they were too stupid to work in my department.

This change is simply more evidence that Turbine's management team is cluelessly rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, rather than having the faintest idea what they're actually doing. Like we needed more evidence.

well...

Either that or this change was mandatory because it was the only way to fix the vanishing asteroids bug in the Abbot raid...

Sound more like newbie/intern work or done by a dev that needed a break from a job that just wouldn't work.

ChristianSal
10-10-2012, 06:51 AM
logged out now from lamaland, and i have another rant to put out.....

stealth nerf to reconstruct

they have done what they saying time ago.....i used to heal 454 hp per reconstruct, now on lamaland only 292....

yay for stealth nerf.....

[I said something completely different!]

again....ok...at least can u guys use some time to speak with us and tell why this has to be nerfed?

and pls at least let u know....dun do stealth stuff....we dun like it

Silverleafeon
10-10-2012, 09:36 AM
I see background work for Epic Gianthold.
I want Epic Gianthold.

ChristianSal
10-10-2012, 09:41 AM
i want devs that listen to the majority of the players.....

but i belive that will probably learn to fly soon that this will happen

AlexMonk
10-10-2012, 03:32 PM
Come on guys (and gals) It's really hard to test stuff with such old copies of my mains. They've been there sence MotU beta. A wipe is just a good idea to clear out the dead wood.

ChristianSal
10-10-2012, 05:57 PM
be gentle....or they will edit ur post =)

legendlore
10-11-2012, 05:45 AM
These are a hint of things to come, though it's still very very early, and things are in flux...

Good Hunting!

Breca

Nice to see some changes in the works and saw this in another thread as well;



Wall of Sound
Creates a wall of sound This spell does 2 to 8 Sonic damage plus 1 additional point of damage per caster level (up to a max of 25 additional points at caster level 25) to enemies. Oozes are particularly susceptible to the pitch of the sound, and take an additional 2 to 8 Sonic damage. In addition, enemies caught in the Wall of Sound may begin dancing on a failed Will save, and become slowed thereafter on a failed Fortitude save.

Looks interesting, but the damage seems quite low, now it does scale better than ice storm but during heroic levels many bards will likely achieve higher damage by scroll casting Ice storm (with scroll enhancement line) that also slows enemies for 50% with no save at all.

Dancing can be achieved easily by bards anyway (the problem is usually cc:ing undead and vermin) if it got a faster casting than the disco ball it might help though.

The list of vulnerable monsters could be expanded as well, glass spiders for example. In pnp bards also have the spell "Shatter stone" that can auto-kill stone creatures with their sound (other classes have power word kill that kills any orange named monster without any save, so why not).


Looking forward to seeing more and personally I'm hoping for something along the lines of;

Master of musical magic
You are a master of musical magic blending song and magic flawlessly, all sonic and music based spells (such as the Otto's spells) are cast with an additional +2 DC and have a 50% chance of applying an additional effect of helpless, the chance of that this effect takes place scales with another 25% for every recurring failed save, as the targets are lost in an unrestrained dance or barraged by sound.

This would help a couple of things;
1. bards would get a more usable dc:s on their sonic (evocation) spells (bards are severely feat starved and it's not worth it currently to get sf:evocation on bards and the restrictions for spell school specialization in epic destinies made the gap even further between having and not having the feat).
2. Bards would get their variant of mass holds, Disco ball would have the advantage of longer lasting and after 3 failed saves it would have the same effect as a mass hold (50% damage vulnerability from helpless) but the disadvantage of being slow to cast and slower for the vulnerability to take effect. Spells such as Shout and Irresistible dance doesn't allow for recurring saves and thus only get the initial 50% chance to provide helpless effect, making a bards irresistible dance and shouts a bit better than wizards/sorcerers which I personally find thematically fitting to the bard class.

Aashrym
10-11-2012, 11:51 AM
Nice to see some changes in the works and saw this in another thread as well;



Looks interesting, but the damage seems quite low, now it does scale better than ice storm but during heroic levels many bards will likely achieve higher damage by scroll casting Ice storm (with scroll enhancement line) that also slows enemies for 50% with no save at all.

Dancing can be achieved easily by bards anyway (the problem is usually cc:ing undead and vermin) if it got a faster casting than the disco ball it might help though.

The list of vulnerable monsters could be expanded as well, glass spiders for example. In pnp bards also have the spell "Shatter stone" that can auto-kill stone creatures with their sound (other classes have power word kill that kills any orange named monster without any save, so why not).


Looking forward to seeing more and personally I'm hoping for something along the lines of;

Master of musical magic
You are a master of musical magic blending song and magic flawlessly, all sonic and music based spells (such as the Otto's spells) are cast with an additional +2 DC and have a 50% chance of applying an additional effect of helpless, the chance of that this effect takes place scales with another 25% for every recurring failed save, as the targets are lost in an unrestrained dance or barraged by sound.

This would help a couple of things;
1. bards would get a more usable dc:s on their sonic (evocation) spells (bards are severely feat starved and it's not worth it currently to get sf:evocation on bards and the restrictions for spell school specialization in epic destinies made the gap even further between having and not having the feat).
2. Bards would get their variant of mass holds, Disco ball would have the advantage of longer lasting and after 3 failed saves it would have the same effect as a mass hold (50% damage vulnerability from helpless) but the disadvantage of being slow to cast and slower for the vulnerability to take effect. Spells such as Shout and Irresistible dance doesn't allow for recurring saves and thus only get the initial 50% chance to provide helpless effect, making a bards irresistible dance and shouts a bit better than wizards/sorcerers which I personally find thematically fitting to the bard class.

A person can focus on sonic spells better looking at the spellsinger tree. +1 to all spell DC's, +1 to spell penetration, +2 CHA, 20% faster casting speed, and the option to increase school DC's in the tree at the expense of other school DC's including evocations. A lot of it looks pretty interesting. ;)