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stefferweffer
09-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Hey all,
I'm enjoying my 3 Wiz/1Rogue so far, and appreciate the advice you offered earlier. I spent money in the DDO store to get 32 point builds, and a I have a 3 Fighter and 3 Cleric now also.

But I am still Free to Play, even though I enjoy this game so much and play every evening. I am seriously thinking about becoming a "member". This is $10 a month, correct?

But I see all these races and classes that even the "VIP" people can't get access to, and it makes me wonder if it is really worth it. Furthermore, I can't find a good page that summarizes all the benefits that come with VIP status.

Can someone please explain succinctly what they think the best benefits are for paying the monthly fee? I'm leaning that way, but not unless there is a real tangible benefit to doing so.

Having said all that, what am I missing out on in F2P that I would receive in VIP? Thanks for your help/advice.

redspecter23
09-25-2012, 03:22 PM
If you've already made a purchase, that makes you premium. Your f2p days are behind you. In my opinion the only real benefit of VIP right now is that you can open elite on your first and second lives without any assistance. If you can afford $10 a month, but would find a $70 lump sum too big an investment, then VIP could be right for you.

Wait patiently while you're a VIP for a nice points sale, then drop to premium and buy out the adventure packs and account options you want. It's a much better deal in the long run, pricewise.

TheLordBear
09-25-2012, 03:26 PM
Vip can be worth it. It depends on how much you plan on playing. As a new player, the biggest advantage is getting all the content in one big swoop. You can then run any quest with any race and class (except Favored souls I think) to your hearts content. Note that the new Underdark stuff is an expansion pack and doesn't include VIPs right now either.

The other option is go premium, spend a few bucks on some of the packs/classes when you feel like it. Waiting for point sales and sales on items you want can save big bucks in the long run, but patience is a virtue here.

I was Premium for awhile, went VIP for a year and then bought out nearly all the packs/classes with my free TPs when I stopped being VIP.

Vips get a few other perks too, and if you really like the game its not a bad option at all.

Mathermune
09-25-2012, 03:34 PM
Hey all,
I'm enjoying my 3 Wiz/1Rogue so far, and appreciate the advice you offered earlier. I spent money in the DDO store to get 32 point builds, and a I have a 3 Fighter and 3 Cleric now also.

But I am still Free to Play, even though I enjoy this game so much and play every evening. I am seriously thinking about becoming a "member". This is $10 a month, correct?

But I see all these races and classes that even the "VIP" people can't get access to, and it makes me wonder if it is really worth it. Furthermore, I can't find a good page that summarizes all the benefits that come with VIP status.

Can someone please explain succinctly what they think the best benefits are for paying the monthly fee? I'm leaning that way, but not unless there is a real tangible benefit to doing so.

Having said all that, what am I missing out on in F2P that I would receive in VIP? Thanks for your help/advice.

I played VIP for a while but a change in careers meant I wouldn't be able to play as often. The only thing I miss is the ability to open elite difficulty on non TR characters.

If I were to do it all again, I'd get VIP for a month or two and not worry about anything apart from working out which adventure packs I enjoyed the most. I would save the 1000tp they give you and don't create characters that are P2P classes or races.

I would put the $10 a month I save from not being a VIP in the bank, then when there is a triple points offer grab however many points that got me.

Finally, drawing on my experiences as a VIP and playing through the quests I enjoyed the most. Use that to decide what adventure packs to buy with my turbine points.

Then I'd dance my way through the game, happy that I don't have to worry about having nothing should I need to cancel my VIP status for some reason.

unbongwah
09-25-2012, 04:08 PM
Furthermore, I can't find a good page that summarizes all the benefits that come with VIP status.
The DDO wiki is your friend: http://ddowiki.com/page/VIP

There's enough F2P content that you should be able to level to mid-levels easily, though you will have to do some grinding at higher levels. But that's plenty of time to decide if you like DDO enough to be worth shelling out moolah for it.

When it comes to unlocking P2P content, you have three options:

A) Favor-grind to earn TPs


Pro: costs nothing but free time
Con: takes a lot of your free time to earn enough TPs to buy anything (even when it's on sale), esp. if you're not able to elite-streak but have to do it old-school (N/H/E)
Verdict: only for the flat-broke OCD students with nothing better to do with their free time

B) Spend real moniez on TPs (aka Premium)


Pro: once you unlock something, it's permanently unlocked for your account on all servers
Con: can be a PITA to find groups to run only the content you own; more restrictive than VIP (e.g., no shared bank, fewer char slots w/out unlocking)
Verdict: good for the casual player or the cash-constrained, as you can "pay as you go" based on how much you play DDO

C) Sign up for monthly or annual subscription (aka VIP)


Pro: unlocks all pre-MotU content, most races & classes (drow, artificer, favored soul are the only ones you still have to unlock via Favor or Store), and various account goodies like extra character slots, shared bank, hard/elite difficulty unlocks, etc.
Con: like typical MMOs, you're only "renting" access to DDO, so you lose all your "special perks" if you cancel your sub, though your account isn't deleted; you can still play as a Premium account (but you will lose access to any chars w/P2P classes or races you haven't unlocked separately)
Verdict: good for the more "hardcore" players who spend a lot of time playing DDO (esp. if you love alts as much as I do :D) or tend to play more intermittently (e.g., sub for a couple of months every time new content comes out, quits until the next big update)

WargamerIV
09-25-2012, 04:16 PM
Vip can be worth it. It depends on how much you plan on playing. As a new player, the biggest advantage is getting all the content in one big swoop. You can then run any quest with any race and class (except Favored souls I think) to your hearts content. Note that the new Underdark stuff is an expansion pack and doesn't include VIPs right now either.


Actually VIP does't allow you to play artificer either.

I would suggest you try out the game a bit before spending too much or going VIP. Once you decide to spend some money, go VIP for a few months and try all the adventure packs/quests (that you can based on your level), then if you still like it a lot and expect to play a lot stay VIP, otherwise go back to premium (and feel free to switch every few months as RL means you can't play much) and buy the adventure packs you like. There is usually a nice sale (such as 25-30% off almost everything) every few months.

zeichen-thest
09-25-2012, 07:22 PM
My VIP ends in a few weeks and I am going to miss it.

Not only do you get to open on Elite, you also get to switch destinies in any public area without having to go to a fate spinner. Let me tell you that is invaluable when farming for destiny xp. If you have to run out to a fate spinner, that would take the time of at least 2 runs, losing 40k xp for the 5 minutes it takes you. Not a big deal in the grand scheme but when you are really grinding it out it adds up.

I too think that you should wait a little before investing. Do all the free conent, get up to at least lvl 12-14. But being VIP does give you the opportunity to try out every single pack. There should be a sale in december where you will get VIP for a year for like 80$. Or just do what I did and buy a 3 month subcription for 29.95. I think. Get your free 1500 points by the end of it and get the packs that you like.

shadereaper33
09-25-2012, 07:27 PM
As a guy who was VIP for almost a year, and then dropped down to premium, I would highly recommend NOT going VIP at this point. VIP, in my opinion, in is a good choice if you are new to the game and want to experience all of the content to decide if you like the game and want to continue playing. At this point, it sounds like you have already made the decision to continue playing the game, so my recommendation would be to save up some cash, and then buy some TP the next time they go on sale. Then use this TP to purchase content, preferably while the content is on sale. That is what I would do if I were in your position.

Memnir
09-25-2012, 07:35 PM
For me, immediate Elite unlocks makes it a worthwhile investment. I don't TR, I kinda hate it, but I really enjoy the whole Bravery Bonus thing. The 500 points a month is also nice, for when I want to save up for a tome of some sort. When my VIP lapses due to budget being tight, I admit to missing it - which is the best endorsement I have for VIP.



However, going VIP vs. Premium is a personal call. I'd say sign up for one month of VIP and see if you miss it when it expires. If so, pick it back up. If not - carry on as Premium. :)

Dysmetria
09-25-2012, 08:22 PM
However, going VIP vs. Premium is a personal call. I'd say sign up for one month of VIP and see if you miss it when it expires. If so, pick it back up. If not - carry on as Premium. :)IMHO this is not good advice, who wouldn't miss having all those perks and access to all that content? Missing them is why many fall into the trap of resubscribing month after month, even though they would prefer to be premiums instead.

From my point of view, if you plan to be a premium it is better to never be a VIP. It seems a waste to pay to rent the content you intend to purchase for the life of this game, and you won't miss the stuff you don't purchase right away or ever or can't purchase as much if you never had it to begin with.

Financially this decision comes down to how long you intend to play. After a year or two, you will pay less to purchase outright access to all the same things as a premium that a VIP gets from their subscription than a VIP would pay for that long in subscription fees. At that point if the VIP stops subscribing, they lose everything and are like a first day premium with no purchases, while if a premium stop paying at that point, they still have access to everything they bought for the life of the game.

The only thing you can not really buy as a premium that you get as a VIP is the ability to open on elite difficulty on the first two lives. How much you value that is up to you, many VIPs subscribe specifically for this one perk, while many premiums have played without it for years now.

Personally I'd recommend just playing as a premium, and if you make just one purchase now, get the standard edition of the expansion while it is half off at http://underdark.ddo.com/ It comes with 4 lower level adventure packs, a greater tome for your main, and 1000 TP which alone is worth more than the $25 price. But you also get the expansion and all of it's quests and raids, the epic destiny system, and druid class with it as well.

moops
09-25-2012, 08:45 PM
I look at it like the cost of VIP is the cost of one drink at a bar with Tip. Or if you include the 500 pts, then the cost of a s really cheap beer without tip since 600 TP is $8.00.

If you are not of drinking age, convert to Coffee drinks:)

I've always been VIP, and enjoy that I can run anything at any setting, any time with pugs or friends and just flip from quest to quest in different areas, as well as have 10 alts in all lvl ranges.

There are 2 different people that I run with, who do not own all the content, and this can be a real PITA sometimes, as the whole group either has to work around them or buy a pass for them. However, I have a guildie who is Premium, and it works out fine for him, but it seems that he mostly solos.

I do pug alot at lower to mid levels to try and help new people, and sine these quests go faster, and decent groups might stay together for 2 or so hours, we see alot of people have to leave because they don't own the content, and they seem so sad about it.

EDITED TO SAY--In simpler terms, I look at VIP DDO as entertainment cost, and what I spend on entertainment, a movie is $11+, a book usually 20+. If I only play a few hours a month, even then VIP is worth it. I don't look at it as what I am spending in the long term, I'm not looking to get ahead of the game and to be able to say that I spend less money than a VIP. Every night I stay in and game, I also prob save $40-50.

EnjoyTheJourney
09-25-2012, 09:02 PM
I started as F2P, realized I was probably going to want to continue to play, signed up for three months VIP at a discount price, confirmed that I wanted to stay longer term, and then switched to premium because the costs of being premium are so much lower than VIP, over the longer run.

As another possible consideration; when a bill doesn't show up every month on your credit card, no discussion about how to cut household expenses is likely to end up being focused on DDO -- in case that might matter, for the OP.

Just sayin' :)

Isolani
09-25-2012, 09:14 PM
Unlimited access to challenges was another nice perk for VIPs, so naturally, they nerfed challenges so heavily that I either don't do them at all or do them only 1 time now, defeating the purpose of the perk.

seebs
09-25-2012, 10:34 PM
I don't mostly justify game expenses in terms of money/reward; I mostly justify them in terms of "I am interested in funding this developer". So I'm a VIP and I bought a bunch of points for stuff anyway. And now I get more points over time, which I can use to buy stuff I care about, and pretty widely-unlocked stuff anyway.

Phemt81
09-25-2012, 10:54 PM
You are so rich and you don't know how to spend your money, so let's use it to keep the game we like running and healthy.

Did i convince you?

fco-karatekid
09-25-2012, 11:10 PM
My VIP ends in a few weeks and I am going to miss it.

Not only do you get to open on Elite, you also get to switch destinies in any public area without having to go to a fate spinner. Let me tell you that is invaluable when farming for destiny xp. If you have to run out to a fate spinner, that would take the time of at least 2 runs, losing 40k xp for the 5 minutes it takes you. Not a big deal in the grand scheme but when you are really grinding it out it adds up...

Disclosure: I am premium, so I am biased. Given the fact that grinding epic quests for Epic XP sometimes means epic resource (potion, wand, scroll, etc) use and damaged gear, I have NOT found that this would be a benefit for me - I gotta go to town one way or another.

As a premium who owns all content, I think my choice boils down to only two things I would have liked from VIP perks: Open Elite on 1st and 2nd lives and avoiding having bought some suckier packs (because I would have been able to play through them first) - Restless Isles and Catacombs, namely, but there are a couple others. Because whether or not a pack is any good is such a subjective thing, playing through all content first (maybe for a couple-three months) probably would have saved me 20-30 dollars x 3 accounts (mine, and my kids'). That's savings AFTER the subscription for that period of time. And as for opening Elite on first two lives - yah it would be nice, but not enough for the VIP, imho.

ddonoobgamer
09-27-2012, 01:44 PM
I mostly justify them in terms of "I am interested in funding this developer".

I'm sure the execs at Warners appreciate this. :)

Seriously, I don't really understand this type of thinking. Its like buying something at full price at Best Buy instead of buying it on sale because you're interested in funding the store. Even if that's your true intent, the money is probably not going to who you think its going to.

arminius
09-27-2012, 01:53 PM
For me the unlock on hard and elite is it. I was premium for like 3 years before they introduced that, and now I am back in the fold.

Titus_Ovid
09-27-2012, 02:14 PM
Just don't!

Cyr
09-27-2012, 02:30 PM
Most of my guildies are premium players who were VIP at one point.

I have not heard a single one sound dissatisfied with their choice to go premium.

If you do not play much premium is very clearly a superior choice financially.

If you play a ton, but do not plan on playing for long then VIP is probably your best choice financially.

If you plan on playing a while premium will win out everytime financially in the long term.

If you stay premium point pack sales and content sales are common and save you a HUGE amount if you wait for them.

Postumus
09-27-2012, 02:35 PM
IMHO this is not good advice, who wouldn't miss having all those perks and access to all that content? Missing them is why many fall into the trap of resubscribing month after month, even though they would prefer to be premiums instead.



Oh no! The horrible $120/year trap has me aaaaaahahhhhhhhhhhhh......... :P


OP: If you enjoy playing with other folks, I suggest getting into a static group or guild (or both). If you still find yourself playing a few times a week then a trial VIP is a good way to play all of the content and see what races/classes/content you think is worth purchasing and what isn't.


Pay as you go isn't bad either though if you are progressing slowly or playing solo.

countfitz
09-27-2012, 02:51 PM
If you REALLY want me to convince you:

The game is dying (DOOOooOOmMM!1!!!!1!) so buying everything by going premium, for a few months before the game is shut down like City of Heroes, is not worth it.

OR

Turbine is FINALLY going to give VIPs some benefit that makes supporting Turbine every single month worth while!

/end sarcasm



But in all reality, Premium is the way to go.

susiedupfer
09-28-2012, 06:55 AM
I think going premium is the best decision in game I ever made. I own all content currently(Three Barrel Cove and Restless Isles should be the LAST packs you buy, if you ever even decide to). I was F2P for a long time. I earned favor(grind, grind, grind) to buy my first few packs. I spent a small amount to get several packs when they went on sale, then more packs when I got more money, etc. I bought MotU pre-buy. I save my TP earned by favor to buy non-consumables like more packs, etc. I do think you should go premium at least. It gives enough perks to make it worth your while.

Emizand
09-28-2012, 07:11 AM
Go VIP, I will be your friend and give you cookies and milk.

Did that work? Its the best I have got sorry.

Missing_Minds
09-28-2012, 08:17 AM
Hey all,
I'm enjoying my 3 Wiz/1Rogue so far, and appreciate the advice you offered earlier. I spent money in the DDO store to get 32 point builds, and a I have a 3 Fighter and 3 Cleric now also.

But I am still Free to Play, even though I enjoy this game so much and play every evening. I am seriously thinking about becoming a "member". This is $10 a month, correct?

But I see all these races and classes that even the "VIP" people can't get access to, and it makes me wonder if it is really worth it. Furthermore, I can't find a good page that summarizes all the benefits that come with VIP status.

Can someone please explain succinctly what they think the best benefits are for paying the monthly fee? I'm leaning that way, but not unless there is a real tangible benefit to doing so.

Having said all that, what am I missing out on in F2P that I would receive in VIP? Thanks for your help/advice.

How long do you think you'll actually be playing DDO? What is your normal life span of a game? If it is only a year or two, going ViP will be cheeper than buying points and picking/choosing. There is that much content now.

As for what you can't get, Drow. Easy to grind for. Darn easy.
FvS and Arti. Save your points as being a ViP and buy them. You could grind out the favor if you want, but for a new player, faster to buy them.

Once you get into Epics, you'll have a few perks with your EDs that you wouldn't have as a premium.
ViP can open quests on any difficulties, and move around in none combat regions 10% faster. (big deal)

Beyond that, ViP for just one month will show you a lot of the game without going "can I get into it?" I would suggest it when you start running quests out in the Marketplace.

edit: unless you just plan on buying stuff on sale. Of which the US will be having several sale holiday time periods soon (being relative) with December being the major one. If you can wait, getting stuff on sale may be the way to go if you forsee yourself returning to this game after a break.

rattlesnake21
10-01-2012, 03:09 PM
Hi. I'm new to the game. Been playing it for a few days now and have a L3 fighter. I have enjoyed the game and am considering becoming a member. I'm not sure which membership would be best for me though. I am thinking VIP. $100/year. But could someone tell me how much it costs to buy all of the worthwhile content as a premium member? I saw that the max coins you can buy at 1 time is $200! I know I don't want to spend that much :)

Thanks!

P.S. The game seems immensely quest heavy. Unlike say, Diablo 2. Is the entire game this way or is there more ability to just explore later on?

unbongwah
10-01-2012, 04:11 PM
P.S. The game seems immensely quest heavy. Unlike say, Diablo 2. Is the entire game this way or is there more ability to just explore later on?
There are currently 28 explorer areas (http://ddowiki.com/page/Wilderness_adventure_area): 5 free, the rest P2P. I believe it is still possible to make it to level-cap just by farming the explorer areas ad nauseum for XP without ever running a single quest.

That said, yes, DDO is very heavily focused on instanced quests; the vast majority of the content (not to mention most of the best loot & XP) come from quests / raids, not the explorer areas.

dterror
10-01-2012, 04:40 PM
The cost to purchase nearly everything a vip gets will run something like $500 or $600 at the last tally that I saw...but that is only if you bought EVERYTHING and at full price. There are many packs that are infrequently run, if ever and thus could be set aside to only purchase when on sale (if at all). It's unlikely you'll use all of the premium races included with vip (warforged, half elf, half orc). There are 2 premium classes (monk, druid) that you would have to purchase w/o vip.

I speak as a current and long time VIP member: I would recommend subscribing for a month or two to give VIP a trial run, and if you decide you like all the benefits of being VIP then go for the 1 year sub.

If you decide there's a lot of content you could do without, then drop back to premium status. You'll have more content available to you as a premium member than you do as a free to play...and gain the benefit of being able to purchase what content you want on a permanent basis, something we VIP are unable to do.

rattlesnake21
10-01-2012, 05:21 PM
The cost to purchase nearly everything a vip gets will run something like $500 or $600 at the last tally that I saw...but that is only if you bought EVERYTHING and at full price. There are many packs that are infrequently run, if ever and thus could be set aside to only purchase when on sale (if at all). It's unlikely you'll use all of the premium races included with vip (warforged, half elf, half orc). There are 2 premium classes (monk, druid) that you would have to purchase w/o vip.

I speak as a current and long time VIP member: I would recommend subscribing for a month or two to give VIP a trial run, and if you decide you like all the benefits of being VIP then go for the 1 year sub.

If you decide there's a lot of content you could do without, then drop back to premium status. You'll have more content available to you as a premium member than you do as a free to play...and gain the benefit of being able to purchase what content you want on a permanent basis, something we VIP are unable to do.

Thanks for the 2 replies. The $500-600 remark is what I thought all of the stuff might cost. I will probably do as you suggest and get the short subscription and then get the year subscription after I play it a bit more to see if I really like it. I don't think I have come across anything yet where having a membership would help since I'm just a L3 fighter in the harbor. It will take me a good while to finish that up =)

Thanks again

der_kluge
10-01-2012, 06:39 PM
Let's see if we can break this down.

All packs costs 19,890 turbine points. Yes, that's a lot. That assumes you bought the entire MoTU expansion, and the Necro bundle.

1,990 TP for the challenge packs.

You really shouldn't have bought 32 pt. build. You can earn that in the game for free. But oh well. Actually, I can't really talk. I'm pretty sure I bought it so I could make 32 pt. characters on other servers.

Character slots are 625. I bought two. I'd recommend at least two for mules. 1,250 TP.

Half-bloods bundle is 1,795.
Monk and Artificer are 1,990 points. Earn Favored Soul. Earn drow. If you want warforged, that's another 995.

shared bank is 1,495. Yes, you'll want it.

I've also purchased 2 bank upgrades for 2 different characters, and inventory upgrades for 2 characters. But those are optional. I've also purchased huge bags for both of those characters, a handful of hirelings, spirit cakes, and that's probably about it.


19,890 + 1,990 + 1,250 + 1,795 + 1,990 + 995 + 1,495 = 29,405 turbine points

NEVER pay full price for anything if you can avoid it. Only buy stuff when it's on sale for 20% off. So, a 20% discount on that equates to 23,524 turbine points.

Now then. An easy math for $ to TP is about 100 TP per dollar. In reality, that's pretty bad, but for our purposes, we'll use that as our baseline. If you're willing to spend more, you can get a better return, but you can get 5,000 points for $50, so it's a good baseline, and the math is easier.

So, to acquire 23,524 points, you need to spend $235.

Yes, that's expensive for a video game. But, you own the game forever and as a form of entertainment, spread out over years and years, it's pretty cheap.

So, I've bought most of that stuff above (minus warforged, and the latest pack), but also extra stuff (bags, cakes, hearts of wood, etc.) so I've probably spent $300 - but that's spread out over 3 years of playing. I've also earned LOTS of favor in game, too. My FvS had over 3,400 favor when she TR'd - that's 850 turbine points from that life alone. That was her 2nd, and it was two lives ago. My wizard just hit 2,900 favor, which should have netted me another 725 turbine points.

So, to me, the cost is about the same. I've spent $300 (give or take) and have spread that across 3 years of play (36 months). That comes out to $8.33 per month for me. It's a cheaper option, IMHO.

For me, premium is the best choice, because I'll own the entire game forever. I could literally play this game for 10 more years, and never spend another dime on it. I also like being able to pay on my own schedule -if I have extra money, I might put $20 on it, or I can take advantage of point bundles when they go on sale on my terms, versus just having $10 withdrawn every month on Turbine's schedule.

So, that's my $0.02.

Stoner81
10-04-2012, 12:38 PM
As others have said try going VIP for just a month and see how it grabs you, this is exactly what I did and love being VIP! I dropped down to Premium because I could not afford it that particular month and it drove me insane not being able to do a mountain of content I had done previously.

I have since paid for the 3 month option which is pretty cheap considering everything, I play a lot so paying every 3 months is a good deal to me :)

Stoner81.

stefferweffer
10-04-2012, 01:05 PM
Thanks for all the great replies.

Any idea when DDO will offer a lifetime sub? I would be more interested in a large one time purchase than forced into $10 a month for infinatum.

gphysalis
10-04-2012, 01:10 PM
Can someone please explain succinctly what they think the best benefits are for paying the monthly fee?

Elite difficulty unlocks without TRing.

If you don't feel you need that, you can get most things from premium.

In addition, VIP doesn't get you some of the MOTU stuff

Stoner81
10-04-2012, 01:56 PM
Thanks for all the great replies.

Any idea when DDO will offer a lifetime sub? I would be more interested in a large one time purchase than forced into $10 a month for infinatum.

I highly doubt this will ever happen would be nice if it did though :)

Stoner81.

SuperPrincessMadison
10-10-2012, 10:46 AM
After your VIP status wears off, do you lose access to the races/classes you get, and thus cannot play any half-elf characters, etc, anymore?