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random31
09-13-2012, 03:17 PM
Is it worth playin an elf for he scimi bonus? or to much time in animal form to be viable?

sigtrent
09-13-2012, 03:51 PM
I think if you are going elf for the scimi bonus you want to plan on playing in elemental form rather than in animal form.

Animal forms are great for melee damage and durability, but they are kind of bad for spell casting. The elemental forms are more for the caster specialist druid that goes all in on wisdom and uses feats to enhance casting.

Of course at that point one wonders... why worry about scimitar damage? Which is a good question. I think the answer is that druids have shallow spell point pools so you want a low SP way to deal with trash mobs and the like.

I built an elf druid for the scimitar bonus and went with 2 monk 18 druid. My plan is to use the flame blade spell almost exclusively and to use the elemental forms at high level. At lower level I don't use an animal form. The natural dex makes TWF an low cost investment and the monk provides two of the 3 feats needed. I can maximize wisdom and thus ignore the need for strength or much dex beyond the 17 base I need for the feats. (I do have 13 str for Power Attack)

The monk levels also leverage wisdom for AC, and the dex doesn't hurt. Monk also grants a wisdom bump to help with casting.

Mine is only level 8 at the moment but she does great melee damage at that level, has decent defenses, and can do some good spell damage and healing. She's better than my two animal form druid builds in pretty much every way possible but raw HP.

How that will play out at 20... not so sure, but I think it should work as her casting will pick up importance and the melee will be less but still available as pretty good DPS for trash.

You could go non-elf on that and be nearly as good, but I like to find any excuse I can to make an elf... and there aren't very many these days. :)

I can say I really like playing the character, it feels fairly powerful and its fun.

stats I think were something like
str 13, dex 15, con 13, wis 18, cha 8 int 8 (I'm assuming a +2 tome for dex later to get ITWF) All level ups in wisdom

Feats were... 1st: toughness, monk:1 TWF monk 2: Power attack, L3: Empower spell, L6: Maximize spell

From there 9 ITWF, 12(Improved crit, extend, MT, not sure) 15 GTWF, 18 (not sure yet), 21 (not sure), 24(not sure)

I didn't plan everything out in detail but there are plenty of good options.

Ryiah
09-13-2012, 04:19 PM
Is it worth playin an elf for he scimi bonus?

I went Elf for this reason. It costs a total of 6 AP so it might seem a bit expensive.



or to much time in animal form to be viable?

I don't intend to use animal forms. Instead I'll focus on a combination of Flame Blades for melee and spell casting. So I'll probably end up using one of the elemental forms instead.

Innara
09-14-2012, 03:00 AM
~ A lot of useful info ~

This whole post actually answers a bunch of questions I had asked a while back, so thanks!

One thing though, for imp crit, you would take slash? Since faeblade isn't considered slash damage I was wondering how this applies.

TreknaQudane
09-14-2012, 03:59 AM
Animal forms are great for melee damage and durability, but they are kind of bad for spell casting. The elemental forms are more for the caster specialist druid that goes all in on wisdom and uses feats to enhance casting.

I would disagree with that.

I'd rather go Bear/Dire Bear and use spells with a longer cooldown but no CL penalty, having more Physical Resistance and the option for melee if it's needed. As opposed to the elemental forms taking a -3 penalty to the CL of your off element spells all for a lousy +1 CL to one element paired with the +10 inherent resist... and -10 inherent resist. The spells you unlock using those forms are not really exceptional or worthy of loading.

ValenGodspeed
09-14-2012, 04:20 AM
Is it worth playin an elf for he scimi bonus? or to much time in animal form to be viable?

Depends on what kind of driud you want to be playing.
I made mine caster specced and is very fond of the elemental from with a decent scimitar. I have for instance found a new love for my vorpal, smiting and disruption scimitars. Anyway leveling to 13 seems a rather trivial task on a caster that have access to firewall and ice storm - so I didn't really use the animal forms to much. At level 13 I took fire elemental, and contrary to the experience from another poster, going melee in fire elemental with firewalls and body of the sun (Which I find more than worth the 40 SP) makes very short process of most things at level on elite.

Do note that the benefits are more than just the benefit to resistance and casterlevel - and the ditto malice to cold, you also get 100% stacking fort - and with some investment you almost never get knocked down. I found this a very viable way of leveling. Oh and even with the malice to cold spells, maxed empowered Greater Creeping Cold is still more or less fire and forget on most targets.

So depending how much you rely on Scimitar damage compared to spell damage and instakill you have to evaluate if its worth the APs - the amount of spell regeneration you have (torc + conc opp) does have infulence on this decicion aswell.
I personally figured that I would rather have the extra feat from human than the scimitar damage from elf.

chrisdinus7
09-14-2012, 11:18 AM
For leveling, fire elemental form + the melee PRE to pick up reaving roar is very good. I recently did 2 TRs through druid with that tactic. Body of the sun soul is a gret dps spell for zerging, and reaving roar adds free bursts of damage when you get kills. The caster PRE is fairly weak anyway.

As to Ice ele, I have been unimpressed for leveling. But the Freezing Spray cold debuff should be good in raid groups with arcanes to boost their cold DoT damage. I used flame blade, but to be honest, its contribution was pretty minimal.

Ryiah
09-14-2012, 12:10 PM
Anyway leveling to 13 seems a rather trivial task on a caster that have access to firewall and ice storm

My method so far has been to zerg around grouping up enemies, kill one of them to proc a Reaving Roar, and then repeat the process until they're all dead. :D

Feralthyrtiaq
09-14-2012, 12:27 PM
Simply for....

Mantle of the Icy Soul:

Valid Forms: Water Elemental. You are shrouded in the mantle of the icy soul. The targets of your cold spells take a 25% penalty to movement speed, a 10% penalty to attack speed, and a -4 penalty to reflex and fortitude saves.


It's so elfing effective Ice Storm => Mobs move at CRAWL, the Earthquake keeps em down to MELT in Storm of Vengeance.

Freezing Spray at a distance => Dot w/e Works GREAT


I just leveled my 7th life as a Horc 1Fighter/19Druid Season's Herald 1&2/Epic 5 Shiradi Champion=>3 Legendary Dreadnought

PL:Barbarian, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, Khopesh, IC: Slash, Maximise, Quicken, Empower Heal Spell (at 21)

I found the animal form attack animation didn't jive with my playstyle. I only used Meta'd spells when I needed to all out nuke but found all the extra procs from the Shiradi line really added up.

Actually the FIRST caster I enjoyed playing DESPITE.....You are not facing.....Out of range....You are not facing....Out of range....

And am planning on a TR of my 1st life drow cleric to a 2 Monk/18 Druid similar to sigtrents (which I found very helpful as I've been mulling over ideas all morning)