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Spoprockel
05-12-2012, 06:46 PM
Please change the rune turn-in.

After roughly 300 Prey runs and several SOS runs over the last 2 weeks i'm still looking for one Sovereign rune that won't drop for me.

I got every other sovereign rune several times. Never the one i'm after.

Make it 20 or even 50 tempest runes to turn in for one specific rune or a list of runes.

Everything is better than those altars. Those horrible, horrible altars... i hear their laughter behind my back...


Has anyone seen Tharnes sovereign rune drop since update 13?
I'm starting to believe it got erased from the loot tables somehow.


Off to run another 300 preys, or whatever it takes to get my rune.

axel15810
05-12-2012, 07:26 PM
Honestly you've done that many prey runs? If you still haven't gotten the sovereign you want after 300 prey runs and many SoS runs and that's incredibly unbelievably bad luck I'm sorry. Especially since you can grind unwanted sovereigns back into several eldritch then to tempest then back to sovereign.

Xynot2
05-13-2012, 08:18 AM
Honestly you've done that many prey runs? If you still haven't gotten the sovereign you want after 300 prey runs and many SoS runs and that's incredibly unbelievably bad luck I'm sorry. Especially since you can grind unwanted sovereigns back into several eldritch then to tempest then back to sovereign.
Expound- If he's really done this many runs and doesn't know that you can crunch 3 of one type into 1 of another type in the *shrines* then he's not asking questions, never been told or just slow and needs an explanation as to how this works.

To OP: (slow was a joke) run the Ice one on casual as it always gives a rune. Crunch all of those into the runes you want. With 300 runes you should be able to get the runes you want with no problem.

Spoprockel
05-13-2012, 11:31 AM
I crunched so many runes my wrists hurt.

I do know i can crunch 3 tempests (the ones from the 300 prey runs) into sovereign. I did so.

I do know i can break down the sovereigns into eldritch/tempest runes. I did so.

I crunched everything i got. It took more than 300 prey runs.


Now i finally got the sovereign rune i was looking for. But it was not pretty.


Please change the mechanics to a list of at least 3 Sovereign runes for 3 tempest runes (pick one of those 3).

gDra
05-13-2012, 12:07 PM
That would be nice. Or let the end reward list for every third completion contain a list of runes that you can get in the quest.
It's the same system that many other quests have now.

Grats on your Tharnes rune. I never saw one.

axel15810
05-13-2012, 12:11 PM
I crunched so many runes my wrists hurt.

I do know i can crunch 3 tempests (the ones from the 300 prey runs) into sovereign. I did so.

I do know i can break down the sovereigns into eldritch/tempest runes. I did so.

I crunched everything i got. It took more than 300 prey runs.


Now i finally got the sovereign rune i was looking for. But it was not pretty.


Please change the mechanics to a list of at least 3 Sovereign runes for 3 tempest runes (pick one of those 3).

Sorry, just bad luck I guess. I've made 3 or 4 sets of DT armor and have always gotten the sovereign I want in under 25 Prey runs for each toon. Maybe I've been lucky. They should make the end reward list on SoS give you the option of any sovereign after some x number of completions to prevent this.

Gurei
05-13-2012, 08:30 PM
That would be nice. Or let the end reward list for every third completion contain a list of runes that you can get in the quest.
It's the same system that many other quests have now.

Grats on your Tharnes rune. I never saw one.

YES! This idea is f***ing brilliant, add Reaver's Refuge quests to the quest completion list! Absolutely no reason not to, fits perfectly with the type of grind that's needed for DT armor/runes.

/signed

Kromize
05-14-2012, 06:38 AM
Has anyone seen Tharnes sovereign rune drop since update 13?
I'm starting to believe it got erased from the loot tables somehow.

My last two rues, in a row, were tharnes (few weeks ago)... Crunched em up good...

Your luck is terrible, try breaking a few mirrors to reverse the effect...

Xynot2
05-14-2012, 10:04 AM
That would be nice. Or let the end reward list for every third completion contain a list of runes that you can get in the quest.
It's the same system that many other quests have now.

Grats on your Tharnes rune. I never saw one.

DING! We have the winner!
/signed

Isolani
05-15-2012, 12:14 PM
They should just make it so you can trade runes. Problem solved. I've got hundreds of runes in my ingredients bag that I'm never going to use, but somebody else might want them.

countfitz
05-15-2012, 02:49 PM
That would be nice. Or let the end reward list for every third completion contain a list of runes that you can get in the quest.
It's the same system that many other quests have now.

This. Now that everyone's running around with a Terror and, at level 5, a freaking +6 stat enhancing ioun stone, can we get a every third end reward from SoS? The flagging process alone makes it worth that much, at the very least. I mean, every third SoS would be at least 12 quests being run.

Let's make that happen!

Bogenbroom
05-15-2012, 03:33 PM
You know... I am not generally much in favor of automatic rewards. I don't believe some is every *entitled* to a drop because they've run something X number of times... *HOWEVER* the precedent for this is more than set in the IQ/DD. And SoS is a *huge* pain to get a group for.

As a general principle tweaking the requirement for for older quests (since the groups for them tend to be more limited) is an understandable and reasonable thing to do. Whatever approach is taken is fine, but I think it is a reasonable request to do something.

Rumbaar
05-15-2012, 05:24 PM
I remember when the runes were generic and you weren't able to know what they did until you actually tried to equip it to armor slot ...

Ganolyn
05-15-2012, 07:33 PM
I remember when the runes were generic and you weren't able to know what they did until you actually tried to equip it to armor slot ...

I remember when phones had cords and used a rotary dial. What's your point?

Condsidering that there are many sources of runes and that you can convert them, I am not in favor of a "three times and you win" approach, but I would like a directed crafting system that allows you to either have recipies that allow you to put certain runes together with an ingredient and get what you want (right now it is totally random) or go to the DT rune NPC and trade 50 DT --> 1 Eldritch, 25 Eldritch --> 1 Tempest and 10 Tempest --> 1 Sovereign. The entire list for each rune should show up in the window, not just some.

Rumbaar
05-15-2012, 07:38 PM
I remember when phones had cords and used a rotary dial. What's your point? You even had to re-flag each time to run SoS too.

So they've made it a lot easier. Maybe if they introduce the 20th completion all raid items feature, they'll allow you to choose a rune of your chose after x amount of runs or similar mechanic.

Ganolyn
05-15-2012, 07:55 PM
You even had to re-flag each time to run SoS too.

So they've made it a lot easier. Maybe if they introduce the 20th completion all raid items feature, they'll allow you to choose a rune of your chose after x amount of runs or similar mechanic.

It took me over a year to finish my DT armor after they "made it easier". I must have crushed 5000+ DT runes worth to finally get what I wanted. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes the loot gods spit on you. I don't think that much effort should have to be put in for armor that is not even end game anymore. We have directed crafting in every other part of the game that gives you a light at the end of the tunnel. Some things (CC gear) you can finish in an afternoon if you put your mind to it. There is no reason to keep DT armor trapped in the dark ages. My suggestions would still require some effort be put into it while not making it a treadmill of boredom.

Rumbaar
05-15-2012, 08:09 PM
It took me over a year to finish my DT armor after they "made it easier".There are people that are still after their TOD rings, after years. So yes unnecessary and random grinds are the bane of this game.

Vellrad
05-15-2012, 08:21 PM
You can trade 50 draconics for eldritch, would be nice to get similiar mechanic for tempest and sovereign, for example 200 draconic runes = 1 tempest rune of player's choice out of 10 or 15 options on list. 666 draconic runes = 1 sovereign of player's choice out of 10 or 15 options.

Rumbaar
05-15-2012, 08:43 PM
You can trade 50 draconics for eldritch, would be nice to get similiar mechanic for tempest and sovereign, for example 200 draconic runes = 1 tempest rune of player's choice out of 10 or 15 options on list. 666 draconic runes = 1 sovereign of player's choice out of 10 or 15 options.Can't you trade 3 Eldrich for 1 Tempest and 3 Tempest for 1 Sovereign?

So that's current cost of 50 -> 150 -> 450?! You want to change to 50 -> 200 -> 666 ?

Ganolyn
05-15-2012, 08:56 PM
Can't you trade 3 Eldrich for 1 Tempest and 3 Tempest for 1 Sovereign?

So that's current cost of 50 -> 150 -> 450?! You want to change to 50 -> 200 -> 666 ?

Yes, but switching it to a "for sure" system would require upping the cost a bit. It should be some work. No one would start with DT runes after the first time where you get your armor blank. They would run the EtK and PotH a few times for E's and T's and get it too easily.

Xynot2
05-16-2012, 07:09 PM
how about crafting for a specific rune?

healing amp sovereign requires x number of the others? Then it's not a random waste of time.

Edit: And for those talking about 3x complete list- what about changing shroud so we never have to run it again either? Just run one of the simpler quests to get what we need. *sarcasm off*

Crafting has ruined a lot of quests so they have to do something to make the quests worth doing.

Thanquil
05-16-2012, 07:17 PM
Please change the rune turn-in.

After roughly 300 Prey runs and several SOS runs over the last 2 weeks i'm still looking for one Sovereign rune that won't drop for me.

I got every other sovereign rune several times. Never the one i'm after.

Make it 20 or even 50 tempest runes to turn in for one specific rune or a list of runes.

Everything is better than those altars. Those horrible, horrible altars... i hear their laughter behind my back...


Has anyone seen Tharnes sovereign rune drop since update 13?
I'm starting to believe it got erased from the loot tables somehow.


Off to run another 300 preys, or whatever it takes to get my rune.

/not signed

they could maybe do something like every 20 runs of sos you get a Random sov in end reward.

I intend to live forever. So far, so good.