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nestharus
04-05-2012, 06:52 PM
So, made this for primarily dps and trap handling. It also has decent saves.

Anyways, let me know what you think and what you think I should change. I'm somewhat of a noob still ; ). Be as harsh as you like ;p.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 284
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 22
Will: 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 8 12
Dexterity 18 28
Constitution 16 20
Intelligence 16 22
Wisdom 8 12
Charisma 8 12

Tomes Used
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 18
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 18
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 18
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 18
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 18

Starting Ending
Base Skills Base Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 8 32
Bluff 3 24
Concentration 3 5
Diplomacy 2 24
Disable Device 7 29
Haggle -1 1
Heal -1 1
Hide 4 9
Intimidate -1 1
Jump 3 24
Listen 3 24
Move Silently 8 32
Open Lock 8 32
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 3 6
Search 7 29
Spot 3 24
Swim -1 1
Tumble 5 13
Use Magic Device 3 24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Improved Spot I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense III


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense IV


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Improved Spot II

ElbionTcob
04-05-2012, 08:05 PM
Your assuming +4 tomes? I would assume +2's for a noob. +3 if your feeling lucky.

Drop dex to 16 and drop Int to 14, Raise Str to 14. Drop weapon finnese. Instead take Kopesh prof. Go STR for lvl ups not dex. You will still hit good dex. Even without any serious gear. 16 base + 3 Rogue + 2 Halfling + 6 Item + 1 tome = 28 unbuffed. Ship buffs from a friendly higher lvl guild in your party for 30 dex. If you get real gear you can easily raise to to 32 unbuffed.

Take the time to get this charecter + to hit gear early to make up for his low BAB. This is HUGE for a rogue at low levels.

Drop the improved spot enchancments, as well as tier 3 and 4 of dmg boost. Pick up racial toughness 1 and 2 for +20 hit points. Use anything left over for haste boost. If you have on random point laying around pick up a skill boost for the occasional times you need the boost (Temple of Vol and Von 1 locks, Von 5 traps etc.)

nestharus
04-05-2012, 08:33 PM
I can get +4 in the DDO store, which is why I put them up there. Well, at least I think I can get +4, I don't know ;D.


Anyways, wouldn't an assassin build be good with rapiers? I saw that you normally use elves for rapiers, but I don't quite understand why you couldn't use a halfling for close to the same results : ). I know that rapiers won't work as well against fortified, but wouldn't it still be good dps?

Also, why rely on strength rather than dexterity for damage?

Hobgoblin
04-05-2012, 08:47 PM
I can get +4 in the DDO store, which is why I put them up there. Well, at least I think I can get +4, I don't know ;D.


Anyways, wouldn't an assassin build be good with rapiers? I saw that you normally use elves for rapiers, but I don't quite understand why you couldn't use a halfling for close to the same results : ). I know that rapiers won't work as well against fortified, but wouldn't it still be good dps?

Also, why rely on strength rather than dexterity for damage?

Because dex only gives you to hit not damage, so if you cant sneak it you is screwed with your build.

and yes a str based rapier build is decent.

And you can buy +2's in store, sometimes 3's never 4's

right now - 4's are considered raid loot

hob

ElbionTcob
04-05-2012, 08:48 PM
I can get +4 in the DDO store, which is why I put them up there. Well, at least I think I can get +4, I don't know ;D.


Anyways, wouldn't an assassin build be good with rapiers? I saw that you normally use elves for rapiers, but I don't quite understand why you couldn't use a halfling for close to the same results : ). I know that rapiers won't work as well against fortified, but wouldn't it still be good dps?

Also, why rely on strength rather than dexterity for damage?

Are +4s on the DDO store? Might want to double check that. Pretty sure +3s the best. Rapiers are sub par to Kopeshes. As well as on an elf you can kinda justify it as they get the racial enchancments. Halfling you need to pick up Halfling Cunning and Halfling Guile for the +8 Sneak attack dmg. Kopesh will out DPS a rapier ANY day, against any target.

Good rogues do high sneak attack dmg. Great Rogues do high base damage. Dex gives you no +'s to dmg. Only str does. And the few weapons that use dex to dmg make HUGE sacrifices in other areas or are hard to obtain. Go str based. No real questions asked. Your ref save and dex skills will be MORE than fine.

nestharus
04-05-2012, 08:53 PM
I see =)

Hobgoblin
04-05-2012, 09:01 PM
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=349381

try this

Rogann
04-06-2012, 10:05 AM
So, made this for primarily dps and trap handling. It also has decent saves.


Made for dps but yet you build dex O_o

Made for traps but you put points into int O_o

I think this will help you: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=352591

unbongwah
04-06-2012, 11:56 AM
These days on a 32-pt pure rogue, I'd say either go STR-based w/rapiers or khopeshes (khops are better DPS, rapiers save a feat for something else); or INT- & DEX-based for higher Assassinate DC with the goal of using epic Midnight Greetings at endgame. Probably the only time I'd bother with a DEX-based rogue is, say, a 28-pt halfling, and even there it's iffy.

Uma-Quixote
04-06-2012, 01:25 PM
These days on a 32-pt pure rogue, I'd say either go STR-based w/rapiers or khopeshes (khops are better DPS, rapiers save a feat for something else); or INT- & DEX-based for higher Assassinate DC with the goal of using epic Midnight Greetings at endgame. Probably the only time I'd bother with a DEX-based rogue is, say, a 28-pt halfling, and even there it's iffy.

I've just capped a pure 20 with exactly that...human, 32 pt khopesh starting stats 15 str, 15 int, 15 dex, 15 con..
I ate a +3 supreme for him that I got in a sale ages ago
when I get the seal for epic utility vest his disable will be 68, his assasinate dc with epic MG is currently 42 and will get to 43....with a greensteel hp item geting off the ship he has 462hp, (ToD +2 con and yugo will put him over 500hp) with a rad II and a lit II (which will be supplemented by epic Kronzeks when I get the seal) he hits hard.....I can scroll heal at about 85%, raise over a 100%...this boy is going far, I love him.