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varusso
03-31-2012, 01:12 PM
OK, the absolute randomness of DT Runes *sucks*.

Change the altars so that we can insert runes and PICK the next tier of rune instead of this random nonsense. Up the cost in number of runes to 6 and add a cost of 50 Draconic runes or something to offset it. When turning in ONE sovereign rune (plus draconics), you get to pick ONE eldritch. Still have to farm quite a bit, but no more ridiculous hamster wheel.

davidolson22
03-31-2012, 01:18 PM
You might not know this ,but it used to be way worse.

varusso
03-31-2012, 01:24 PM
You might not know this ,but it used to be way worse.

Yes, before you could crack a sovereign. Doesnt mean it cant still be better.

Imagine how everyone would feel if GS were a random result when you combine INGs on top of the random drop of the INGs themselves. Larger scale, but same principle. I am fine with a grind, but there is entirely too much randomness in it right now. They listened with Abbot flagging (sort of), maybe they will listen on this.

varusso
03-31-2012, 05:00 PM
Oh and while you're at it -- put the frickin Draconic Runes in my Ings Bag.

Uska
03-31-2012, 05:21 PM
Yes, before you could crack a sovereign. Doesnt mean it cant still be better.

Imagine how everyone would feel if GS were a random result when you combine INGs on top of the random drop of the INGs themselves. Larger scale, but same principle. I am fine with a grind, but there is entirely too much randomness in it right now. They listened with Abbot flagging (sort of), maybe they will listen on this.

no it was even worse than that you didnt know what it was until you used it. and you couldnt combine 3 lower tier to make a higher one I dont think they need to make DT armor any more easier than they have but then few of my characters use it.

Uska
03-31-2012, 05:23 PM
Oh and while you're at it -- put the frickin Draconic Runes in my Ings Bag.

this is something I can get down with

varusso
03-31-2012, 05:49 PM
no it was even worse than that you didnt know what it was until you used it. and you couldnt combine 3 lower tier to make a higher one I dont think they need to make DT armor any more easier than they have but then few of my characters use it.

I think that was just before my time -- probably something that was changed while I was playing but before my first DT. I love DT; it has good synergy with GS. I am perfectly fine with putting in the time to get the correct runes; its the ridiculous random factor that is ticking me off. I would much rather farm up more runes and get the rune I want in the end than continually spin the wheel. You can literally run this quest until the servers shut down and not get the rune you want, or until you give up or just get absolutely lucky. Then you get to do it 2 more times. And that ssuming you only want one DT, and only on one toon. If they were BTA like shroud ings, even that would be better -- though it would still suck.

Ungood
03-31-2012, 06:05 PM
no it was even worse than that you didnt know what it was until you used it. and you couldnt combine 3 lower tier to make a higher one I dont think they need to make DT armor any more easier than they have but then few of my characters use it.

Oh that was the worst, when you had to just apply and hope for the best and continuously ponder "Do I want to overwrite or stay with what I have"

I can say I do not miss that at all.


this is something I can get down with

/Signed.

Come on Turbine put the dang runes in the Green Bag already!

And while you are at it, put the plainer shards in a bag too!

Jay203
03-31-2012, 07:13 PM
OK, the absolute randomness of DT Runes *sucks*.

Change the altars so that we can insert runes and PICK the next tier of rune instead of this random nonsense. Up the cost in number of runes to 6 and add a cost of 50 Draconic runes or something to offset it. When turning in ONE sovereign rune (plus draconics), you get to pick ONE eldritch. Still have to farm quite a bit, but no more ridiculous hamster wheel.

you mean change the dt altars into barter system too?
frankly i don't see how we can put 7 different things into the altar at the same time right now :p

toaf
03-31-2012, 07:59 PM
at least we know what rune we have.... doesnt take too long to get something you need with full parties. most people will trade if they get one you are looking for, unless your a douch

varusso
03-31-2012, 08:53 PM
you mean change the dt altars into barter system too?
frankly i don't see how we can put 7 different things into the altar at the same time right now :p

As soon as CC was released, I knew they would start switching things to the Barter System -- and they have. I anticipate they will eventually make all crafting interfaces the same way, so as to get all of their tech on the same page. They are already working on GS conversion. Cannith Crafting uses it. The epic altar is being converted. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Altar of Change switched as well. I wouldnt even be surprised of the collectors were converted, allowing us to "craft" our collectable rewards. Its just a matter of time until the DT altars are converted.

As for crafting 7 items:
3 Runes + 25 Draco = Imbued Rune, done twice.
Combine 2 Imbued Runes to get the next tier rune of your choice, or some super imbued rune which you then place in the altar to get your final rune. BTW, the limit on number of components a device can handle is a limit Turbine has imposed upon itself (likely to handle the permutations in smaller numbers). Its something they could change if they wanted to. Its just easier to use what is already established.

Any number of ways they might mix and match to do it. My main point is I would be willing to double the cost of the conversion just to get the specific rune I want. I would still have to put in some grind time, but the ridiculous frustration that comes with it would go away. Its still balanced in terms of time investment, but its alot less aggravating.

We could also do with getting rid of the "lesser" runes that have a "greater" rune of the same type in the same tier.
IE: Eldritch Rune of Striding +20% and Eldritch Rune of Greater Striding +25% The 20% is a waste; just get rid of it and lower the "wasted" pool so I have a better chance of pulling the one i wanted. They dont in any way benefit you (IE: lower ML etc). They just serve as another "well **** I didnt get the rune i WANTED (25%), but heres a crappy consolation prize (20%) -- meh".

They already have applied a similar system in the epic scrolls -- 3 scraps for the one you want. You still have to spend the time to acquire those 3 to get the one you want, so you still have some grind -- but with an actual desired result at the end instead of 3 scrolls that are not useful to you.

Sidewaysgts86
04-01-2012, 04:35 AM
Id actually really like them to expand the DTed rune list, or invent some kind of new armor-system equivalent to Green-Steel crafting.

licho
04-01-2012, 09:03 AM
Sure, the building DT armor should be made easier, its not that powerful.
IMHO they should just decide that you need to run it like 3 times to make your setup.
We dont need a grind.

varusso
04-01-2012, 09:15 AM
Id actually really like them to expand the DTed rune list, or invent some kind of new armor-system equivalent to Green-Steel crafting.

I would be fine with more options, so long as they arent useless junk like the bazillion unused-except-for-leveling-your-skill choices in cannith crafting, and so long as I can PICK the one I want, rather than just adding to the list of runes i didnt want to get.


Sure, the building DT armor should be made easier, its not that powerful.
IMHO they should just decide that you need to run it like 3 times to make your setup.
We dont need a grind.

Personally, I am ok with a grind -- so long as it is reasonable. Its part of MMOs; its a time-sink that keeps people playing. So long as it is not so frustrating/boring that it ends up having the opposite effect. The more toons you have, the more frustrating this thing becomes.

And yes, the DT system is better than it used to be. But "better" does not mean "done".