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~Quilny
01-18-2012, 01:36 PM
ok so Applebee's started a movement of Giving our veterans free meals During veterans day. It worked so well for them that other resteraunts Joined in and now subway along with many others are chipping in. Some places don't just give stuff away but they do give discounts. I'm not saying buisness should give discounts to veterans I'm just saying its nice of them and I think it helps their buisness when they do statics will show this to be true.

So what I am thinking Turbine could do is add something to account management where if you are a veteran you could submit his/her DD214 to turbine as proof of service and then on veterans day they could give you a discount in store or maybe just some free points.

somenewnoob
01-18-2012, 01:38 PM
I'd be all for that. I'd even donate some of my points if there was a way to do it.

TheDearLeader
01-18-2012, 01:38 PM
So this is only available to Veterans of the U.S. Army, in a multinational MMO?

As one of the people who has a DD214, I'm thinking someone might take offense to that.

Second thought - last time I looked at it, my DD214 has my social. I'm pretty sure I don't want Turbine having that, either.

~Quilny
01-18-2012, 01:45 PM
So this is only available to Veterans of the U.S. Army, in a multinational MMO?

As one of the people who has a DD214, I'm thinking someone might take offense to that.

Second thought - last time I looked at it, my DD214 has my social. I'm pretty sure I don't want Turbine having that, either.

Im not sure on social if it did you could photo copy it edit out the socail and subit it or maybe there is another way of proof that I cannot think of. If anyone has a better idea would love to hear them. just thinking of ways to support our troops and help expand the amount of players this game has.

More players more money more new content

herzkos
01-18-2012, 01:50 PM
not a chance that i would submit all or any part of my dd-214 to turbine.
I think it's admirable that people are hooking up vets/active duty personnel
with discounts but they don't keep a copy of anything. Nor does anything
have to be submitted via internet.

If turbine wants to honor U.S. (and allied) vets, i'd appreciate the gesture but wouldn't
participate.

~Quilny
01-18-2012, 02:02 PM
not a chance that i would submit all or any part of my dd-214 to turbine.
I think it's admirable that people are hooking up vets/active duty personnel
with discounts but they don't keep a copy of anything. Nor does anything
have to be submitted via internet.

If turbine wants to honor U.S. (and allied) vets, i'd appreciate the gesture but wouldn't
participate.

woah woah ok this is just a Idea and ideas need to be tweaked so obveiously the DD214 submission is a bad Idea lol. However the bigger picture is the Supporting the troops on veterans Day does anyone have any POSITIVE feed back. Like maybe a better way to Prove that they were in the Military? what other ways is there to prove that people have served?

TheDearLeader
01-18-2012, 02:17 PM
I think you're still missing the other portion of my statement, which was that by making this specific to American Veterans, you're leaving out all our Canadian/European/NZ/Aussie/Guo Ren/Korean/Japanese players. Hell, in Korea service is near mandatory.

You say "attract more players". I say it has just as much likelihood to backfire, and offend those already playing who served in their own nation's respective military branches.

~Quilny
01-18-2012, 02:35 PM
I think you're still missing the other portion of my statement, which was that by making this specific to American Veterans, you're leaving out all our Canadian/European/NZ/Aussie/Guo Ren/Korean/Japanese players. Hell, in Korea service is near mandatory.

You say "attract more players". I say it has just as much likelihood to backfire, and offend those already playing who served in their own nation's respective military branches.

Isnt Subways in other countries? McDonalds? are they loosing buisness because they support our troops? they might be I don't know everything and apearances can be decieving but it looks like they are doing great. I'm also not ruling out supporting allied troops. this is a Idea ideas need to be Tweaked if someone has something to add or change this idea to suit better by all means suggest away. i feel as if you are dismissing this Idea all together which is your right to do.

I know a few active duty players that play and I feel it would be nice to give something back to those that defend our freedoms. With up and comming elections and a Bunch of republicans that want to go to war and a President currently in power bombing other countries I'm guessing my friends will be sent off again very soon :'( was a Idea again. Maybe my Idea isnt the best and other buisness are already doing a good job of supporting our troops.

CheeseMilk
01-18-2012, 03:58 PM
We don't even have Veteran's Day in Canada.

We have Remembrance Day, and it is a FAR more solemn occasion that the US version.

The whole, "Honouring the troops with CRAAAAAAAZY savings!!!!!" thing will NOT fly here.

Lagin
01-18-2012, 04:02 PM
So this is only available to Veterans of the U.S. Army, in a multinational MMO?

As one of the people who has a DD214, I'm thinking someone might take offense to that.

Second thought - last time I looked at it, my DD214 has my social. I'm pretty sure I don't want Turbine having that, either.

This

Way too many issues for Turbine to even consider this.

/not signed

TheDearLeader
01-18-2012, 04:23 PM
Isnt Subways in other countries? McDonalds? are they loosing buisness because they support our troops? they might be I don't know everything and apearances can be decieving but it looks like they are doing great. I'm also not ruling out supporting allied troops. this is a Idea ideas need to be Tweaked if someone has something to add or change this idea to suit better by all means suggest away. i feel as if you are dismissing this Idea all together which is your right to do.


Actually, yes. There are popular food chains such as McDonald's in other countries.

But, your analogy is poor. They are a global business with regional chains. They serve food to a local community. They have different menus depending on where you go, and in fact do celebrate local holidays. This actually ties in with your OP, which references Applebees as the basis for your idea. It's a local place - everyone at your Applebees is likely to be American, or at least staying in America. They're not going to have a problem with the local community giving specialized deals to their nation's armed forces.

However, Turbine is a global business with a global community. We don't have "DDO Korea". We don't have "DDO Germany". We have.. DDO. We have regional language options, and a supposed "DE Server", but it is nonetheless the same game, same product, same specials, et cetera.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to appreciate our servicemen and women. But... buy them a beer. Extend a heartfelt thanks. Maybe send a care package to them while they are overseas. Let's appreciate them (and ourselves) that way.

But I think Turbine could stand to lose more than they would gain from incorporating this idea into their marketing strategies.

As for the rest of what you typed... let's not turn this political, okay?

tyga250
01-18-2012, 04:52 PM
Terrible idea, not signed.

This is a game, RL politics have no place here.

MsEricka
01-18-2012, 04:59 PM
/not signed

There is no way to verify who is and who is not a veteran without giving out info that is private. Also this is an international game and this idea would offend many people. They served their country, and possibly served with american foces and have american medals and they're not eligible for a discount?

~Quilny
01-18-2012, 05:34 PM
Actually, yes. There are popular food chains such as McDonald's in other countries.

But, your analogy is poor. They are a global business with regional chains. They serve food to a local community. They have different menus depending on where you go, and in fact do celebrate local holidays. This actually ties in with your OP, which references Applebees as the basis for your idea. It's a local place - everyone at your Applebees is likely to be American, or at least staying in America. They're not going to have a problem with the local community giving specialized deals to their nation's armed forces.

However, Turbine is a global business with a global community. We don't have "DDO Korea". We don't have "DDO Germany". We have.. DDO. We have regional language options, and a supposed "DE Server", but it is nonetheless the same game, same product, same specials, et cetera.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to appreciate our servicemen and women. But... buy them a beer. Extend a heartfelt thanks. Maybe send a care package to them while they are overseas. Let's appreciate them (and ourselves) that way.

But I think Turbine could stand to lose more than they would gain from incorporating this idea into their marketing strategies.

As for the rest of what you typed... let's not turn this political, okay?

I don't see how it is poor They give free meals to american veterans on veterans day and they do not give free meals to other countries military but they do have stores in other countries. This is very similiar However ddo does not serve food it is a game. I can see I am in a loosing Battle much like our troops over seas. sigh. oh well. I do give care packages as well :D not to mention im in a comunity service youth group. I wish and pray people would be more Optomistic about new ideas.

no one here is even thinking about growing this idea. which is fine but Im hearing the problem is only for USA. so instead of saying no this is lame what about saying i would sign if ddo made it open to Military in general not just USA military but all countries military. anyways im done ranting.

donblas
01-18-2012, 05:50 PM
/not signed.

MsEricka
01-18-2012, 06:04 PM
Like I said, you can't prove who is and who is not a veteran without asking for documentation that cannot be verified and may contain sensitive information.

Why just just ask for a 5% discount (available to everyone) on November 11th to honor veterans.

That would accomplish your goal and keep everyone happy.

TheDearLeader
01-18-2012, 06:06 PM
I don't see how it is poor They give free meals to american veterans on veterans day and they do not give free meals to other countries military but they do have stores in other countries. This is very similiar

Actually.. it's not similar. And you've said some things above that are true, while also not being mutually dependent upon one another.

I don't know your circumstances, or if you've frequented other countries often, or for period of time longer than say a school field trip. So, since I can't tell if you have that experience, I am going to say this in general terms.

Chain Restaurants have a presence in other countries, yet work differently.

If I went to, say, Applebees in my home state of Tennessee on Veteran's Day, I would get a free meal. Neato.
If I went to, say, Applebees in Seoul, Korea on Veteran's Day, and asked for a free meal, they would likely arrest me.

Likewise, if I went to Pizza Hut in Seoul, I can get special, regional toppings that can't be found in an American Pizza Hut.

See the difference? They are both Applebees. But chain restaurants follow different rules according to the region they are in. They can do this, while maintaining the same brand name, due to the nature of being a chain, and being a store that serves a local community.

Turbine does not serve a "local" community. There isn't a "Turbine Las Vegas", "Turbine Dallas", "Turbine Tokyo", right? There's just... Turbine. Which means when they think about how they want to market to their customers, they have to think Globally.

I will use a second example for you. Please pay attention. For the last Bastille Day (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Bastille+Day) (July 14th), Turbine did a special "Storm the Castle" Points Sale. This is, notionally, a nod to a French Holiday, and a way to outreach to their European player base. However, the sale was open to anyone who wanted to use that sale, that day.

That's using a National Holiday in a way that offends.. well, few. How would you have felt if that sale was "French Players Only". Any server, including your own... but they had to be from France?

Now that you've thought about how you personally would have felt, I ask you to now think how other Americans, Canadians, and Non-French Citizens would have felt. I imagine at least some would say to themselves, "Well, what's up with that Turbine? I support this game. If they get a sale, I want one, too! /rage"

Again, I'm not saying supporting our country or it's Veterans is not a great idea - it's wonderful, what you want to do. What I am saying is that it is perhaps in the best interests of Turbine's bottom line to not anger or offend their non-American customers.


However ddo does not serve food it is a game. I can see I am in a loosing Battle much like our troops over seas. sigh. oh well. I do give care packages as well :D not to mention im in a comunity service youth group. I wish and pray people would be more Optomistic about new ideas.

no one here is even thinking about growing this idea.

Prayer will not turn a poor suggestion into a good one. And while I admire that you care about our community, our country, and it's Armed Forces.. well, you can be just as American as me and have a bad idea. I have bad ideas all the time. I don't expect someone to support it because of Nationality.


which is fine but Im hearing the problem is only for USA. so instead of saying no this is lame what about saying i would sign if ddo made it open to Military in general not just USA military but all countries military. anyways im done ranting.

The above sounds like a step in the right direction - except their holiday is not our holiday. You would be asking Turbine Staff to:

Determine the equivalent of Veteran's Day in every country.
Consider the geopolitical ramifications of monetizing on it, on a country by country basis.
Consider the "deal" or "benefit" on a country by country basis.
Learn enough about each country's various branches of armed forces, their paperwork, etc. to be able to confirm someone's service in their armed forces while also not asking for sensitive information.
...et cetera.

I like the idea of giving people stuff. But Turbine is a business, a global one at that, and has to decide what's financially responsible before they do it.

Would it have made you feel better if I'd just said /notsigned, instead of giving practical reasons why it wouldn't be in Turbine's best interests?

Lagin
01-18-2012, 06:08 PM
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donblas
01-18-2012, 06:13 PM
OOOOh that little lock is cool!

PurpleTimb
01-18-2012, 06:42 PM
I'm an active duty member of the US military. I appreciated the point sale that Turbine did for a previous Veteran's Day. I especially liked that some thought obviously went into it, with the $11.11 price giving a nod to the armistice signed on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month. If Turbine wants to honor veterans, I'd much prefer they do it in a way like that, which is open to everyone in honor of all veterans. I'm too proud of what my Army stands for to go around asking for a handout just because I do my job.

To the OP: As a veteran, I appreciate what you are trying to do and I thank you for your kind support. However, pressuring companies to provide handouts to military members is not something I approve of. I say this with no malice or disrespect; but I don't want anything free from a company that wants to give me free stuff because it's good for PR, or any other 'business' reason.

If you appreciate what a vet has done for your country, go find one and tell them so. They'll probably enjoy that a lot more than a 5% discount on their next purchase of Turbine Points.