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Combat_Wombat
12-06-2011, 02:13 PM
Now that Mineral II weapons have been almost totally marginalized by almost everything else in the game it is time to unnerf them and add the Transmuting trait back so they can once again be the universal dr by-passers they were originally intended to be.

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esheep
12-06-2011, 02:18 PM
Now that Mineral II weapons have been almost totally marginalized by almost everything else in the game it is time to unnerf them and add the Transmuting trait back so they can once again be the universal dr by-passers they were originally intended to be.

Sounds fair to me.

baii
12-06-2011, 02:22 PM
I dun know why ppl want to buff min 2 when you can win 90% of this game just with this 1 weapon.

waterboytkd
12-06-2011, 02:23 PM
Yeah, that sounds fair to me. Would give a reason to craft Min II again.

Gratch
12-06-2011, 02:52 PM
I was wondering what L12 weapon marginallizes Min2's on as large an assortment of mobs??? Maybe Lit2. All the other "marginalizing" weapons are L20.

I have no problem with the weapon that was once king vs. all mobs at L12 being underpowered compared to EPIC weapons or crafted weapons against specific mobs. Min2 is still one of the best TR2 leveling weapons against elite mobs (we all run elite now for bravery bonus right?).

baii
12-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Even at LVL 20 , it is not marginalized.

Enoach
12-06-2011, 03:48 PM
Even without the Transmuting Feature, the MIN II is still the 90% weapon as it covers


Metal + Good DR
Metal + Evil DR


I don't believe you can craft a single weapon that can cover All Metals and both Good & Evil.

Now of course you can recreate different Weapons to cover what a MIN II does <- And being customized will possibly be better at the Specific Job.

But I've seen a person successfully play a round of Golf with just a 7 Iron and putter. In my mind the MIN II is like a 7 Iron it can be used for 90% of the Game - Is it the Best option? No, but it is not a slouch and can still get the job done. Its also a lot less to carry.

Now, that being said - I will admit that if I could know what was to be available after GS Crafting, I would not have made 2 of the MIN II weapons that I have today and would have used those materials to build other items.

Elaril
12-06-2011, 03:53 PM
Sounds good OP.

FuzzyDuck81
12-06-2011, 03:56 PM
IIRC one of the only named items that can bypass more DR inherently is the turbulent epee, since its both metalline & aligned.. but even that wont bypass /slash & /blunt or /crystal... and that doesnt benefit from the additional damage that the mighty min2 gets.

Since min2 arent about bulk damage like many of the other specialised weapons, its always been more a generalised go-to DR breaker, making it old-school transmuting would be pretty sweet for it considering the work involved.

Aaxeyu
12-06-2011, 04:00 PM
I don't think they should bother with changing years old endgame content, but I would very much like to see transmuting return on a top DPS epic weapon. I don't find any joy at all in swapping around weapons and carrying a golfbag of weapon sets.

voodoogroves
12-06-2011, 04:19 PM
Even without the Transmuting Feature, the MIN II is still the 90% weapon as it covers


Metal + Good DR
Metal + Evil DR


I don't believe you can craft a single weapon that can cover All Metals and both Good & Evil.

Now of course you can recreate different Weapons to cover what a MIN II does <- And being customized will possibly be better at the Specific Job.

But I've seen a person successfully play a round of Golf with just a 7 Iron and putter. In my mind the MIN II is like a 7 Iron it can be used for 90% of the Game - Is it the Best option? No, but it is not a slouch and can still get the job done. Its also a lot less to carry.

Now, that being said - I will admit that if I could know what was to be available after GS Crafting, I would not have made 2 of the MIN II weapons that I have today and would have used those materials to build other items.

eAGA slotted with evil?

Enoach
12-06-2011, 05:12 PM
eAGA slotted with evil?

hmmm, a

ML:12 MIN II Great Axe
vs
ML:20 Epic Antique Great Axe - Slotted with Evil

Both would cover the Metal + Aligned, both would suffer DR penalties when Bludgeon or pierce is needed.

The difference is only in the ML. and that only matters if you have the item by that level, such as in the case of TR'ng.

Now, lets keep in mind if you have a pocket Artificer you can take any metalline item and get the alignment covered.

baii
12-06-2011, 05:24 PM
What do you use when you on the way making a EAGA?

A tier1/2 GS is not bad at all when you making a min2.

And dun forgot a min2 can easily save you a feat.

teh_meh
12-06-2011, 05:37 PM
I was wondering what L12 weapon marginallizes Min2's on as large an assortment of mobs??? Maybe Lit2. All the other "marginalizing" weapons are L20.

I have no problem with the weapon that was once king vs. all mobs at L12 being underpowered compared to EPIC weapons or crafted weapons against specific mobs. Min2 is still one of the best TR2 leveling weapons against elite mobs (we all run elite now for bravery bonus right?).

Well said.

Jahmin
12-06-2011, 09:29 PM
I have no problem with the weapon that was once king vs. all mobs at L12 being underpowered compared to EPIC weapons or crafted weapons against specific mobs. Min2 is still one of the best TR2 leveling weapons against elite mobs (we all run elite now for bravery bonus right?).

Min2 was never the king vs all mobs, or against any mob. Ignorant people thinking it was/is is the real problem :rolleyes:

Yan_PL
12-06-2011, 10:17 PM
Considering resources necessary to make GS Mineral II (time, luck, plat) and it's low min lvl (12), it's highly desirable DR beater for its price. Next better things are cannith crafted ones (you either spend ages leveling your crafting or pay high prices to someone who already did it) and/or epic Antique (lvl 20, requires quite rare seal and not so rare, but still not quite common shard). I believe that by virtues of being nearly guaranteed to be obtainable, and being lvl 12 item, it still has it's place among useful and popular weapons. It's highly desired by TRs, who are going to spend much more time on lvls 12-20 beating on foes with DR, and it is in fact somewhat universal thing to make.

on the other hand, it's still worse than tripos vs undead, worse than lit2 on many foes...
it's never superior, but it's price and availability make it good enough weapon. and look, it has stoneskin clicky! when was the last time you were hit by adamantine arrows?

Ungood
12-06-2011, 11:20 PM
Min2 was never the king vs all mobs, or against any mob. Ignorant people thinking it was/is is the real problem :rolleyes:

This.

and

/Signed

Jaid314
12-07-2011, 01:07 AM
i don't think it's really needed. it's still probably the best generic DR breaker available to a lot of people. it's simply that the value of a generic DR breaker isn't as high as it once was.

then again, i don't think it would hurt either. i suppose i really don't care either way. but i will point out that every time the devs touch something, it has a chance to break both that specific thing, and an uncertain number of other things which may or may not have any visible connection to that thing.

Daggertooth
12-07-2011, 05:23 AM
Sounds fair to me.

Have you had a hearing test lately?

Aspect of MINERAL .... it can transmute into any kind of METAL.

if you look close enough you might see some underlying theme here.

Just sayin :cool:

Ungood
12-07-2011, 07:22 AM
i don't think it's really needed. it's still probably the best generic DR breaker available to a lot of people. it's simply that the value of a generic DR breaker isn't as high as it once was.

then again, i don't think it would hurt either. i suppose i really don't care either way. but i will point out that every time the devs touch something, it has a chance to break both that specific thing, and an uncertain number of other things which may or may not have any visible connection to that thing.

Not like that stops them from touching stuff :p,

So if they are going to mess around with stuff, they may as well do something I would like in the process. Make me feel a tad less foolish about making a MinII as opposed to a LitII.

RTN
12-07-2011, 07:38 AM
It's powerful as it is, especially for such a low ML weapon. You can still go through most of the game w/ a Min2 weapon and do just fine. It doesn't need buffing--the original nerf was a good idea.

Razcar
12-07-2011, 09:52 AM
Min2 was never the king vs all mobs, or against any mob. Ignorant people thinking it was/is is the real problem :rolleyes:
Well, it was the king of convenience. Remember that it used to bypass Slashing, Blunt and Piercing DR as well for quite a while.

Yan_PL
12-07-2011, 11:59 AM
I'd like MinII to bypass "Crystal" DR too. especially with addition to quori in eLoB it *might* come in handy sometimes.

all in all, MINERAL and CRYSTAL...