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xandariant
10-21-2011, 06:24 AM
It pains me for some time, that a lot is done to make this game playable and fun but old raid loot is still as it was when it was created - It's BTC.

When I look on all new content items are BTA. Yes its the raight way to do since many ppl just have multiple toons and having the ability to pass items or even make epics as they hit 20 is just great. I think that its what everyone with at least 2 toons want. That is also the fundamental reason to buy shared bank and bank upgrades.

Old epics raids like Sands, VoN, have still their items BTC, while almost all new content is BTA and if not BTA all ingredients to make items are BTA, then is no problem to make item that is BTC on toon of choice.
It should also be changed for non-epic raids like VoD, HoX, Titan, Reavers Fate, Abbot.

In the end it happens a lot that items that ppl want to create have shard, seal ans even scroll but they miss base for a long time.

PLEASE change old content items to be BTA.

Shade
10-21-2011, 06:52 AM
um no.. Sands bases are unbound for 90% of them as is now.. Do not make them bound. I have many sands epics on my alts I rarely play who certainly didnt loot the items themselves, and I like it like that.

Raidloots are BTC, sure.

They are not gona change the raidloot to BTA. That just ruins the team aspect of raids imo, as everyone takes every item

EG This happens:
"Oh well someday I may make X class, so I'll take this and everything else. I dont care that you helped me on the raid on the class that specific needs this at this moment"

Changes that deter friendly team play are not what we want.

Yan_PL
10-21-2011, 07:16 AM
No.

BtC for rare raid stuff is WAI. if you make that stuff BtA, it's not likely that anyone will pass them to you. Wizard finds Encrusted or Ravager ring "ooh, I was thinking of building a barbarian in 2 months or so, Im going to keep it!"
BtA is good for commonly available "Twink Items". One exception is Mindsunder Disc locked chest - but it makes much sense with loop chest opening mechanic - as most of the times, when you're running this, you've arranged who's bringing which circles, who's looting which item in case it drops... and it's 6-man quest, not raid. It's even soloable.

voodoogroves
10-21-2011, 07:48 AM
Changes that deter friendly team play are not what we want.

Completely agree with this point.

xandariant
10-21-2011, 07:51 AM
LOL, really do you take ppl for that greedy?
I don't see problems in other quests, ppl pass seals and shards in RAIDs and now you think it will change cause of few ppl being greedy?
If so they will stop after a month or so. So what?

The rare is only a question of getting it on right toon anyway.
If you are afraid of ppl getting greedy just stop for like 1 min and look how ppl play in epics. I saw really powerful shards or seals that went for roll (SOS shards, Claw set shards etc) and other ppl just said I will use it adn looted it and go.

TELL ME - what is a difference if I see some fighter looting Torc saying "for next live". I don't really see a problem in that cause I see it often, and my FvS don't have Torc yet. My bad, thats all.

Making raid loot BTA will only make it easier not harder and greedy ppl will always stay greedy, no matter if its BTA or BTC.

Uska
10-21-2011, 08:04 AM
No

Doomcrew
10-21-2011, 08:12 AM
I saw really powerful shards or seals that went for roll (SOS shards, Claw set shards etc) and other ppl just said I will use it adn looted it and go.
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Most people passing "valuable" seals and shards most likely have them already.

Making all raid loot BTA will most likely decrease the amount of raids being run.
Why run xRaidx when you already have the gear?

A few times whileleveling for xp, sure. Afterwards?

/nty

mute_mayhem
10-21-2011, 08:54 AM
LOL, really do you take ppl for that greedy?


Yes.

Diyon
10-21-2011, 08:59 AM
It pains me for some time, that a lot is done to make this game playable and fun but old raid loot is still as it was when it was created - It's BTC.

When I look on all new content items are BTA. Yes its the raight way to do since many ppl just have multiple toons and having the ability to pass items or even make epics as they hit 20 is just great. I think that its what everyone with at least 2 toons want. That is also the fundamental reason to buy shared bank and bank upgrades.


All new content items are BTA? Not so fast there. You talked about raid loot. So lets talk about new raids:

Chronoscope- Yes. The raid loot is BtA. Also its a freaking lvl 6 raid. Even if the items were BtC it would make little difference in availability to characters as the base items are stupid easy to get.

Lord of Blades- Alright, most of the ingredients are BtA or not bound at all, but you know what? The elemental spirits are BtC. That makes the end result, a tier 1-3 alchemical weapon, BtC as well. This is precisely like shroud is mostly: Shroud: 1. vale ing/unbound blanks. 2. Unbound shroud ing. 3. BtC shards of power; LoB/MA: 1. Unbound blanks. 2. Unbound/BtA ing. 3. Bound elemental spirits; End results: BtC items.

Master Artificer- Unbound blanks, but see above.

So if you compare new content raids to old content raids, very little change (chrono is really an exception) in pattern.

Alright, but in other new content, there has been a big increase in BtA items, you might say. But in older content those would have been unbound. They didn't move away from being BtC.

xandariant
10-21-2011, 07:02 PM
All new content items are BTA? Not so fast there. You talked about raid loot. So lets talk about new raids:

Chronoscope- Yes. The raid loot is BtA. Also its a freaking lvl 6 raid. Even if the items were BtC it would make little difference in availability to characters as the base items are stupid easy to get.

Lord of Blades- Alright, most of the ingredients are BtA or not bound at all, but you know what? The elemental spirits are BtC. That makes the end result, a tier 1-3 alchemical weapon, BtC as well. This is precisely like shroud is mostly: Shroud: 1. vale ing/unbound blanks. 2. Unbound shroud ing. 3. BtC shards of power; LoB/MA: 1. Unbound blanks. 2. Unbound/BtA ing. 3. Bound elemental spirits; End results: BtC items.

Master Artificer- Unbound blanks, but see above.

So if you compare new content raids to old content raids, very little change (chrono is really an exception) in pattern.

Alright, but in other new content, there has been a big increase in BtA items, you might say. But in older content those would have been unbound. They didn't move away from being BtC.

Well I don't see difference between net packs and new rairs. You don't like Chrono to be BTA since it says they just went another way... Anyway U12 quests loot is BTA also.

"Almost" all new content is BTA and old ones especially bases just were left alone, but it should change as new items aren't BTC since BTC doens't help anyone.