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stille_nacht
05-22-2011, 04:15 PM
i just had a random idea for a plat sink.

also, if the plat ceiling could be raised to 10 million, that would help quite a bit.

anyway, the idea: DDO CASINO! (it rhymes too).
have it work similar to a real casino in respects of games, odds, and how much the house takes (read as: destroys).

i think it would be pretty easy to code some of the random probability games right?

players could bet millions of plat, and lose it! yaaay

it could be a seperate instance in say, kundarak, that the players can enter. there will be various NPCs to talk to to place bets on spins, or to join games of texas holdem. There could be slot machines too.

if any of you are unfamiliar with how casinos manage to make millions and millions of dollars through games of chance, then trust me, they do not make money because they loose money to customers. The overall amount of plat the players get will be negative.


however, is there some sort of rule/law against this? dunno

LightInDark
05-22-2011, 04:30 PM
There already are games of chance in the tavern next to the bank (Pheonix I think).

Although I think they are broken since the matching one actually seems to give plat to the player way more than it should

Cleanincubus
05-22-2011, 04:48 PM
There use to be an NPC in the Harbor, that you could play a game of chance with. Not sure if he's still there anymore, heard a rumor that he may have "disappeared" recently.

There's also a thread somewhere, where someone else suggested this; 3+ months ago.

Quarterling
05-22-2011, 05:24 PM
This is what you are looking for.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh229/MageLeif/DDO/Dice.jpg

stille_nacht
05-22-2011, 05:26 PM
ah yeah, like that, except bigger, with more options, more obvious, and selectable stakes

emptysands
05-22-2011, 05:32 PM
Cute idea, but the house already wins. Why let them fix the odds even more?

stille_nacht
05-22-2011, 05:34 PM
Cute idea, but the house already wins. Why let them fix the odds even more?

plat sink :], we know that games of chance take money out of the economy (it is why casinos are popular and rich), so i thought, why not have a ddo one?

as it is, plat is nearly valueless, i would like to see the amount of plat in ddo decrease gradually until it is valuable (semi-valuable) again

donfilibuster
05-22-2011, 05:38 PM
Game tables might attract a different crowd of people.
For example in puzzle pirates there's a large playerbase on the hold'em alone, who buy gold from the actual players.
Some said the profit on the mini-games is bigger than for the actual game.

As for coding, the random numbers aren't too easy anyways.
Besides some of the success of hold'em tables is that your coin goes to the other players, so there's not too high a sink as you'd expect.

Apart of games of chance there's some D&D related ideas for mini-games such as summoner's duel (it's on some FR book).
And bowling seems popular in DDO :P

elujin
05-22-2011, 06:06 PM
no limits texas holdem and i am happy

stille_nacht
05-22-2011, 06:08 PM
Game tables might attract a different crowd of people.
For example in puzzle pirates there's a large playerbase on the hold'em alone, who buy gold from the actual players.
Some said the profit on the mini-games is bigger than for the actual game.

As for coding, the random numbers aren't too easy anyways.
Besides some of the success of hold'em tables is that your coin goes to the other players, so there's not too high a sink as you'd expect.

Apart of games of chance there's some D&D related ideas for mini-games such as summoner's duel (it's on some FR book).
And bowling seems popular in DDO :P

heheh, lets just say vegas doesnt run on good wishes :P, the house ALWAYS turns a profit (in this case a money destruction). the only game it is possible to lose profit on is blackjack, and they can just not include that

also, coding random numbers is pretty easy? even i can do it :/, albeit thats in java, but still.

unsure about the different crowd, but if designed correctly, no overall profit will be made by the playerbase

Missing_Minds
05-22-2011, 06:13 PM
This is what you are looking for.

Which honestly is a freaking joke. A throwback to early graphing calculator days. (earlier than that if you use HP calcs.)

It isn't like they couldn't take three different "wheels" and auto spin them to make up a fake slot machine that would still look approprate in the game.

donfilibuster
05-22-2011, 06:35 PM
heheh, lets just say vegas doesnt run on good wishes :P, the house ALWAYS turns a profit (in this case a money destruction). the only game it is possible to lose profit on is blackjack, and they can just not include that

also, coding random numbers is pretty easy? even i can do it :/, albeit thats in java, but still.

unsure about the different crowd, but if designed correctly, no overall profit will be made by the playerbase

The profit meant in actual $. Not the case here, but on that game you can pass the store currency to other players.
Naturally in DDO we can't have people buying plat with $, i just mentioned that game as an example.

Having a crowd of hold'em only players buying coin from the game players did bring a lot of $ to the company.
Without that incentive the gambit tables would be there just for our entertainment.

Need not be hold'em anyways, nor would serve as sink.
Roulette or blackjack seems popular enough to create a sink surely.

As for the random numbers, those are easy per se, but being pseudorandom it makes them look loaded at times.
And making the house win overall is also easy but it'd be like cheating and everyone would be aware of it.

pal_sch
05-22-2011, 06:53 PM
The house still wins in online poker. It's actually impossible for it to lose because they don't play. They just take a tiny percentage of each pot (the Rake) or a percentage of the buy-in for tournaments that doesn't go into the prize fund.

I don't think there would be any legal problems so long as there is no real money changing hands. What it would mean for the game might be a different matter and something I wouldn't try to predict.

varusso
05-22-2011, 07:01 PM
Wow apparently none of you have been to House P. There is an entire carnival there, with several games of chance to play. Of course, the carnies tend to get a bit upset with uninvited visitors for some odd reason.

Zaal
05-22-2011, 07:09 PM
DUNGEON KEEPER - DISCO INFERNO (4 the win!):D

zebidos
05-22-2011, 07:24 PM
They they might have to change the age rating of DDO due to gambling themes. I have nothing against it but certain countries are very socially conservative.

stille_nacht
05-22-2011, 07:43 PM
The house still wins in online poker. It's actually impossible for it to lose because they don't play. They just take a tiny percentage of each pot (the Rake) or a percentage of the buy-in for tournaments that doesn't go into the prize fund.

I don't think there would be any legal problems so long as there is no real money changing hands. What it would mean for the game might be a different matter and something I wouldn't try to predict.

this. same game, virtual currency, still the same rules.


as long as currency is exchanged, the house cannot lose in texas holdem. wont bring in
as long as a freaky probability swatch doesnt occur, a 20 times payout for a 1/40 chance to win nets the house profit. (billiards), and a 40 times payout from a 1% chance (slots) wont either.

so the casino could drain money, and it might be pretty fun playing hold'em :]


now moving on to RL profitability (ew)- a working in game plat economy attracts more players, a casino in of itself helps attract some players, these players could generate some profits.

NaturalHazard
05-22-2011, 09:32 PM
i just had a random idea for a plat sink.

also, if the plat ceiling could be raised to 10 million, that would help quite a bit.

anyway, the idea: DDO CASINO! (it rhymes too).
have it work similar to a real casino in respects of games, odds, and how much the house takes (read as: destroys).

i think it would be pretty easy to code some of the random probability games right?

players could bet millions of plat, and lose it! yaaay

it could be a seperate instance in say, kundarak, that the players can enter. there will be various NPCs to talk to to place bets on spins, or to join games of texas holdem. There could be slot machines too.

if any of you are unfamiliar with how casinos manage to make millions and millions of dollars through games of chance, then trust me, they do not make money because they loose money to customers. The overall amount of plat the players get will be negative.


however, is there some sort of rule/law against this? dunno

why house k? I thoutht house J would be better you know those halflings are all evil crooks. :D

wigthemaster
05-22-2011, 09:39 PM
why house k? I thoutht house J would be better you know those halflings are all evil crooks. :D

Perhaps house P would be best.. masters of spying and illusion.

(Rigged cards anyone?)

(/signed)

~wig

stille_nacht
05-22-2011, 10:54 PM
why house k? I thoutht house J would be better you know those halflings are all evil crooks. :D

or maybe stick it in the market, or the harbor

see now i have an idea of a floating casino overlooking battle torn amrath...

Hambo
05-22-2011, 11:23 PM
Not gonna happen.

On-line gambling, even with pretend money, is illegal in many parts of the world.

Add in that it would enable plat sellers, at least on a server basis, to infest DDO even more than they can now makes it even less likely.

/not signed

stille_nacht
05-23-2011, 12:13 AM
Not gonna happen.

On-line gambling, even with pretend money, is illegal in many parts of the world.

Add in that it would enable plat sellers, at least on a server basis, to infest DDO even more than they can now makes it even less likely.

/not signed

how would this be a plat selling enabler?

but i do see the gambling part tho :O, i was afraid of that :[, ah well, another idea gone...

donfilibuster
05-23-2011, 02:02 AM
how would this be a plat selling enabler?


Because coin sellers tend to look for games like this, since gambling players actually spend $ on them.

Ziindarax
05-23-2011, 12:36 PM
If only there could be a black-jack styled game that offers more than just platinum. :)

Edit: How is "gambling" with pretend money illegal in most parts of the world?

Ystradmynach
05-30-2011, 06:08 PM
Not gonna happen.

On-line gambling, even with pretend money, is illegal in many parts of the world.

Add in that it would enable plat sellers, at least on a server basis, to infest DDO even more than they can now makes it even less likely.

/not signed

Disney actually does this in their Pirates of the Caribbean MMORPG, they have poker and blackjack in their games that can played against other players. If they can get away with it, I doubt Turbine would get in trouble for it.

Also, plat selling isn't that serious a problem in DDO anymore, most of the platsellers went elsewhere, and I don't see gaming with a commodity that isn't even that valuable in-game world as something that would bring them back.

If they do expand gambling in DDO, it should be thematic to the setting though, maybe that Three Dragon Ante game.

donfilibuster
05-31-2011, 11:52 AM
But gambling is one thing that may cause plat sellers again.

The policy of any of the payment processors have to be rechecked because regardless of how it is done you still a) charge money from players and b) provide gambling inside the game.

Paypal only accepts gambling from EU countries i believe, but in any case it may lead to reclassification.

Can be doable yes, but isn't trivial.