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Sydril
04-13-2011, 11:38 AM
Interesting build options coming from the U9 changes:

Dwarven Barbarian Shield Wall. Level 20 barbarian or 18 / 2 barbarian fighter

A Frenzied barbarian with 700+ hp, 9/- DR, 25% damage resistance, glancing blows from dwarven axe and 20% off hand shield bashes.


Melee Specced Warforged Earth Savant. Level 20 Sorcerer

An acid specced melee warforged sorcerer focused on strength and con with a 40 DC earthgrab and 500+ HP


Vampiric earth stance Ninja. 6 monk 12 wizard 2 whatever.

Vampiric shrouded earth stanced dark monk with x3 crit shortswords.


Anyone other crazy builds out there coming out of U9?

Impaqt
04-13-2011, 11:42 AM
The minor Monk splash Fighter based stunning build will be the flavor of the month.

Sydril
04-13-2011, 12:03 PM
The minor Monk splash Fighter based stunning build will be the flavor of the month.

like 18 /2 hand wrap kensai?

Impaqt
04-13-2011, 12:10 PM
like 18 /2 hand wrap kensai?

18/2

12/6/2

12/7/1

there will be many variations, but 50ish Stunning Fist and Stunning blow will be the standard across the builds.

Nebuchanezzar
04-13-2011, 12:28 PM
The minor Monk splash Fighter based stunning build will be the flavor of the month.

qft



sadly

Rusty_Can
04-13-2011, 12:29 PM
Vampiric earth stance Ninja. 6 monk 12 wizard 2 whatever.

Vampiric shrouded earth stanced dark monk with x3 crit shortswords.


This ain't happening: according to current release notes (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066), only Mountain Stances III and IV will provide +1 to critical multipliers of unarmed combat and monk weapons (on rolls of 19 and 20) and Master of Stone requires 12 monk levels.

elujin
04-13-2011, 01:59 PM
Interesting build options coming from the U9 changes:

Dwarven Barbarian Shield Wall. Level 20 barbarian or 18 / 2 barbarian fighter

A Frenzied barbarian with 700+ hp, 9/- DR, 25% damage resistance, glancing blows from dwarven axe and 20% off hand shield bashes.

love this one think it will work ?

Impaqt
04-13-2011, 02:33 PM
Interesting build options coming from the U9 changes:

Dwarven Barbarian Shield Wall. Level 20 barbarian or 18 / 2 barbarian fighter

A Frenzied barbarian with 700+ hp, 9/- DR, 25% damage resistance, glancing blows from dwarven axe and 20% off hand shield bashes.

love this one think it will work ?

um. no.


I do wonder if anyone thought to test the damage reduction from shields with Frenzy though...

elujin
04-13-2011, 02:37 PM
um. no.


I do wonder if anyone thought to test the damage reduction from shields with Frenzy though...


you can still use a thf so only capstone would be gone

Impaqt
04-13-2011, 02:44 PM
you can still use a thf so only capstone would be gone

Last I checked, you cant use a Two handed weapon and a shield at the same time....

Not sure why you would need the 2 fighter levels anyway.

jortann
04-13-2011, 02:45 PM
A good post U9 build....

A Level 20 Pure Archmage Wizard!

We will still be awesome~! Hit us with the nerf bat and we will get up and still be uber!

Mark my words Turbine!

MARK MY WORDS!




ok... i feel better now...

Darkrok
04-13-2011, 03:14 PM
This ain't happening: according to current release notes (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066), only Mountain Stances III and IV will provide +1 to critical multipliers of unarmed combat and monk weapons (on rolls of 19 and 20) and Master of Stone requires 12 monk levels.

12 monk/ 7 wizard (Death Aura/Zombie - assuming the attack speed debuff is for unarmed only)/ 1 whatever (rogue would work for more sneak damage).

Self-buffing/self-healing x3 crit shortswords in mountain III stance.

That would of course hinge on zombie form not applying the attack speed debuff to all weapons though.

elujin
04-13-2011, 03:15 PM
Last I checked, you cant use a Two handed weapon and a shield at the same time....

Not sure why you would need the 2 fighter levels anyway.

mebey you can't but me on the outher hand ...

no i mean as full dps option the fighter levels are for feats the shield ones

call me crazy but always wanted a shield barbarian mebey parred with a bunch of gards

Sydril
04-13-2011, 10:22 PM
Interesting build options coming from the U9 changes:

Dwarven Barbarian Shield Wall. Level 20 barbarian or 18 / 2 barbarian fighter

A Frenzied barbarian with 700+ hp, 9/- DR, 25% damage resistance, glancing blows from dwarven axe and 20% off hand shield bashes.

love this one think it will work ?


Of course it will work, will it be optimal? probably not, but it will still definitely work, and only requires 3 feats really.

Take a traditional THF dwarven barbarian build and swap the two handed feat lines for the shield feats and you're done. You still have a high dps THF with some options. Perfectly serviceable.

Xenus_Paradox
04-13-2011, 10:33 PM
This ain't happening: according to current release notes (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066), only Mountain Stances III and IV will provide +1 to critical multipliers of unarmed combat and monk weapons (on rolls of 19 and 20) and Master of Stone requires 12 monk levels.

Plus you only get x3 on 19-20, which means your DPS is significantly under what you'd get from just going unarmed.

elujin
04-14-2011, 01:21 AM
Of course it will work, will it be optimal? probably not, but it will still definitely work, and only requires 3 feats really.

Take a traditional THF dwarven barbarian build and swap the two handed feat lines for the shield feats and you're done. You still have a high dps THF with some options. Perfectly serviceable.

would be nice to get the thf line in there too but i guess trade offs must be made


Plus you only get x3 on 19-20, which means your DPS is significantly under what you'd get from just going unarmed.

does it count with all monk weapons cous it would turn longswords into khopeshes (khopeshi?)
mebey i am wrong its early here zzz :)

edite: oh only on a 19-20 roll ?

QuantumFX
04-14-2011, 02:56 AM
Sacred Fist: 2 Monk/18 Cleric Stunning Fist battle cleric build.

erikbozelie
04-14-2011, 05:05 AM
Sacred Fist: 2 Monk/18 Cleric Stunning Fist battle cleric build.

2monk 1roque 17 cleric as halfling with 1d6+16 sa.
, epic brawling gloves, 2 tod rings with holy burst and elemental burst, wielding holy custom hand wraps of stunning +10 or +6d6 smiting / disrupting / vorpal or any evil 10d6(hand wraps).
and 7-ish haste boosts through items.

butlerfamilywa
04-14-2011, 05:10 AM
Last I checked, you cant use a Two handed weapon and a shield at the same time....

Not sure why you would need the 2 fighter levels anyway.

Last I checked, Dwarf Axes and Bastard Swords were 1 handed, but used the THF Feats.. giving glancing blows while wearing a shield.

bryanmeerkat
04-14-2011, 05:38 AM
ANyone know if the changes to cleave will make them in anyway viable ?

elujin
04-14-2011, 05:44 AM
they no longer pause your attacking to perform from what i heard
i guess if you have the feats to spare there an option

Aaxeyu
04-14-2011, 05:58 AM
Of course it will work, will it be optimal? probably not, but it will still definitely work, and only requires 3 feats really.

Take a traditional THF dwarven barbarian build and swap the two handed feat lines for the shield feats and you're done. You still have a high dps THF with some options. Perfectly serviceable.

It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.

Seliana
04-14-2011, 06:16 AM
I have a build idea created by the U9 changes, but there's no way I'm posting it as it will just be hit with a nerf bat before U9 comes out.

I've seen too many aspiring new build concepts get directly targeted for nerfs simply because some Dev thought it would be overpowered.

elujin
04-14-2011, 06:24 AM
It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.

if spashing 2fightere you could take imp bash and shield mastery and leave the 5%dr (and 3 blocking dr) of imp shield mastery
and take all normal barb feats

you would only "lose" the capstone -3 str -2 con -1 rage rageduration -10% glancing blow dmg and 10% magical effects on glancing

less optimal but i woudn't call it total gimpage

Myrdinn
04-14-2011, 06:38 AM
12 monk/ 7 wizard (Death Aura/Zombie - assuming the attack speed debuff is for unarmed only)/ 1 whatever (rogue would work for more sneak damage).

Self-buffing/self-healing x3 crit shortswords in mountain III stance.

That would of course hinge on zombie form not applying the attack speed debuff to all weapons though.

Bad Idea, since with 7 lvl of wizard, you self healing will suck big time, and no other mean of healing yourself than the aura... which will heal you for like 7-8 lol.

If you want to go PM, you need at least 12 lvl of wizard, so the 12wiz/6mnk/2 whatever will still be better. :)

Missing_Minds
04-14-2011, 06:49 AM
call me crazy but always wanted a shield barbarian mebey parred with a bunch of gards

Not crazy to me. Look at how... books always showed vikings. Crazed barbarians using shields.

I'm still waiting to hear how they are going to do the Ravager, let alone Occult Slayer. I can see how ravager could go eaither way, but given how Occult Slayer could actually deflect spells (I hope I'm not making that up. It is way to early for me at the moment.) shield usage makes sense.

That and with the changes I'm VERY tempted to move him to dwarven axe with shield as is. Almost all of my slots are currently covered in guards.

The kicker.. My barb is still the old crit rage II, TWF. I'd probably do more damage over all by swapping over to khopesh's now with the changes to helplesness.

zealous
04-14-2011, 08:02 AM
It would be very gimped. Sure, they could take alot of beating, but they wouldn't be able to hold aggro from anyone.
You sure?

To me it seems you could potentially have a higher damage output with S&B than with non-eSOS 2h...

dwarf 18barb/2ftr: cleave, bash, thf line, pa, imp.crit, qd, mastery
+2 axe damage
litII DA or litII GA, cove shield
24 str bonus
9base+2enh+5enh+8pa+10 buffs + 8 items=42 with DA
42-1 enh-5.5 base=35.5
42+2.5base+8pa=52.5 base with GA
7+3.5=10.5 effects holy lightning weapon
Regular bloodstone.


S&B da gb sum dam double strike
str 1.45 0.36 1.81 43.35 2.601
bse 1.45 0.36 1.81 72.25 4.335
eff 0.95 0.10 1.05 11.04 0.6624646875
bst 0.50 0.11 0.61 6.74 0.40425
sek 0.60 0.11 0.71 4.28 0.2565
prc 0.95 0.11 1.06 12.68 0.76095
vicious 0.95 0.71 1.66 34.91 2.09475
185.25 11.1149146875

S&B shld dam
24 str 0.26 6.24
32.5 bse 0.26 8.45
0 eff 0.19 0.00
0 bst 0.07 0.00
0 sek 0.08 0.00
12 prc 0.00 0.00
21 vicious 0.19 3.99
18.68

2h ga gb sum dam
24 str 2.07 0.53 2.60 62.415
52.5 bse 1.45 0.36 1.81 94.828125
10.5 eff 0.95 0.10 1.05 11.041078125
11 bst 0.50 0.11 0.61 6.7375
6 sek 0.60 0.11 0.71 4.275
12 prc 0.95 0.11 1.06 12.6825
21 vicious 0.95 0.71 1.66 34.9125
226.891703125


So 215/animation for S&B, 227/animation for 2h

2h attack speed
Unboosted: 99.9
Boosted: 113.3
Avg: (19.6*113.3+10*99.9)/30/60~1.789 animations/s

Approximation* of 1h attack speed
Unboosted: 102.2
Boosted: 117.8
Avg: (19.6*117.8+10*102.2)/30/60~1.850

(215*1.850)/(227*1.789)~0.98


*Don't have current 1h attack speed, assuming same as twf. Previous estimations have generally put S&B above 2wf. see eg. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172819 and http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=201535

broolthebeast
04-14-2011, 08:16 AM
The lighting thief build - 20 dragon marked half elf air savant. Im calling it now. ;) 5 free call lightning storms, no need to spend a feat on evocation focus since the dragon mark of the storm feats let you take the full air savant chain. Cant wait to get tamby tr'ed into one. ;)

elujin
04-14-2011, 11:09 AM
Not crazy to me. Look at how... books always showed vikings. Crazed barbarians using shields.

I'm still waiting to hear how they are going to do the Ravager, let alone Occult Slayer. I can see how ravager could go eaither way, but given how Occult Slayer could actually deflect spells (I hope I'm not making that up. It is way to early for me at the moment.) shield usage makes sense.

That and with the changes I'm VERY tempted to move him to dwarven axe with shield as is. Almost all of my slots are currently covered in guards.

The kicker.. My barb is still the old crit rage II, TWF. I'd probably do more damage over all by swapping over to khopesh's now with the changes to helplesness.

i guess your right historically a berzerker was a naked jacked up dude withe hand axe (or spear) and a buckler :)



You sure?

To me it seems you could potentially have a higher damage output with S&B than with non-eSOS 2h...

dwarf 18barb/2ftr: cleave, bash, thf line, pa, imp.crit, qd, mastery
+2 axe damage
litII DA or litII GA, cove shield
24 str bonus
9base+2enh+5enh+8pa+10 buffs + 8 items=42 with DA
42-1 enh-5.5 base=35.5
42+2.5base+8pa=52.5 base with GA
7+3.5=10.5 effects holy lightning weapon
Regular bloodstone.


S&B da gb sum dam double strike
str 1.45 0.36 1.81 43.35 2.601
bse 1.45 0.36 1.81 72.25 4.335
eff 0.95 0.10 1.05 11.04 0.6624646875
bst 0.50 0.11 0.61 6.74 0.40425
sek 0.60 0.11 0.71 4.28 0.2565
prc 0.95 0.11 1.06 12.68 0.76095
vicious 0.95 0.71 1.66 34.91 2.09475
185.25 11.1149146875

S&B shld dam
24 str 0.26 6.24
32.5 bse 0.26 8.45
0 eff 0.19 0.00
0 bst 0.07 0.00
0 sek 0.08 0.00
12 prc 0.00 0.00
21 vicious 0.19 3.99
18.68

2h ga gb sum dam
24 str 2.07 0.53 2.60 62.415
52.5 bse 1.45 0.36 1.81 94.828125
10.5 eff 0.95 0.10 1.05 11.041078125
11 bst 0.50 0.11 0.61 6.7375
6 sek 0.60 0.11 0.71 4.275
12 prc 0.95 0.11 1.06 12.6825
21 vicious 0.95 0.71 1.66 34.9125
226.891703125


So 215/animation for S&B, 227/animation for 2h

2h attack speed
Unboosted: 99.9
Boosted: 113.3
Avg: (19.6*113.3+10*99.9)/30/60~1.789 animations/s

Approximation* of 1h attack speed
Unboosted: 102.2
Boosted: 117.8
Avg: (19.6*117.8+10*102.2)/30/60~1.850

(215*1.850)/(227*1.789)~0.98


*Don't have current 1h attack speed, assuming same as twf. Previous estimations have generally put S&B above 2wf. see eg. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172819 and http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=201535

not saying your wrong but it doesn't sound/feel right and as a side note a thf barb prob would take full barb levels if not going for stunning blow and thoughness

QuantumFX
04-14-2011, 08:06 PM
2monk 1roque 17 cleric as halfling with 1d6+16 sa.
, epic brawling gloves, 2 tod rings with holy burst and elemental burst, wielding holy custom hand wraps of stunning +10 or +6d6 smiting / disrupting / vorpal or any evil 10d6(hand wraps).
and 7-ish haste boosts through items.

No Thanks.

AtomicMew
04-14-2011, 09:27 PM
The lighting thief build - 20 dragon marked half elf air savant. Im calling it now. ;) 5 free call lightning storms, no need to spend a feat on evocation focus since the dragon mark of the storm feats let you take the full air savant chain. Cant wait to get tamby tr'ed into one. ;)

What would your feats look like?

DM 1-3
Toughness
Empower
Maximize
Heighten?

Seems kind of tight. You'd probably need to back that up with a caster past life or 9 just to be effective.

bigolbear
04-27-2011, 09:05 PM
What would your feats look like?

DM 1-3
Toughness
Empower
Maximize
Heighten?

Seems kind of tight. You'd probably need to back that up with a caster past life or 9 just to be effective.

nice idea except the dragon mark is broken as of the update