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Varthalos
03-14-2011, 12:03 AM
I think selling an item that would TR you but allow you to keep your raid completions count going would be a great idea. I know I would pay quite a bit for an item like this and it would make me more likely to want to keep playing the game for longer. At times I feel trapped by my desire to wait for some multiple of 20 quest completions before TRing, if I had the option to just save this progress I know I would TR more, have more fun playing, play longer and spend more money on playing.

Oh and --> http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3628116&posted=1#post3628116

MsEricka
03-14-2011, 11:24 AM
This should have been in suggestions, as it's not about a store item but a suggestion for a store item.

Also /not signed

Get your completions before you TR. Since a TR is like wiping the slate clean you're just asking for an easy button.

Thrudh
03-14-2011, 11:36 AM
you're just asking for an easy button.

***?

How is that an easy button?

I say /signed...

I'd pay extra for this. I've got a guy I want to TR today, but instead I'm waiting 3 weeks to get to 80 Shroud completions.

MsEricka
03-14-2011, 02:27 PM
It's "easy" because a TR is supposed to start with EVERYTHING reset. If you could keep your raid counters there would be no reason to wait to TR or attempt to coordinate your TR with anyone else. The whole point of a TR is to start anew with no favor and no xp kept and to be a challenge to players so you can receive the benefits of TR'ing.

After all, no one would want more easy button would they? Of course next up is keeping tomes after a TR (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=305596). Then of course comes letting TR's enter epics before level 20 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=296835). And finally there is always reducing tr xp requirements (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=231306).

No, no one in game is asking for more easy buttons when it comes to TR'ing.

xTethx
03-14-2011, 02:29 PM
It's "easy" because a TR is supposed to start with EVERYTHING reset. If you could keep your raid counters there would be no reason to wait to TR or attempt to coordinate your TR with anyone else. The whole point of a TR is to start anew with no favor and no xp kept and to be a challenge to players so you can receive the benefits of TR'ing.

After all, no one would want more easy button would they? Of course next up is keeping tomes after a TR (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=305596). Then of course comes letting TR's enter epics before level 20 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=296835). And finally there is always reducing tr xp requirements (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=231306).

No, no one in game is asking for more easy buttons when it comes to TR'ing.

Preach it! +1's

Cyr
03-14-2011, 02:34 PM
It's "easy" because a TR is supposed to start with EVERYTHING reset. If you could keep your raid counters there would be no reason to wait to TR or attempt to coordinate your TR with anyone else. The whole point of a TR is to start anew with no favor and no xp kept and to be a challenge to players so you can receive the benefits of TR'ing.

After all, no one would want more easy button would they? Of course next up is keeping tomes after a TR (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=305596). Then of course comes letting TR's enter epics before level 20 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=296835). And finally there is always reducing tr xp requirements (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=231306).

No, no one in game is asking for more easy buttons when it comes to TR'ing.

TR'ing has little to do with challenge and every thing to do with timesinks. It's not harder to do shadow crypt on normal 8 times then it is to run epics underlevel...

Lehmu
03-14-2011, 02:34 PM
a TR is supposed to start with EVERYTHING reset.

If this is the case, then why on earth do TRs get to keep their gear? Let's face it, having all that greensteel & raidloot is a much greater easy button than being only a few raids from your 20th.

If one really wanted everything reset, one wouldn't TR. One would reroll.

Impatiens
03-14-2011, 02:42 PM
It's "easy" because a TR is supposed to start with EVERYTHING reset.

Except TRs don't start with EVERYTHING reset. There's the Reincarnation cache. Having greensteel accessories at 11 and greensteel weapons at 12, and other raid gear like Tharnes at 13, is much more of an "easy" button than keeping raid timers would be. I don't see anyone clamoring to have Turbine take away our old gear when we TR though.


Of course next up is keeping tomes after a TR (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=305596).

Keeping raid completions and keeping tomes are two entirely different things. Tomes that are BtC raid loot should not be treated any differently than the gear that you get to keep when you TR too. Now, if we lost all our gear when we TRed too, then it wouldn't make sense to keep tomes. But we don't. Tomes are like gear, only permanently attached to you. I have yet to hear a compelling reason, either lore or mechanic wise, as to why tomes that you looted from a raid should be treated any differently than gear that you looted from a raid upon a TR.

Now, I certainly wouldn't mind keeping raid completions on a TR, but that is something that I can definitely understand people being opposed to. If you are very close to a 20th, 40th, etc raid there is no reason to TR before you get that completion. If you aren't close to a 20th completion TRing really won't set you back that much. I'm not personally opposed to it, though it wouldn't make much of a difference to me either way. If I were close to a 20th I'd still probably want to get to it before TRing even if completions were saved so that I had a chance at getting a new item or tome that would help me out after TRing.

Darkrok
03-14-2011, 03:01 PM
From Turbine's perspective, raid completions I could see happening at some point. You're more likely to buy a heart to TR if you can do so in a hurry (ie not have to wait for the 20th run of [insert raid here]). You're less likely to lose interest and change your mind about a TR. The list goes on. I'd imagine that TR's create more TP expenditures than most other things in the game.

As for the tome issue, that I definitely don't see Turbine wanting to do. Even though those +2 supreme tomes are wicked expensive I bet they sell quite a few of them and letting TR's keep the tomes might cut into that.

Impatiens
03-14-2011, 03:13 PM
From Turbine's perspective, raid completions I could see happening at some point. You're more likely to buy a heart to TR if you can do so in a hurry (ie not have to wait for the 20th run of [insert raid here]). You're less likely to lose interest and change your mind about a TR. The list goes on. I'd imagine that TR's create more TP expenditures than most other things in the game.

As for the tome issue, that I definitely don't see Turbine wanting to do. Even though those +2 supreme tomes are wicked expensive I bet they sell quite a few of them and letting TR's keep the tomes might cut into that.

I've addressed that +2 tome issue a bunch of times in the linked thread. The proposal is that only +3 and +4 tomes be kept since they are raid loot. There are many suggestions as to how this could be implemented some of which include needing a +2 tome to activate, though I think it would be simplest to just have a tome of the right value in your cache to use at the proper level (11 or 15). In which case if you wanted the +2 stat bonuses while leveling or needed them to activate a feat you would still need to use a +2 tome at seven. Anyway, I don't want to derail the OP's post anymore than I already have. If you have more comments related to tomes and TRing let's move them over to the other thread :)

Varthalos
03-15-2011, 07:42 PM
This should have been in suggestions, as it's not about a store item but a suggestion for a store item.

Also /not signed

Get your completions before you TR. Since a TR is like wiping the slate clean you're just asking for an easy button.

Thanks for the tips brah.

bobbryan2
03-15-2011, 07:50 PM
It's "easy" because a TR is supposed to start with EVERYTHING reset. If you could keep your raid counters there would be no reason to wait to TR or attempt to coordinate your TR with anyone else. The whole point of a TR is to start anew with no favor and no xp kept and to be a challenge to players so you can receive the benefits of TR'ing.

After all, no one would want more easy button would they? Of course next up is keeping tomes after a TR (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=305596). Then of course comes letting TR's enter epics before level 20 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=296835). And finally there is always reducing tr xp requirements (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=231306).

No, no one in game is asking for more easy buttons when it comes to TR'ing.

Letting people into epics underleve is an easy button?

Lleren
03-16-2011, 06:45 AM
Keeping tomes when you TR would make me more likely to do so on some of my characters.

Keeping Raid Completions would do the same thing.

Losing loot when you TR is silly.

Having to re-level with the current experience difference is enough of a penalty.

blitzschlag
03-16-2011, 06:51 AM
where is this new-wave-of-easy-button-suggestions coming from lately?

you want raid completions rewards? don't tr unless you have what you need. simple.
or
you want to constantly tr with subpar gear? simple too.

Lorz
03-16-2011, 07:00 AM
/not signed
/and yes ive tr'd more than most.....its part of the deal.

Lleren
03-16-2011, 07:09 AM
I don't think its new. Many suggestions on any MMO forum I've ever checked out are about making aspects of the specific game less annoying. This happening is older then DDO. It is likely as old as Forums.

Maybe yer just getting old n grumpy =p

Renvar
03-16-2011, 07:58 AM
I've addressed that +2 tome issue a bunch of times in the linked thread. The proposal is that only +3 and +4 tomes be kept since they are raid loot. There are many suggestions as to how this could be implemented some of which include needing a +2 tome to activate, though I think it would be simplest to just have a tome of the right value in your cache to use at the proper level (11 or 15). In which case if you wanted the +2 stat bonuses while leveling or needed them to activate a feat you would still need to use a +2 tome at seven. Anyway, I don't want to derail the OP's post anymore than I already have. If you have more comments related to tomes and TRing let's move them over to the other thread :)

I don't know why this tome issue is so hard for people. Maybe because they REALLY REALLY want to keep those tomes.

But look. Tomes are CONSUMABLES. Just like mana pots and haste pots. Once you consume them, they are gone. Sure, the effect of the tome is longer lasting, but it's still a consumable.

If you have tomes in your inventory when you TR then you still have them after. Same with any other pot, scroll, or wand with charges. But you don't get back any other consumables already consumed either.

Tomes <> Raid Loot
Tomes = Consumables

I know those +4's are rare and valued, but that doesn't change what they are.

EDIT: On topic: Keeping raid completions would be nice to have, but wouldn't really change my planning all that much. I'd still want to get to those 20/40/60 marks to get the tomes/gear in place to TR. If I already have what I need, I'm not holding off for 20-30 days just to get to a benchmark. Either the toon is ready, or it isn't. If it makes some people happy and makes Turbine more money (translation: more content/races/classes) then it doesn't bother me.

Ziindarax
03-16-2011, 08:10 AM
It's "easy" because a TR is supposed to start with EVERYTHING reset. If you could keep your raid counters there would be no reason to wait to TR or attempt to coordinate your TR with anyone else. The whole point of a TR is to start anew with no favor and no xp kept and to be a challenge to players so you can receive the benefits of TR'ing.

After all, no one would want more easy button would they? Of course next up is keeping tomes after a TR (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=305596). Then of course comes letting TR's enter epics before level 20 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=296835). And finally there is always reducing tr xp requirements (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=231306).

No, no one in game is asking for more easy buttons when it comes to TR'ing.

To truly accomplish the "EVERYTHING" reset, perhaps TR's should start with NO money as they did in their first life... but somehow I don't think you'd be for that (I know I wouldn't). >.>

Oh, and you can keep tomes so long as you don't use them prior to TR'ing.