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ZenAkrua
02-05-2011, 06:28 PM
I'm just looking for some guidance from the more experienced people here. :D

Concept:
- Rog/ftr anything but half-elf or halfling (doesn't matter what the splash is, as long as the stats aren't too stretched, just figured it would benefit from the toughness, level ratio is up in the air too)
- Assassin with trap skills up to epic
- Diplo and Bluff no-fail for conversations, in-battle use is good too but not necessary

The questions I have are:

How do I lay out my skills? What are the highest conversation DCs for Bluff and Diplo, because that would help.

What weapon should I go for? Rapiers? Khopeshes? I know Rad II, but as for the blank, I'm unsure.

Feat progression. I understand the weapon I choose will dictate which imp crit I go for as well as if I need to account for TWF. I guess I'll start with the feats that the rogue PrEs require?

PS: This is purely going to be a fun build, but I won't even roll it up if it'd be a detriment to the party.

ZenAkrua
02-05-2011, 08:04 PM
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.1
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Daksha Pendragon
Level 1 True Neutral Drow Female
(1 Rogue)
Hit Points: 31
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 0
Fortitude: 2
Reflex: 5
Will: -1

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 1)
Strength 16 16
Dexterity 16 16
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 12 12
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 10 10

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 1)
Balance 6 6
Bluff 4 4
Concentration 2 2
Diplomacy 4 4
Disable Device 5 5
Haggle 0 0
Heal -1 -1
Hide 5 6
Intimidate 0 0
Jump 3 3
Listen -1 1
Move Silently 5 6
Open Lock 7 7
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 5 7
Spot 3 5
Swim 3 3
Tumble 4 4
Use Magic Device 4 4

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I

AylinIsAwesome
02-06-2011, 12:12 PM
Concept:
- Mechanic II and Assassin II

I think you'd get more responses if you didn't ask for impossible things.

ZenAkrua
02-06-2011, 02:04 PM
Yeah, after talking with a guildie I realized that, lol..

I edited my first and second posts.

AylinIsAwesome
02-06-2011, 11:00 PM
How's this?


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.0 BETA
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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 292
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 15
Will: 4

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 17 24 24
Dexterity 15 17 17
Constitution 17 19 20
Intelligence 11 12 14
Wisdom 6 6 6
Charisma 6 6 6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 5 23 24
Bluff 2 21 28
Concentration 3 5 6
Diplomacy 2 21 22
Disable Device 4 25 26
Haggle -2 21 22
Heal -2 -2 -1
Hide 2 3 12
Intimidate -2 -2 -1
Jump 7 26 27
Listen -2 -2 -1
Move Silently 2 3 12
Open Lock 6 26 27
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 0 2 3
Search 4 25 26
Spot -2 -2 -1
Swim 3 7 8
Tumble 3 4 5
Use Magic Device 2 21 22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Immunities


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III

ZenAkrua
02-07-2011, 01:06 PM
Not even gonna lie, I'm not a warforged person. But I'm willing to try this out and see how it plays, because it looks really sturdy. I'm concerned about the Diplo being lower than the Bluff; is that the highest you need for, say, Epic Partycrashers or Epic Von1 for the kobold? If so I'll go crawl in a corner. xD

AylinIsAwesome
02-07-2011, 02:07 PM
Not even gonna lie, I'm not a warforged person. But I'm willing to try this out and see how it plays, because it looks really sturdy. I'm concerned about the Diplo being lower than the Bluff; is that the highest you need for, say, Epic Partycrashers or Epic Von1 for the kobold? If so I'll go crawl in a corner. xD

Assassin gives bonuses to Bluff, which is why it's higher.

You can wear a +6 CHA item (+3 to both), +15 items, up to +6 from Shroud items, +4 from Greater Heroism, Rogue Skill Boost, Bard Song, Monk Walk of the Sun, CHA tomes...

Also some guild buffs probably will up it too. It should be fine.


EDIT: I did Warforged since, besides Dwarf, it has the highest hitpoints of any race, which is what it seemed like you wanted. I chose WF over Dwarf for the higher DPS. Human might also work as well, though the DPS will be lowered.