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h4x0r1f1c
10-20-2010, 09:12 PM
Wizards:

1) They can change spells any time of the day. Even in quests! (at shrines)

2) They don't have to pay when they exchange spells.

3) They can exchange spells more than 1 at a time.

4) They get Insightful Reflexes which in most cases is better than Force of Personality.

5) They can take Necromancer and be immune to Dance and stuff.

6) They get more feats because they get their metamagics for free.

7) If you TR you get a wicked 10 force missile clicky that bypasses Nightshield.

8) They get more spells.

9) Since Update 7 they can now get a ton of SP.

Sorcerers get:

1) Faster casting.

2) "More" SP.

3) A good capstone.

4) A hard time with spell swapping.

k1ngp1n
10-20-2010, 09:14 PM
Good luck. Sorcerers are still considered by many to be superior to wizards. The concerns of PvP are hardly the concerns of PvE. PvE > PvP for class design.

Cernunan
10-20-2010, 09:18 PM
So, you FINALLY seem to start grasping the game mechanics.

CONGRADULATIONS!!!!

Lorien_the_First_One
10-20-2010, 09:40 PM
What are you smoking tonight?

Goldeneye
10-20-2010, 09:51 PM
Sorcs are fine. With the addition of wizard prestige, the 2 arcane classes are on par IMO. Don't make any judgment calls as to wizard vs. sorc balance until sorc PrE's come out.

(can we please please have our sorc prestiges...)

Goldeneye
10-20-2010, 09:52 PM
Lol, you're on a roll calling for nerfs tonight.
Feeling a little pessimistic?

Goldeneye
10-20-2010, 09:55 PM
Ha ha, I can confirm that from personal experience :P

Ullysses
10-20-2010, 10:04 PM
The 'PVP Expert' line says it all...

Expert at the 1% of the game that 95% of people don't care about.

Nothing is balanced in 'PVP', an expert should know this. This game is about PVE first and foremost.

I use PVP to test out builds against guildys. To see which ones are better at certain things. But it's just a testing grounds to us.

And I've found most builds made to excel at PVP are generally lacking in the other 99% of this game. Though there are exceptions.

Auran82
10-20-2010, 10:09 PM
Sorcs are fine. With the addition of wizard prestige, the 2 arcane classes are on par IMO. Don't make any judgment calls as to wizard vs. sorc balance until sorc PrE's come out.

(can we please please have our sorc prestiges...)

I'm just hoping that either:

a) Sorcs get a pre where they can focus on spell DCs if they want to (hell, I dont really know why Sorcs can't take archmage if they want to and can qualify for it, you would need to sacrifice a fair bit to fit in 2/3 spell focus feats and MT on a sorc anyway)

b) Something is done to make sustainable spell damage more viable, other than firewall, hoping this isn't "OMG LOOK ACID WALL JOB DONE CASE CLOSED"

h4x0r1f1c
10-20-2010, 11:52 PM
We need a PRE that makes us immune to Dance also.

phalaeo
10-20-2010, 11:59 PM
So play a f***ing Wizard.

You do know that you can have one of each, right?

shadow_419
10-21-2010, 12:01 AM
Here's an idea, get a good DC and cast halt undead. :D

ZeroTakenaka
10-21-2010, 12:07 AM
We need a PRE that makes us immune to Dance also.

What sorcerer needs are PrEs in general... I don't like pvp so I won't talk about it

Sorcerers are fine as is due to:
A. Faster Casting Time
B. Shorter Cooldowns(Spam more spells in a shorter amount of time)
C. Higher SP and Double SP from items.
D. Lack of actually useful spells.

If you want to PvP Haxor then try the Acolyte of the Skin PrE for sorcerers. (Whenever that comes out.) (( Unsure of the abilities on it... but you become a demon! ))

asphodeli
10-21-2010, 12:08 AM
Dude, seriously, you need to attend PvPers Anonymous, and go through the 12-step programme.