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h4x0r1f1c
09-24-2010, 09:35 AM
Okey dokie y'all know that if you have stat damage Reconstruct won't remove it but Heal will, right?

Well.. At a 34 CON raged, I've seen my CON drop to 17 after like 2 hits after getting jumped by a ranger dude, but I survived barely. Then I was like "oh man that's dumb" and had to hop up and get my friend to throw a Heal on me.

Now, sure it's PvP I'm talking about but it can be nice for PvE too I mean they let the Heal spell do it..

Consider if you were a warforged (who liked questing with other WF casters who acted as healbots) right?

If your warforged body gets damaged/broken/a scraped knee/gingivitis/rabies then Reconstruct does what? It fixes you! Stat damage should be fixed too because like.. well, is it not fixable?

"Oh man you got some stat damage and you're all f'd up lol here." *Reconstruct!* "Yay man you're so great at fixing things ilusm." *Kiss*

Aexicas
09-24-2010, 11:22 AM
Y'know, I actually like this idea! It might not be in line with PnP, but this would make soloing as a warforged even easier; much more convenient. Though, I might limit this to physical stats cured only (ie, Str/Dex/Con), since repairing the mind is a lot different, I'd think.

Still, good idea. Metaphoric +1 to you (wow, didn't think I'd say that to hax! XD)

h4x0r1f1c
09-24-2010, 11:25 AM
Y'know, I actually like this idea! It might not be in line with PnP, but this would make soloing as a warforged even easier; much more convenient. Though, I might limit this to physical stats cured only (ie, Str/Dex/Con), since repairing the mind is a lot different, I'd think.

Still, good idea. Metaphoric +1 to you (wow, didn't think I'd say that to hax! XD)

Oh yeah totally dude just the stat damage I don't care about mind-effects lol I got a Will save for that one.

Visty
09-24-2010, 11:28 AM
use a scroll or drink a pot

/not signed

only gods can cure stat damage, not every willynilly bookworm which runs around

Eladiun
09-24-2010, 11:29 AM
You already get a bonus from Reconstruct, the attack speed boost and it is unaffected by healing curses. Adding more would be too much WF love...

h4x0r1f1c
09-24-2010, 11:34 AM
use a scroll or drink a pot

/not signed

only gods can cure stat damage, not every willynilly bookworm which runs around

If gods can cure stat damage then how come certain weapons can dish it out? Do they have an opposing almighty power?

If it's possible to mangle my STR, DEX, or CON with an item then how come with all my arcane know-how and my being Warforged (only race unlockable by DDO points) won't let me fix it up?

stainer
09-24-2010, 11:35 AM
If gods can cure stat damage then how come certain weapons can dish it out?

If it's possible to mangle my STR, DEX, or CON with an item then how come with all my arcane know-how and my being Warforged (only race unlockable by DDO points) won't let me fix it up?

Lvl 20 Sorc and you can't umd a heal scroll or a GR scroll?

h4x0r1f1c
09-24-2010, 11:44 AM
Lvl 20 Sorc and you can't umd a heal scroll or a GR scroll?

Not while being Manyshot also uhh for PvE purposes it might make sense to let a rogue mechanic do this too.

stainer
09-24-2010, 11:53 AM
Not while being Manyshot also uhh for PvE purposes it might make sense to let a rogue mechanic do this too.

Oh. I didn't know this was PvP related.

/yawn

Thargnar
09-24-2010, 11:58 AM
Having Reconstruct fix stat damage * la Heal isn't like having an easy button, it's like a fatty needing a dialing wand to hit the easy button.

Phidius
09-24-2010, 11:58 AM
use a scroll or drink a pot...

Agreed.


...only gods can cure stat damage, not every willynilly bookworm which runs around

We arcane ARE gods to the WF :D

Phidius
09-24-2010, 12:01 PM
You already get a bonus from Reconstruct, the attack speed boost and it is unaffected by healing curses. Adding more would be too much WF love...

I hear that the New Invasion was so popular with the devs that they're thinking about making all the healing curses work the same...

h4x0r1f1c
09-24-2010, 12:02 PM
We arcane ARE gods to the WF :D

True dat y'all fleshy rodents believe in clerics while us construct greater beings believe in magic.

That said I think arcane warforged should be able to have their own in-game religion like the clerics/fvs get.

All hail the Disciples of Voltron!

elujin
09-24-2010, 12:05 PM
let the mecanic do it finaly some use for that ability :D

Lennom2
09-24-2010, 12:13 PM
/signed, :)

Bunker
09-24-2010, 12:17 PM
Going to have to say no on this one. This would simply be 1 more reason to never need a divine in the game. Reconstruct has it's benifits. I suppose if you offer the Speed bonus to the Heal spell, I would be up for it. :rolleyes:

There are other ways to cure stat dmg besides Heal.

h4x0r1f1c
10-01-2010, 10:18 PM
Going to have to say no on this one. This would simply be 1 more reason to never need a divine in the game. Reconstruct has it's benifits. I suppose if you offer the Speed bonus to the Heal spell, I would be up for it. :rolleyes:

There are other ways to cure stat dmg besides Heal.

Fleshies would need them and Warforged you gotta' pay DDO points for.

I don't mind them gaining a speed bonus in trade for stat damage repairing. :P

toughguyjoe
10-01-2010, 10:27 PM
Absolutely not. The spell repairs physical damaged inflicted to machinery, not magical weakening of your ability scores.

h4x0r1f1c
10-01-2010, 10:31 PM
magical

How about letting Break Enchantment do this then?

Nailog
10-01-2010, 10:34 PM
If your Reconstruct can remove stat damage, my Heal should haste me.

After all, a ****load of positive energy just surged into me. Logically, that would be quite a rush.

h4x0r1f1c
10-01-2010, 10:50 PM
If your Reconstruct can remove stat damage, my Heal should haste me.

After all, a ****load of positive energy just surged into me. Logically, that would be quite a rush.

Since I'm a machine if my stats are damaged they should be repairable.

I don't care 'bout the mental affects like Heal gets.

Oh, also there is no Mass Reconstruct but y'all get Mass Heal.

Reconstruct won't work on fleshies but Heal works on both.

See Heal gets everything come on give some to Reconstruct.

I wouldn't mind Heal speeding your damage a bit.

Reconstruct only does that if you Reconstruct from being hurt.

If you're not hurt and you use Reconstruct you gain no benefit.

Cylinwolf
10-01-2010, 11:07 PM
How about letting Break Enchantment do this then?

"This spell frees victims from enchantments, transmutations, and curses."

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/breakenchantment.htm

If you lost your mental stats because I turned your brain into one of the comparable processing power of a saltine, then yes. (Or, say, Touch of Idiocy.)

Losing Charisma from the Quori-spiders in VoN 2 because it's being poisoned out of you? No, you can't cure that with break enchantment.

bigolbear
10-01-2010, 11:09 PM
ok not signed but heres why...

on the subject of stat damage to a warforge, what the hell.. i mean seriously warforge are suposed to be imune to almost all sources of stat damage but those imunities are not working and weve all become complacent about them not working.

STR damage: weakening weapons do and should work, its a magical debilitating effect.
shadows, wraiths and umbral stuf should not be giving warforge stat damage, the stat damage comes from a lesser energy drain effect and thus should be blocked by wf imunities

DEX damage: bone breaking.. um what bones? still i guess it could be taken to mean metal shafts and pieces of livewood and such.

CON damage:
wounding/puncturing weapons should only affect oponents that can bleed, oponents that have delicate internal organs to puncture, perhaps if you consider the sap like blood and such then maybe but for me its pushing it.
Again shadows wraiths etc should not be doing stat damage for all the reasons listed above.

int/wis/charisma...nothing to see here..

further more to all these points heal offers significant benefits as well as hp, reconstruct does not - the 30 second speed boost does not stack with and is worse than haste so it can basicly be ignored. reconstruct is not empowerable meaning that a cleric or fvs will probably heal a warforge for more than a fully speced repair caster.

reconstruct needs to offer some benefits to put it par with heal. id suggest having it fix the kind of maladies warforge are more likely to suffer from than fleshlings, id say make the speed boost stack but frankly mele (especialy wf) dont need more dps.

Have it remove stun efects from rusties, have it temporarily increase fortification (bear in mind the devs are bringing in ways to lower fort) perhaps as has been sugested have it fix physical stat damage but i maintain that this should very rarely be an issue. And definately make it empowerable. oh and mass reconstruct plz.

basicly my feeling is that reconstruct SHOULD be a beter spell to cast on a damaged warforge than heal, curently its not.

h4x0r1f1c
10-01-2010, 11:33 PM
Yeah that's a better idea just make me immune to the STR, DEX, and CON damage and you can keep the spells the way they are lol

Scraap
10-01-2010, 11:54 PM
Not while being Manyshot also uhh for PvE purposes it might make sense to let a rogue mechanic do this too.

While the majority of my toons are warforged, I do have to admit the reconstruct notions a bit much, but this one right here if done in moderation (like 1 point a cycle) might actually extend the utility of that ability a few levels farther.

Asketes
10-02-2010, 12:55 AM
um..

NO!

h4x0r1f1c
10-02-2010, 11:02 AM
While the majority of my toons are warforged, I do have to admit the reconstruct notions a bit much, but this one right here if done in moderation (like 1 point a cycle) might actually extend the utility of that ability a few levels farther.

That would be fine with me, too.

If I'm taking STR damage I'd like to know I can always have 1up on the dude so I never reach 0 and can defend myself.

Srozbun
10-02-2010, 11:08 AM
How about letting Break Enchantment do this then?

How about letting a potion do this then? Oh wait.....it already does

h4x0r1f1c
10-02-2010, 11:13 AM
How about letting a potion do this then? Oh wait.....it already does

Good luck staying alive and drinking a Lesser Restoration potion at the same time while being Manyshot.

You'd drink the potion and take another -1 STR damage while never getting the chance to heal.

Not a fair fight if you have to hunker down until you run out of STR and can no longer defend yourself.

You can't even jump anywhere due to your lack of STR.

If you fight back, rangers are going to be hitting you quicker than your spells hit them.

Also, if you don't block then they'll hit you for -4 STR at a time making you go down way faster.

Try landing a Scorching Ray on a hopping ranger, or a Meteor Swarm that'll actually kill them for the few that hit.

Srozbun
10-02-2010, 11:19 AM
Good luck staying alive and drinking a Lesser Restoration potion at the same time while being Manyshot.

You'd drink the potion and take another -1 STR damage while never getting the chance to heal.

Not a fair fight if you have to hunker down until you run out of STR and can no longer defend yourself.

You can't even jump anywhere due to your lack of STR.

If you fight back, rangers are going to be hitting you quicker than your spells hit them.

Also, if you don't block then they'll hit you for -4 STR at a time making you go down way faster.

Try landing a Scorching Ray on a hopping ranger, or a Meteor Swarm that'll actually kill them for the few that hit.

Oh, so you mean this is only about balancing PvP? PvP is imbalanced in DDO. This is a PvE game. Get over it. Also, it doesn't sound like you want balance in PvP. What you'd prefer is an imbalance....towards your WF sorc EVEN MORE THAN THERE ALREADY IS.

Here is a thought. You have displacement, you have polar ray/meteor swarm/cone of cold/a million other nuke spells. You have buff spells. You can disable the AA with hold/dance. Or you could just avoid the PvP pit when there is an archer in there, and go back to owning everything else down there.

Edit: This turned out more vitriolic than I intended. For that I apologize. However, instead of proposing suggestions for the sake of PvP, how about consider how it will affect the rest of the game? WF already have the advantage of being able to be healed by two sources. Reconstruct gives a bonus attack speed to WF. Reconstruct can be applied through (most) healing curses. Having it also remove stat damage is even more imbalanced.

testing1234
10-02-2010, 11:37 AM
WF that take the 100% fortification feat and get the immunity to heal, can actually see certain balance in letting those get restored by reconstruction. sure its not a to hard burden for a wf wizard but still it has consequences even for those.

andbr22
10-02-2010, 12:02 PM
Hax - does being arcane should make you totally "i can do anything", and noone have rights to kill me in PvP. Let's see you can cast damage spells, ok you cannot melee (oh wait... No one have any AC so you can melee - just take Divine clikie, but why would you want it is not like enemies are totally immune to your spells), you cannot heal (oh wait... you are construct and you can repair youself easly), you cannot cure statuses (oh wait... most are covered by immunites, and rest are possible to cure with potions (of course if you have a bit time at least)), you can see invisible (and laught at thoes rouges that try to sneak attack you, or even spam smite construct/wrack construct (they only ticklish you can kill them with 95% with 1 or 2 spells)).

One last question how often you are killed in PvP by other class than Archers or others Arcanes (bard excluded)...

Waukeen
10-02-2010, 12:09 PM
No.

The division between reconstruct and heal is balanced (speed boost to stat dmg regen).

A Suggestion for your "suggestions," people might take you seriously, but everything you post is meant to improve the lot of the WF Caster in PvP

which is boardering on insanity because we all know they do not need any help to be balanced.

so a ranger WoE or WoP you down in a hurry, slaying arrows getting ya down?

so what? you have plenty of ranged ways to get them.

and once again, it all falls on deaf ears because <1% of players give a **** about PvP

/good day

Hendrik
10-02-2010, 01:38 PM
Oh. I didn't know this was PvP related.

/yawn

Dude, his posts are ALWAYS PvP related.

And, not /signed!!!!

Robi3.0
10-03-2010, 12:04 PM
Good luck staying alive and drinking a Lesser Restoration potion at the same time while being Manyshot.

You'd drink the potion and take another -1 STR damage while never getting the chance to heal.

Not a fair fight if you have to hunker down until you run out of STR and can no longer defend yourself.

You can't even jump anywhere due to your lack of STR.

If you fight back, rangers are going to be hitting you quicker than your spells hit them.

Also, if you don't block then they'll hit you for -4 STR at a time making you go down way faster.

Try landing a Scorching Ray on a hopping ranger, or a Meteor Swarm that'll actually kill them for the few that hit.

So what quest are you running that you are getting Manyshoted by a stat damaging weapon?

Wait a minute are you crying about PvP again?

vVAnjilaVv
10-03-2010, 12:07 PM
/totally unsigned

WF'ed already start the game with a ton of immunities.

h4x0r1f1c
10-03-2010, 03:57 PM
/totally unsigned

WF'ed already start the game with a ton of immunities.

As they should since they're the only race you gotta' pay DDO points for.

I think we should be immune to stat damage. :)

toughguyjoe
10-04-2010, 12:33 AM
As they should since they're the only race you gotta' pay DDO points for.

I think we should be immune to stat damage. :)

I think there's a new AA leveling on your server ;)

Dragonhyde
10-04-2010, 01:08 AM
/not signed mainly due to the whole not a divine spell issue :)

Bacab
10-04-2010, 01:10 AM
[QUOTE=h4x0r1f1c;3288304]
If your warforged body gets rabies then Reconstruct does what? It fixes you! Stat damage should be fixed too because like.. well, is it not fixable?

QUOTE]

I want to keep Rabies...its increases my DPS

Deaths_ward
10-04-2010, 01:17 AM
Good luck staying alive and drinking a Lesser Restoration potion at the same time while being Manyshot.

You'd drink the potion and take another -1 STR damage while never getting the chance to heal.

Not a fair fight if you have to hunker down until you run out of STR and can no longer defend yourself.

You can't even jump anywhere due to your lack of STR.

If you fight back, rangers are going to be hitting you quicker than your spells hit them.

Also, if you don't block then they'll hit you for -4 STR at a time making you go down way faster.

Try landing a Scorching Ray on a hopping ranger, or a Meteor Swarm that'll actually kill them for the few that hit.

PvP thread is epic fail. Anyone who actually wastes time on PvP is epic fail. I feel like I'm failing by posting in the PvP thread. Bye.

cpito
10-04-2010, 01:29 AM
If I'm taking STR damage I'd like to know I can always have 1up on the dude so I never reach 0 and can defend myself.


Not a fair fight if you have to hunker down until you run out of STR and can no longer defend yourself.

So it's not a fair fight unless you have the edge?

Hendrik
10-04-2010, 08:52 AM
Since I'm a machine if my stats are damaged they should be repairable.

They can and are repairable via Restore pots, scrolls, and spell.

I don't care 'bout the mental affects like Heal gets.

Umm, what mental effects does Heal grant again?

Oh, also there is no Mass Reconstruct but y'all get Mass Heal.

So?

Reconstruct won't work on fleshies but Heal works on both.

Sure does and with a nice penalty to the Heal as well

See Heal gets everything come on give some to Reconstruct.

How about NO. If you want to re-write spells to suit you, try DMing a game or go to work for WOTC when you get older.

I wouldn't mind Heal speeding your damage a bit.

The rest of us would though.

Reconstruct only does that if you Reconstruct from being hurt.

If you're not hurt and you use Reconstruct you gain no benefit.

Again, so? Same thing with Heal.



I would like to suggest you get out of a Tavern and go play the game, but we all here know that won't happen. In light of that, maybe time for you to go back and re-learn some basic fundamentals of DnD.

Lorien_the_First_One
10-04-2010, 08:58 AM
As they should since they're the only race you gotta' pay DDO points for.

I think we should be immune to stat damage. :)

You dont think you should just gain immunity to death in general? :rolleyes: