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Vidfinnx
06-17-2010, 10:44 AM
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard)
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 701
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 15
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 15 18
Dexterity 16 17
Constitution 14 15
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 12 18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 26
Bluff 1 4
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy 1 4
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 4 26
Heal -1 -1
Hide 3 3
Intimidate 1 4
Jump 6 27
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently 3 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform 5 27
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot -1 -1
Swim 2 4
Tumble 4 4
Use Magic Device 5 27

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II


Level 8 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery III


Level 16 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery IV


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Human Versatility II





this is my pure 20 warchanter build, with advice taken from roq star and madmatt70
i want to know how well it would fair healing and suck

Carlll
06-17-2010, 11:06 AM
It doesnt have any meta magics for healing so the build wont do any heavy-duty healing. Mostly you'd want Quicken and Maximize.

But it's a solid melee build.

Extend is missing which is a pity for Haste and Displacement.

dkyle
06-17-2010, 11:12 AM
It looks like you're putting some levelups in CHA. Bad idea; put them all in STR. 12 base CHA is plenty.

Extend isn't really necessary; it's mostly a convenience feat. I wouldn't drop anything you're taking for it.

Sothary
06-17-2010, 11:19 AM
Why go pure Bard? I have a twf khopesh type warchanter human that is 16 Bard / 2 Rogue / 2 Fighter

Nice to disable traps and the fighter for a little more hp and extra feat.

Vidfinnx
06-17-2010, 01:07 PM
i actually was debating swapping in extend and quicken for khopesh and improved critical i meant to post that in my post. I just would like to be able to heal pug quests and stuff like that which is why im putting some level ups into cha for more sp. i wanna be more of like backline melee, and im going pure bard for max buffs. I was originally a twf spellsinger the twf deadly singer build

Vidfinnx
06-17-2010, 01:13 PM
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard)
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 701
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 15
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 15 18
Dexterity 16 17
Constitution 14 15
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 12 18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 26
Bluff 1 4
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy 1 4
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 4 26
Heal -1 -1
Hide 3 3
Intimidate 1 4
Jump 6 27
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently 3 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform 5 27
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot -1 -1
Swim 2 4
Tumble 4 4
Use Magic Device 5 27

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery III


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery IV


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Human Versatility II



updated

unbongwah
06-17-2010, 04:01 PM
Can you find or afford a +2 DEX tome? If so, I would go base STR 16 / DEX 15.

As a Warchanter, you don't need so much CHA. Those three lvl-up points you put into CHA earn you a whoppin' 58 spell points if I'm doing my mathz right - hardly worth it. I would just put all your lvl-ups into STR instead.

Skills look solid, though I consider Diplomacy important, even though aggro management can be a bit wonky in DDO. You're a low-HP melee build, so you're REALLY gonna want to discourage mobs from attacking you. Fascinate will also save your bacon at times.

You took WF Slash, but if you're a pure bard who doesn't take khopesh, you're probably best off using rapiers, which are Piercing. Also, if you have to choose between Improved Crit or GTWF, I would lean towards Imp Crit unless you plan to use only keen or MinII rapiers.

It looks like you didn't take the human Imp Recovery enhs. I recommend that you do if you can squeeze them in: heal smarter, not more often! :)

Noctus
06-17-2010, 04:16 PM
ALL level up raises into STR.

CHA only needs to be just high enough to cast your buffs. Everything above is a waste and would have a much, muuuuuuuch higher payoff if invested into STR instead.



Quicken is useless to a build as such. EWP:Kopesh is leagues better.


The rest of the build is fine.

Vidfinnx
06-17-2010, 05:48 PM
cant get a dex 2 tome, someone told me to take quicken because then i can spam heals in the shroud or something

Noctus
06-17-2010, 07:21 PM
cant get a dex 2 tome, someone told me to take quicken because then i can spam heals in the shroud or something


I would ignore further build "advice" from this source. :rolleyes:

Vidfinnx
06-17-2010, 07:44 PM
heh, i want to have enough sp to at least maintain buffs like haste and blur/displacement extended maybe i will not get quicken then but get extend
why would i want to put all level ups into str

Noctus
06-18-2010, 08:20 AM
2 level ups invested into CHA raises your SP-pool from ~1.100 to incredible 1.129 :rolleyes:. And offensive spells will still be failing. Your DC is not in a region where success is possible, even if the mob rolled a 2.


Into STR you hit better and deal more damage. Missing is unfun.


Basically the gain from investing into CHA is totally neglect able, while by raising STR you will fight better, which is not trivial.


P.S.
Extend is a decent feat choice. Saves SP when buffing and less a hassle.

Vidfinnx
06-18-2010, 11:03 AM
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard)
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 701
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 15
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 15 18
Dexterity 16 17
Constitution 14 15
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 12 18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 26
Bluff 1 4
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy 1 4
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 4 26
Heal -1 -1
Hide 3 3
Intimidate 1 4
Jump 6 27
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently 3 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform 5 27
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot -1 -1
Swim 2 4
Tumble 4 4
Use Magic Device 5 27

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery III


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery IV


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Human Versatility II








heh i see these leet warchanters with like 1000sp i wonder how they manage to get such a huge pool, oh yah some of my level ups are to get the minimum cha to cast spells, are there any cool bludgeoning weapon effects if i decided to switch to them. I think it would be cool to be play drums on my enemies head lol, so if slashing is overall better i will stick to that. I am debating whether i should swap extend to a lower level instead of improved two weapon fighting, its pretty annoying to have to keep recasting blur so much lol. I like it better if it last longer, but yeah i looked over the build and found out that i do have minimum charisma, the ability increases are due to just keep the minimum charisma level, how hard is it to find items to supplement for this, am i better off putting them into str and using items to supplement for minimum? like i said im a noob right now and it would be great to put them all in strength. I found a +3 charisma cloak on auction house for level 7 which is all i would need to put them all in strength would i be better off using this to put level ups in strength

tihocan
06-18-2010, 12:39 PM
some of my level ups are to get the minimum cha to cast spells
Bad idea, just rely on a +Cha item for this. Also, if you really insist on a higher Cha, then start with a higher one instead of spending level-ups in Cha (you'll see you can save points this way). Getting above 1k SPs on a L20 pure Warchanter shouldn't be hard, I'm around 850 on a bard 14/ranger 6.

Vidfinnx
06-18-2010, 02:44 PM
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard)
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 643
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 15
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 15 21
Dexterity 16 17
Constitution 14 15
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 12 15

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 26
Bluff 1 2
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy 1 2
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 4 24
Heal -1 -1
Hide 3 3
Intimidate 1 2
Jump 6 28
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently 3 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform 5 25
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot -1 -1
Swim 2 5
Tumble 4 4
Use Magic Device 5 25

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Charismatic Cloak \par \par Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery III


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery IV


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Human Versatility II



so this is ideally what i want then? wow i see i have like a 50sp less or so without the cha level ups, and dont items take up a slot i could be doing something else with? oh yeah do any bludgeoning weapons have any cool effects? if i were to play a dual wield bludgeoning kinda guy