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Veriden
04-07-2010, 08:09 AM
I think its pretty much safe to say once some one reaches lvl 16 that they should be able to run with people who are lvl 20 with no penalty on xp. After all the only things past lvl 16 you rarely see any one before level 19 or 20. There are so few people of that high level and so few quests that it would make it easier if the power leveling was just negated after lvl 16. I understand power leveling for the lower levels but +/- 2 levels is a bit limiting.

For example myself (20th level monk) my guild leader (18th level cleric) and our friend trio'd rainbow in the dark on hard, we had no deaths or re-entries we got conquest bonus and with the 10% exp scaling for what ever it is that they're scaling xp for she still only got 6k xp for her first time through because I was lvl 20 (on a lvl 17 quest)

Now its my understanding that 3 lvls above the recommended lvl for a quest is 10% exp penalty so its not like I at lvl 20 should really have destroyed 6k worth of xp (i had gotten 12k xp from that mission not counting beholder boss.) Granted I've also been using the same gear since lvl 17 not much has changed, my ac went up by 2 and my saves up by 1 (I have a lack of desire to grind for anything green steel myself as monks don't get green steel handwraps and kamas are just like they are in pnp, lame.)

so what I'd personally like to see so I can help out my friends who are lvl 16 is to have the power leveling removed after some one reaches lvl 16 since most of the quests beyond that point take some one who knows the quests or can survive in mass melee. After all beyond lvl 16 traps are one false move and you're pretty much dead, or the monster who ignores the trap's damage eats you right after you're hit by it.

vettkinn
04-07-2010, 08:25 AM
so what I'd personally like to see so I can help out my friends who are lvl 16 is to have the power leveling removed...

But comrade, that would be.... powerleveling :D

The powerlevel mechanic is fine, besides that's only a few XPs lost. Also, I don't think XP is a problem, I squeezed the XP out of necro4 once I got to level 14 and I'm now level 19.

PopeJual
04-07-2010, 08:31 AM
I found levels 14-16 to be the hardest to get through exactly because of powerleveling.

Once I hit level 17, though, I stopped worrying about XP because it pretty much just came so quickly. Being able to tag along while the capped players did their thing pretty much put an easy button on even the toughest quests.

Veriden
04-07-2010, 08:36 AM
Lol, its really not power leveling in the slightest, after lvl 16 any one with sensible (non uber powerful green steel) bling (or is a warforged[which is the easy button for the game]) it becomes quite difficult to solo at lvl 20, let alone some one of the proper level. I haven't seen any non-unique gear yet thats better than the generic stuff I'm wearing (bracers of armor +8, cloak of protection +5, minos, ring of balance, necklace of wis +6, ring of str +6, boots of dex +6, belt of con +6, +5 shocking+icy burst of pure good handwraps, and my dragon touched vestments[+4 insight bonus to ac, death block, and true seeing] I can solo these quests just not exactly a pleasant experience.

Also its not power leveling because its not like we're milking the quests repeatedly to squeeze every point of xp out. There is a difference between helping some one out and power leveling them.

Beld
04-07-2010, 08:46 AM
so whether you are a lvl 4 running with a level 8 or a level 16 running with a level 20, the code is just looking at the level spread, and I see plenty of groups running content in the 14-17 range on Sarlona at most US peak times (not sure about other peak times, I'm usually asleep or at work :) ).

FYI the powerleveling penalty for 4 level difference is 50% so there is your difference, not the quest level difference.

Also, I think the mechanic is fine, just have your friend group with some others of their level and they will get to 17 rather quickly and be able to do anything with you, or take the penalty and get to 17.

Also, Slayers have a higher level range, so if your friend is halfway or more to level 17, maybe Vale/Amrath slayers/rares/explorers would help get them over the hump....takes a little longer (but maybe not, depending on the XP penalty for powerleveling).

Bogenbroom
04-07-2010, 10:05 AM
There was a point in time where I would have agreed with the Op, but the more I run the less I am inclined to agree. A level 16 is so much less effective than a level 20 I just can't see how they can possibly contribute enough to warrant full xp.

I would also increase one of those phenomenons that I despise, level draggers. The little wankers who post LFM for level 18-20 when they are 17. That would get even worse.

Veriden
04-07-2010, 12:34 PM
The reason it works this way is exactly that.
This is a good thing. A lvl 20 running a lvl 16 through a lower level quest should mean little to no xp.

(yes Rainbow and all the vale/shroud are intended for levels 16 and below....because when they were created 16 was the cap....and the game was harder without all the easy buttons. So you being on a lvl 20 and complaining about this is really ridiculous....it means you simply dont get the game mechanics and why this needs to be. Sounds like to me you need to go back to WoW.)

Oh and no you also dont know what power leveling is...it is exactly what you are asking for.

Running it over and over...is GRINDING....course only a noob would not know the difference.

No need to be rude, secondly I never played wow thankfully. I do love how people come to the conclusions every thing that any one disagrees about something in the game is 'whining'. Oh well I made a suggestion on the SUGGESTION board surprise surprise.

PopeJual
04-07-2010, 12:37 PM
I actually wouldn't mind an option to de-level yourself for a quest so that you could run a lower level quest with friends without destroying the challenge.

It's much too complicated to actually work out well and dealing with equipment on an option like that is just plain silly, but if you can wish for world peace, I can wish for this. :)

bobbryan2
04-07-2010, 12:40 PM
The power leveling has been a sore spot for a while. It was the hardest to level up after the cap was about 16.

However, right now, it's the easiest it's been to level up since the level cap was 10. The new influx of players have revitalized mid game, and made it possible. That combined with true reincarnation (keeping vets leveling longer) have made it less of a headache than in the past.

die
04-07-2010, 12:43 PM
No need to be rude, secondly I never played wow thankfully. I do love how people come to the conclusions every thing that any one disagrees about something in the game is 'whining'. Oh well I made a suggestion on the SUGGESTION board surprise surprise. Here is your gold star for being a prick.

:).. in before the lock

Anderei
04-07-2010, 02:46 PM
From the experience from my first character, I now always skip the level 16 and advice everbody to do the same, stay lvl 15 until you have enough xp to hop to 17. (well get another 1 XP point).

I see two reasons why this is such a painful level:

* First there are still rather few dungeons at this level and especially lvl 15 compared to others.
* Second the F2P base runs thin here, and the P2P is a the cap. So getting groups is tougher than on any other level.

Clay
04-28-2010, 12:37 PM
What the Heck... why limit it at lvl 16! Let's make it so that a lvl 1 can go into any quest and get xp regardless of who is in the group! That will make it much better to play the game... You will no longer have to worry about actually playing, learning, doing! You can just zone in and finish the quest and get full xp with the lvl 20 doing miseries peak for you!

I mean all those level 15/16 quests that were completed when the level cap was 16 probably exploited. I mean actually running quests level appropriate? Sound like exploits to me.

The OP has a great idea, just too limited in scope.

Down with quest levels and power leveling penalties! People unite for piking xp for all!

Delt
04-28-2010, 12:49 PM
Hehe you should read the TOS. And maybe learn to play.

You neg rep will have little effect on me and best of all enjoy your "bonus" points.

As for what you think is disagreeing is you not knowing the game. But hey also enjoy your ignorance...short timer.


Ibl

The angry little man is gonna tell the teacher? You go grrrl :D

Kalari
04-28-2010, 12:50 PM
I will say this while I dont agree with the OP since the penalty is there to prevent lower level exploitation I have run my level 16s with 20s before. In Amrath when a caster was needed I didnt feel like switching I thought for sure Id probably get eaten alive but I knew the area and quests well enough to make it to them got threw the quest with them (yes this was before casual to) And because they did the quest on hard I still got some xp.

Now adays a 16 may not be useful to some but I remember a time where 16 was where 20 is now and many of us havent lost the ability to take on tough quests with our 16s. But I still dont want to see a change in this if I want xp I group with those within my level range.

Lorz
04-28-2010, 01:03 PM
The angry little man is gonna tell the teacher? You go grrrl :D

Is it you that posted the new rep for me responding?

Not angry, but abuses to the rep system I leave to Turbine. Sorry you don't approve.

And note my rep is not falsely pumped up. Sometimes my verbiage is harsh, but at least I'm honest about it and don't hide behind locked rep or falsely bumped rep. I try to call like I see em...and to quote a guildy.....nobody cares :)


/bored in Bangkok for another week. So catching up on forums as the Internet here at the plant won't support the game connection worth a hoot....how Thailandan plays must be a better connection. But I am an hour outside the main city.

Chai
04-28-2010, 01:15 PM
Is it you that posted the new rep for me responding?

Not angry, but abuses to the rep system I leave to Turbine. Sorry you don't approve.

And note my rep is not falsely pumped up. Sometimes my verbiage is harsh, but at least I'm honest about it and don't hide behind locked rep or falsely bumped rep. I try to call like I see em...and to quote a guildy.....nobody cares :)



Yeah, cause you know, a few guys can slap eachother on the back each time one utters a knee slapper, which will in turn earn them the right to troll negative rep on someone who cannot respond in kind due to not having enough slaps on the back themselves to do so.

The rep system here is lopsided, abused, and wack. Even most of the founders who have huge pos rep agree. Situations where people try to use rep to justify their ability to comment or quality of comments, are laughable.

Quality play is not something that is accrued like vacation or sick time, nor is quality posting.

Clay
04-28-2010, 08:47 PM
Is it you that posted the new rep for me responding?

Not angry, but abuses to the rep system I leave to Turbine. Sorry you don't approve.

And note my rep is not falsely pumped up. Sometimes my verbiage is harsh, but at least I'm honest about it and don't hide behind locked rep or falsely bumped rep. I try to call like I see em...and to quote a guildy.....nobody cares :)


/bored in Bangkok for another week. So catching up on forums as the Internet here at the plant won't support the game connection worth a hoot....how Thailandan plays must be a better connection. But I am an hour outside the main city.

Kinda looks like you ARE hiding behind your rep anyways... "Look at me! My rep is honest cus its short"

Is a short "rep" something you are sensitive about?--so what you are saying is that size DOES matter?

Joking aside, any person basing their argument on a posters rep, positive, negative or disabled, is lame.

AylinIsAwesome
04-28-2010, 09:00 PM
[. . .]Sounds like to me you need to go back to WoW.[. . .]


[. . .]And maybe learn to play.[. . .]

Sounds to me like you're the one who needs to go back to WoW...

hydra_ex
04-28-2010, 09:04 PM
What the Heck... why limit it at lvl 16! Let's make it so that a lvl 1 can go into any quest and get xp regardless of who is in the group! That will make it much better to play the game... You will no longer have to worry about actually playing, learning, doing! You can just zone in and finish the quest and get full xp with the lvl 20 doing miseries peak for you!

I mean all those level 15/16 quests that were completed when the level cap was 16 probably exploited. I mean actually running quests level appropriate? Sound like exploits to me.

The OP has a great idea, just too limited in scope.

Down with quest levels and power leveling penalties! People unite for piking xp for all!

I agree with you there; lvl 20s should not run lvl 16 quests. However, there's still an xp penalty for doing so. Letting level 16s run ToD with lvl 20s, however, should be allowed. I don't think that the OP is calling for help to do lower level quests as much as he is calling for the ability to run higher level stuff sooner, which, IMO, should not be disallowed. Thus, I agree with the OP.

Clay
04-28-2010, 09:09 PM
I agree with you there; lvl 20s should not run lvl 16 quests. However, there's still an xp penalty for doing so. Letting level 16s run ToD with lvl 20s, however, should be allowed. I don't think that the OP is calling for help to do lower level quests as much as he is calling for the ability to run higher level stuff sooner, which, IMO, should not be disallowed. Thus, I agree with the OP.

It is allowed. You make the choice to sacrifice some xp. Or level to 17. Not hard to get to lvl 17.

hydra_ex
04-28-2010, 09:16 PM
It is allowed. You make the choice to sacrifice some xp. Or level to 17. Not hard to get to lvl 17.

Yes, but you take 50% xp. And its a decent amount of xp, especially for a TR and even double TR. It still feels right to me that a lvl 16, the old cap, should be able to run with lvl 20s, the new cap. I'm sure that you would take any one of your guildy's characters into a mainly lvl 20 run; however (granted I don't know the mentality of legion leveling), many would probably not go, since they would get a severe xp penalty.

Clay
04-29-2010, 06:29 AM
There is just so much xp between 14-16 that there is no reason to NOT be 17. On my current TRs I am just shy of 18 and I have yet to hit vale. And that is without massive farming of quests other than Shadow Crypt or Raiyum. Which are the only things I farmed to the ground. And I didn't use any pots after SC either.

Lorz
04-29-2010, 06:54 AM
Sounds to me like you're the one who needs to go back to WoW...

Never played WoW. But what can ya expect from a 7 month player like yourself. Certainly not a good understanding of why the rule is there.


Asking for this shows no understanding of why it's there...and also shows no knowledge of the history of the game.

/thanks for playing....nobody cares.

Lorz
04-29-2010, 06:56 AM
Yes, but you take 50% xp. And its a decent amount of xp, especially for a TR and even double TR. It still feels right to me that a lvl 16, the old cap, should be able to run with lvl 20s, the new cap. I'm sure that you would take any one of your guildy's characters into a mainly lvl 20 run; however (granted I don't know the mentality of legion leveling), many would probably not go, since they would get a severe xp penalty.

So wait by this (il)logic my level 10's should take no penally for running with lvl 20's.


Because the lvl 10 was the cap.


See how broken that is?

smatt
04-29-2010, 06:58 AM
So wait by this (il)logic my level 10's should take no penally for running with lvl 20's.


Because the lvl 10 was the cap.


See how broken that is?
People should get Neg. XP for running with you Lorz :eek::D

Lorz
04-29-2010, 07:06 AM
People should get Neg. XP for running with you Lorz :eek::D

First off they usually do. Silly.

And what are you doing up right now old man....it's like 5am for you?

I'm just killin time in my off hours over here....collecting some neg rep

Lorz
04-29-2010, 08:41 AM
Kinda looks like you ARE hiding behind your rep anyways... "Look at me! My rep is honest cus its short"

Is a short "rep" something you are sensitive about?--so what you are saying is that size DOES matter?

Joking aside, any person basing their argument on a posters rep, positive, negative or disabled, is lame.

No I am saying I'm huge in japan. :)

And in case you missed I was referring to how broken the rep system is....guess it gets lost in translation.

Anyways....i post mainly when out of the country on business as a pseudo game play fix. What else do I have to do when i'm jet lagged and can't sleep at night for a week. Might also contribute to the sharp tongue....but those that know me ... Know I'm am smart.ss. :).

AylinIsAwesome
04-29-2010, 11:41 AM
There was a point in time where I would have agreed with the Op, but the more I run the less I am inclined to agree. A level 16 is so much less effective than a level 20 I just can't see how they can possibly contribute enough to warrant full xp.

A level 16 can easily hold their own through Elite Mindsunder. Sure, they won't be as powerful as a level 20 of course, but in most cases there isn't a huge leap in power from level 16 to level 17. A possible BAB increase of 1, possible saves increase of 1, extra SP, couple more spell slots and +1 caster level don't make nearly as large a difference as the player behind the character.


I would also increase one of those phenomenons that I despise, level draggers. The little wankers who post LFM for level 18-20 when they are 17. That would get even worse.

Personally, I think that if you post an LFM, your character must fall within the level range you set. It would put a stop to that completely, and there's no legitimate reason I can think of for posting an LFM that excludes other players that are the same level as you.