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mrcobra
03-09-2010, 08:59 PM
I need to make an unarmed barbarian human for rp purposes. How do I make one that doesn't COMPLETELY suck? I know it's going to suck, but I'd like to try to make it suck as little as possible.

KKDragonLord
03-09-2010, 09:03 PM
I need to make an unarmed barbarian human for rp purposes. How do I make one that doesn't COMPLETELY suck? I know it's going to suck, but I'd like to try to make it suck as little as possible.

Interesting proposition... maybe a barbie splashed monk, or the other way around perhaps?

toughguyjoe
03-09-2010, 09:03 PM
I would suggest Dwarf, or WF for race, my other suggestions are in your first incarnation of this thread.

toughguyjoe
03-09-2010, 09:04 PM
Interesting proposition... maybe a barbie splashed monk, or the other way around perhaps?


Common Failure.

Barb and Monk cannot be multiclassed together. Barb requires non lawful alignment. Monk requires Lawful Alignment.

Vivalavida
03-09-2010, 09:06 PM
barb cant be lawful
monk cant be choatic.


so................... :(

KKDragonLord
03-09-2010, 09:07 PM
Common Failure.

Barb and Monk cannot be multiclassed together. Barb requires non lawful alignment. Monk requires Lawful Alignment.

Oh duh, was about to name it "The Frenzied Meditator" and just remembered this... if only the unarmed strike feat from pnp was available...

So, no, its not possible to make a decent unarmed barbarian then.

hmm attacking with one hand with shield is quite fast though, i wonder how fast it really is.

gavagai
03-09-2010, 09:09 PM
I need to make an unarmed barbarian human for rp purposes. How do I make one that doesn't COMPLETELY suck? I know it's going to suck, but I'd like to try to make it suck as little as possible.

I like the concept.... though I think it would be easier to roleplay a fighter/monk as a savage than a barbarian as an effective unarmed specialist. You could pretend Power Surge is a rage.

Unless you are a monk, unarmed damage will be completely sucky. Unarmed attacks will always be 1d3, 20/x2. Which is the worst possible weapon, except shuriken.

Quikster
03-09-2010, 09:21 PM
I like the concept.... though I think it would be easier to roleplay a fighter/monk as a savage than a barbarian as an effective unarmed specialist. You could pretend Power Surge is a rage.

Unless you are a monk, unarmed damage will be completely sucky. Unarmed attacks will always be 1d3, 20/x2. Which is the worst possible weapon, except shuriken.

The only way its possible is to lvl to 20 as a barb or mostly barb, TR as a monk and take the barb past life feat. You get 3 30 second clicks of basic barb rage.

What do I win for making the impossible possible?

Note:Yeah I know the rage sucks and is short and has a 1 min fatigue, but the OP said he knew it would suck.

GeneralDiomedes
03-09-2010, 09:22 PM
FIXED

Pure Human Barb?

No way no how I am not going to test if these feats work with non-monk unarmed combat but here goes. You will need to TR as a Monk for the past life feat. I assume you will use handwraps.


Stats:
18 STR
8 DEX
16 CON
12 INT (will need +1 tome)
10 WIS
8 CHA

Feats:
1 - Weapon Focus: Bludgeon
1 - Power Attack
3 - Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
6 - Cleave
9 - Improved Critical: Bludgeon
12 - Stunning Blow
15 - Combat Expertise
18 - Improved Trip

Focusing on Cleave/Great Cleave to shore up your damage output, and combat tactics to make up for your sorry lack of anything else whatsoever. Actually I can't even think of another feat which would add to DPS.

KKDragonLord
03-09-2010, 09:30 PM
Pure Human Barb?

No way no how I am not going to test if these feats work with non-monk unarmed combat but here goes. You will need to TR as a Monk for the past life feat. I assume you will use handwraps.


Stats:
18 STR
8 DEX
16 CON
12 INT (will need +2 tome)
10 WIS
8 CHA

Feats:
1 - Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
1 - Weapon Focus: Bludgeon
3 - Cleave
6 - Stunning Blow
9 - Improved Critical: Bludgeon
12 - Combat Expertise
15 - Improved Trip
18 - Great Cleave

Focusing on Cleave/Great Cleave to shore up your damage output, and combat tactics to make up for your sorry lack of anything else whatsoever. Actually I can't even think of another feat which would add to DPS.

Might want to trade Weapon Focus for Power Attack (which is also a pre-req for cleave i believe)

...if Disciple of the fist granted flurry of blows i would be very annoyed because i would not have the will to stop me from trying this build... so anyone knows if it does?

MrCow
03-09-2010, 09:34 PM
If you do the craziness that is unarmed attacking without Improved Unarmed Strike (from having a level of monk) then ensure you get yourself a shield. With nothing equipped (or handwraps equipped) you will do roughly 35 attacks per minute when doing the barroom brawl punching animation. With a shield in your off-hand you do some faster jab animations, netting about 65-70 attacks per minute. However, the unarmed attacks will be non-magical when doing a shield jab, so just be warned that you will have some trouble killing things with DR/Magic like mephits, incorporeal beings, and fiend-bloods.

GeneralDiomedes
03-09-2010, 09:39 PM
Might want to trade Weapon Focus for Power Attack (which is also a pre-req for cleave i believe)

...if Disciple of the fist granted flurry of blows i would be very annoyed because i would not have the will to stop me from trying this build... so anyone knows if it does?

d'oh! Added.

Aesop
03-09-2010, 10:00 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if THe Improved Unarmed Strike Feat was added to the game... granting a SIMILAR (ie close but not the same) attack animation to Monk-Fu

Even if it was just jab jab backfist haymaker

Then add in Superior Unarmed Strike from ToB and this character would be viable... not as high of damage as a Pure Monk unarmed... but viable at least... and kinda fun I imagine... for those who like the idea of an animal rage tearing apart your enemies with your bare hands

yeah would be fun

Reminds me of a character I made in a Midnight Game. Beast Path was just badarsed

Aesop

Aesop
03-09-2010, 10:04 PM
Pure Human Barb?

No way no how I am not going to test if these feats work with non-monk unarmed combat but here goes. You will need to TR as a Monk for the past life feat. I assume you will use handwraps.


Stats:
18 STR
8 DEX
16 CON
12 INT (will need +2 tome)
10 WIS
8 CHA

Feats:
1 - Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
1 - Weapon Focus: Bludgeon
3 - Cleave
6 - Stunning Blow
9 - Improved Critical: Bludgeon
12 - Power Attack
15 - Combat Expertise
18 - Improved Trip

Focusing on Cleave/Great Cleave to shore up your damage output, and combat tactics to make up for your sorry lack of anything else whatsoever. Actually I can't even think of another feat which would add to DPS.

I thought the Past Life Feats needed to be taken at 3rd level or later... yeah I think so


oh and Power Attack is a prerquisite for Cleave so it needs to be taken before Cleave

Aesop

KKDragonLord
03-09-2010, 10:15 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if THe Improved Unarmed Strike Feat was added to the game... granting a SIMILAR (ie close but not the same) attack animation to Monk-Fu

Even if it was just jab jab backfist haymaker

Then add in Superior Unarmed Strike from ToB and this character would be viable... not as high of damage as a Pure Monk unarmed... but viable at least... and kinda fun I imagine... for those who like the idea of an animal rage tearing apart your enemies with your bare hands

yeah would be fun

Reminds me of a character I made in a Midnight Game. Beast Path was just badarsed

Aesop

Yeah, i had the hopes for the past life feat adding kung fu moves... i doesn't does it?

Quikster
03-09-2010, 10:17 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if THe Improved Unarmed Strike Feat was added to the game... granting a SIMILAR (ie close but not the same) attack animation to Monk-Fu

Even if it was just jab jab backfist haymaker

Then add in Superior Unarmed Strike from ToB and this character would be viable... not as high of damage as a Pure Monk unarmed... but viable at least... and kinda fun I imagine... for those who like the idea of an animal rage tearing apart your enemies with your bare hands

yeah would be fun

Reminds me of a character I made in a Midnight Game. Beast Path was just badarsed

Aesop

that would excell in those naked raids some do in the long wait between mods :)

gavagai
03-09-2010, 10:47 PM
Yeah, i had the hopes for the past life feat adding kung fu moves... i doesn't does it?

I think everyone would take the past life if they traded the evasion clickie for a **HADOUKEN**.

Uska
03-09-2010, 11:16 PM
The only way its possible is to lvl to 20 as a barb or mostly barb, TR as a monk and take the barb past life feat. You get 3 30 second clicks of basic barb rage.

What do I win for making the impossible possible?

Note:Yeah I know the rage sucks and is short and has a 1 min fatigue, but the OP said he knew it would suck.

Or he could go to 20 as a monk and tr as a barb which would let him boost his unarmed damage but would still suck

Kyrn
03-09-2010, 11:18 PM
There is another alternative to simulate "rage" for WF.

Bladesworn Transformation: While transformed, you have a +4 profane bonus to Strength, a +4 natural armor bonus to AC, a +4 profane bonus on damage rolls, a +10 enhancement bonus to Will saves against mind-affecting magic, and proficiency in all simple and martial weapons. Your base attack bonus is equal to your character level. You lose your spellcasting ability. You have immunity to critical hits and sneak attacks, but cannot be healed by healing spells.

Or in short, Tensors transformation + improved fortification (cough), with unlimited uses (though 5 minutes cooldown)
So one could go monk/paladin with that.

On that note, does anyone know if monks can still use monk skills during tenser's transformation?

mrcobra
03-09-2010, 11:32 PM
thanks so much for all of the input.

I put all into str & con and leftovers into wis
For skills i did all intimidate, jumping, tumbling and spotting
For feats WF Bludge and power attack
and For hair I did cornrows

Kyrn, it's funny you should mention an unarmed paladin. There's a person rolling one of those for our group too.

Thanks again for all of your input so far. Let me know if you get any more sweet ideas. I'll come back to update you guys on the development.

Just so you know, our group is like that king arthur cartoon where the highschool football team gets transported back into a fantasy world combined with a 60 minutes expose on high school steriod use with a dash of Roadhouse thrown in. Our group's going to have unarmed pure barb, paladin, fighter and ranger. It should be fun. Let me know if any of you have any build ideas for those classes too.

If unarmed proves too be too stupid, we'll try letting our characters hit things with big sticks... but we're going to give the stupidist route a good hard try first. HARD MODE TO THE MAX.

mrcobra
03-09-2010, 11:47 PM
Actually we're probably ditching the paladin. He was going to be the coach. We're thinking an unarmed bard would make better role playing sense, we'll just make him a guy cheerleader and leave the coach out of the equation. Actually, now that I think about it, a male cheerleader could use a twirling baton (staff) without us feeling to guilty about it.


Edit: I'm going to pass along to my group the idea of the Coach also being their church counselor and thus making the paladin's abilities okay. Why would tapout shirt wearing steroid munchers be hanging out with a male cheerleader anyways?

Kyrn
03-10-2010, 12:12 AM
Edit: I'm going to pass along to my group the idea of the Coach also being their church counselor and thus making the paladin's abilities okay. Why would tapout shirt wearing steroid munchers be hanging out with a male cheerleader anyways?

Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan / Elite Beat Agents

tihocan
03-10-2010, 07:58 AM
If unarmed proves too be too stupid, we'll try letting our characters hit things with big sticks... but we're going to give the stupidist route a good hard try first. HARD MODE TO THE MAX.
It would definitely work if every character could splash at least one level of monk for the useful unarmed style. Otherwise, yes, it's just veeery stupid ;)

mrcobra
03-10-2010, 10:48 AM
It would definitely work if every character could splash at least one level of monk for the useful unarmed style. Otherwise, yes, it's just veeery stupid ;)


Here's the problem with the monk thing: There was this huge, crazy buddist temple in the town my group went to high school in. Every week the football team and rodeo team would get in hummers and drive through it throwing **** at the monks. Since then, we've always had a belief that morons have some sort of aversion to monks.

You got to think about a group of cornfed, god fearing, confederate flag wearin, WWF watchin monster truck rally dudes suddenly getting transported to a world full of dragons. It wouldn't really be a story of heroes finding inner strength in the face of adversary and an untamed world.

GeneralDiomedes
03-10-2010, 10:50 AM
You got to think about a group of cornfed, god fearing, confederate flag wearin, WWF watchin monster truck rally dudes suddenly getting transported to a world full of dragons. It wouldn't really be a story of heroes finding inner strength in the face of adversary and an untamed world.

Clubs = Baseball Bats. That seems sufficiently redneck to me.

Mentor61
03-10-2010, 10:51 AM
People keep talking about that "YO" guy but i still have no idea who he/she is.

mrcobra
03-10-2010, 10:56 AM
Clubs = Baseball Bats. That seems sufficiently redneck to me.

That's what we're planning if the unarmed thing doesn't work. We're really going to try our best to get to end game. Haha. I guess great minds think alike.

mrcobra
03-10-2010, 10:57 AM
People keep talking about that "YO" guy but i still have no idea who he/she is.

My charcter's name is "Jesco White" incase you run into me in game.

Remember everybody "Jesco White," if you send me a group invite... well... you've been warned.

gavagai
03-10-2010, 11:03 AM
Actually we're probably ditching the paladin. He was going to be the coach. We're thinking an unarmed bard would make better role playing sense, we'll just make him a guy cheerleader and leave the coach out of the equation. Actually, now that I think about it, a male cheerleader could use a twirling baton (staff) without us feeling to guilty about it.


Edit: I'm going to pass along to my group the idea of the Coach also being their church counselor and thus making the paladin's abilities okay. Why would tapout shirt wearing steroid munchers be hanging out with a male cheerleader anyways?

With bard you still can't splash monk to improve that fist damage...

Think about UA 18rogue/2monk. You'll get monk kung-fu and you can get more sneak attacks off the accelerated unarmed attack animations. And if you get assassin III, you can vorpal with your bare fingertips!

Add the past-life: barbarian rage and you've got a precious character for all eternity.

GeneralDiomedes
03-10-2010, 11:04 AM
That's what we're planning if the unarmed thing doesn't work.

Well, at least until they add "Broken beer bottle" as a weapon ;)

mrcobra
03-10-2010, 03:14 PM
we switched servers to one where the names

"Jesco White"
"Molly Hatchett"
"Monster Truck"
"Lynyrd Skynard"
"Alcoholic Stepfather"
"Dump Truck"
"Jethro Tull"
"Ball Hawg"
"Duke Hazard"
"Team Captain"
"Rebel Yell"
"General Lee"
"Bull Dozer"
"Number 41"
"Line Backer"

and

"Confederate Rebel"

Were all already taken. What kinda place is this Argonnessen server? Hahaha. I guess our group is going to fit right in. Is this the official White Trash server or something? I had to settle on the name "Prom Date," after trying every name I could think of that'd actually fit my character.