PDA

View Full Version : New Player Rogue need some tips



Nihilo
02-01-2010, 10:10 AM
Hi i made a build and need some advise, i'm new at the game thx to anyone who help


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.18
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 180
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 20
Will: 6

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 10 10 10
Dexterity 16 21 24
Constitution 14 14 14
Intelligence 14 14 14
Wisdom 8 8 8
Charisma 14 14 14

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 7 30 31
Bluff 6 25 35
Concentration 2 2 3
Diplomacy 6 25 26
Disable Device 6 25 30
Haggle 2 2 3
Heal -1 -1 0
Hide 4 30 41
Intimidate 2 2 3
Jump 4 12 15
Listen -1 -1 2
Move Silently 5 30 41
Open Lock 7 17 20
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 2 2 3
Search 6 25 26
Spot 3 22 23
Swim 0 0 1
Tumble 4 8 9
Use Magic Device 6 25 26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

Karranor
02-01-2010, 10:20 AM
Do you have any specific questions? Can you let us know what you want to be with this rogue?

In DDO each character/class can fill many and varied roles. It is hard to critique a build if we do know what you are trying to accomplish? Do you want to be the ultimate trap monkey (disable traps and find secret doors), a stealther (Super Stealth skills to sneak through quest), DPSer (focus on sneak attack and damage) or mix of these?

As a rogue being one of my favorite classes I would suggest making sure you have enough HP. Rogues are also more difficult to play as they can die easily. They are more twitch, meaning you should be moving in and out of combat. They are also very dependant on a group so you can get sneak attak. Rogues are generally not the best stand up tanks, but they can bring the pain!

So if you can provide more info we may be able to provide you with more specific advise.

In the meantime, GL and enjoy the rogue, they rock!

tihocan
02-01-2010, 11:41 AM
I would suggest to take down Cha to 8 (will hurt your UMD but in the long term it's not really a big deal), so you can bump your Str to 12 (important so you can easily pick Power Attack with just a +1 tome), and Dex to 18 (+1 reflex/to-hit/AC will be pretty useful).
You can get rid of two-weapon defense to pick Power Attack instead. At L18, if your AC is high enough you may consider Combat Expertise. Otherwise, toughness would be a good choice. Nimble Fingers won't help much.

Nihilo
02-01-2010, 12:19 PM
ok, i want a mix of all i want find traps and doors without much difficult, open chest and locks without difficult and have a good dmg don't need to be aweasome dmg just enough to survive and do quests cause i'm playing 4 fun ^^

ty u guys who answered

P.S: sorry my bad english XD

tihocan
02-01-2010, 02:00 PM
ok, i want a mix of all i want find traps and doors without much difficult, open chest and locks without difficult
That's given to any rogue who invests into these skills at each level. So don't worry about these. What matters is what else you can do. Going Dex-based TWF assassin is a viable choice for some decent melee DPS and survivability, but I really recommend making room for Power Attack so that your DPS isn't too ridiculously low when sneak attack won't work.

Nihilo
02-01-2010, 04:30 PM
Ok i made a couple of changes what u guys think about it?

Changes:

>>>Stats

Take down:
CHA to 8
CON to 12

Rised up:
STR to 13
DEX to 18

>>>Feats:
At lvl 6 changed "Two Weapon Defense" for "Power Attack"
At lvl 18 changed "Nimble Fingers" for "Toughness"


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.18
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 Neutral Good Halfling Male
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 182
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 21
Will: 6

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 13 13 13
Dexterity 18 23 26
Constitution 12 12 12
Intelligence 14 14 14
Wisdom 8 8 8
Charisma 8 8 8

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 8 31 32
Bluff 3 22 32
Concentration 1 1 2
Diplomacy 3 22 23
Disable Device 6 25 28
Haggle -1 -1 0
Heal -1 -1 0
Hide 5 31 42
Intimidate -1 -1 0
Jump 5 11 14
Listen -1 -1 2
Move Silently 6 31 42
Open Lock 8 20 21
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 2 2 3
Search 6 25 26
Spot 3 22 23
Swim 1 1 2
Tumble 5 9 10
Use Magic Device 3 22 23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

tihocan
02-02-2010, 08:11 AM
Well I like it better ;) But Str 12/Con 14 is better. If you can't afford a +1 Str tome early enough, then swap toughness and power attack (problem is you'll have trouble fighting some undead / elementals / constructs throughout the game... but in the long term it's still better because at L20 +2 Con will be more useful than +1 Str).

Nihilo
02-02-2010, 08:36 AM
ok i'll do this rise CON and take down STR but where i can buy tomes and how much they cost?

Kralgnax
02-02-2010, 08:50 AM
ok i'll do this rise CON and take down STR but where i can buy tomes and how much they cost?
You can buy them from the DDO store, iirc 300 TP for +1, 600 for +2, 1500 +1 to all, 2500 +2 to all
They are also avialable from the Auction house at market prices, +1 to +4 (But +4, if avialable at all will be astronomically expensive)

Draccus
02-02-2010, 08:54 AM
ok i'll do this rise CON and take down STR but where i can buy tomes and how much they cost?

A +1 str tome? They probably cost 10k plat on the AH but if you're on Ghallanda, I'll give you one.

honkuimushi
02-02-2010, 09:48 AM
I agree with the 12 Str/14 Con advice. I would actually switch TWD for Toughness and Nimble Fingers for Power Attack. Low level Rogues will not have a stellar to hit bonus at early levels and they are quite squishy throughout their career.

I also generally suggest new players go with a pure build, but in this case, a 1 level Fighter splash at level 2 wouldn't be a bad idea. It would improve your HP a bit and allow you to take Weapon Finesse at level 2 instead of 3. Then you can take Toughness at level 3 and you get an extra feat at level 6. Skill Focus: UMD isn't a bad choice.

The Fighter splash would also unlock Martial weapons, which isn't a bad idea for a new player. Rapiers are expensive. Being able to use handaxes, light hammers, kukris and longbows can be useful when one with decent properties drops. Some of them can also be found really cheaply on the auction house.

tihocan
02-02-2010, 12:32 PM
I agree with the post above, a 1 level fighter splash would help. You could actually get both PA and Toughness early enough :)

Nihilo
02-02-2010, 01:35 PM
A +1 str tome? They probably cost 10k plat on the AH but if you're on Ghallanda, I'll give you one.

yep i play on Ghallanda

*-* i'll love if u can give it to me u'll be my new hero ^^ my toon is called Durriken

-----------

Guys thx a lot for the tips i'll stay with pure rogue, the last build i posted ^^ i don't know much about multiclass so i'll stay with the pure

ImaginaryLogic
02-02-2010, 08:36 PM
well this question fits quite well in for me, because my main is a rogue.
I haven't looked too closely at the build, but what I did was have 18 dex. at level 3 i multiclassed into a fighter where i got weapon finesse, negating the need for an exceptional str and getting a nice bonus to attacks. The extra hp and BAB were nice. I can blow through most traps/doors and the sneak attack can be used to RAPE bosses (you're usually only revealed when hit, so if you can dodge their attacks that's unlimited free damage unless they have minions) my stats, below, allow me to do everything else you said (BIG DISCLAIMER: I always always twitch)
http://my.ddo.com/character/khyber/howal/

ImaginaryLogic
02-02-2010, 08:55 PM
k so here would be my dream lvl 1 rog build
remember that getting weapon finesse converts your dex bonus into a melee bonus. the str is only for getting into those pesky str required spots.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.18
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Padain Fain
Level 1 Lawful Neutral Halfling Female
(1 Rogue)
Hit Points: 26
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 0
Fortitude: 1
Reflex: 7
Will: 1

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 1)
Strength 14 14
Dexterity 18 18
Constitution 10 10
Intelligence 10 10
Wisdom 10 10
Charisma 10 10

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 1)
Balance 4 4
Bluff 0 0
Concentration 0 0
Diplomacy 0 0
Disable Device 4 4
Haggle 4 4
Heal 0 0
Hide 8 10
Intimidate 0 0
Jump 6 8
Listen 0 2
Move Silently 8 11
Open Lock 8 8
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 0
Search 4 4
Spot 4 5
Swim 2 2
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Silent Moves I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I

honkuimushi
02-03-2010, 04:29 AM
k so here would be my dream lvl 1 rog build
remember that getting weapon finesse converts your dex bonus into a melee bonus. the str is only for getting into those pesky str required spots.



Weapon Finesse allows you to to use your Dex to determine to hit instead of Str. Damage is still based on Str. That is one reason why Str is generally recommended, even on Finesse builds. A second is the Power Attack feat which requires a 13 Str. It can add quite a bit to your DPS. It was a big object of conversation earlier in the thread.

Also, the 10 Con on your Dream build is probably a mistake. Rogues are already short on HP. Giving away 40 more by not taking a 14 will be significant obstacle to overcome at higher levels.