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futencake
12-22-2009, 01:00 PM
Deep Gnomes.

Please.

Redicular
12-22-2009, 01:08 PM
lol, we can't even get NORMAL gnomes, and you want a sub-race?

Lorien_the_First_One
12-22-2009, 01:13 PM
Can't we have this gnome first? (shown here using his summon companion special ability)

http://showstalker.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/holly-madison-gnome-3.jpg

futencake
01-05-2010, 12:39 PM
lol, we can't even get NORMAL gnomes, and you want a sub-race?

Do them at the same time! Svirvneblin are basically just Drow Gnomes, much of what the Drow is would transfer over, along with what gnomes are. Add gnomes, and svirvneblin as an unlockable race.

Kale_Hagan
01-05-2010, 12:44 PM
Smurfneblin are awesome.

Draccus
01-05-2010, 12:45 PM
Yes. I would very much like to kill Deep Gnomes. Add them please.

Oh, as a player race? meh...we need half-orcs more than gnomes. But as a monster, yes.

Schwarzie
01-07-2010, 08:26 AM
Dspite Drow Svirvneblin are no inherently evil race.

But they would be an awesome choice for any serious AC build...

Letrii
01-07-2010, 08:45 AM
Dspite Drow Svirvneblin are no inherently evil race.

But they would be an awesome choice for any serious AC build...

Not overly familiar with them, how would they be better AC than other races?

futencake
01-07-2010, 10:23 AM
Not overly familiar with them, how would they be better AC than other races?

In the pencil and paper game Svirfneblin are pretty neat:

-2 Str +2dex +2Wis -4cha.
Spell Resistance (same as drow)
+1 bonus for illusion DCs
+1 attack vs kobolds and goblinoids

+4 dodge bonus to AC.

spell like abilities, and non detection continuously, + to hide and listen checks.

And of course, they are small. So all in all +5ac over other normal races.

Definitely one of those races that would need unlocking like the Drow.

Murderface
01-07-2010, 10:34 AM
are you sure there dodge bonus and size bonus are +5 i think its only +4
anyways they have monster lvl 4 where drows are only 2 so there xp penalty is huge. this may be a good race for people on a third reincarnation
that and sun elves, gold dwarves grey orcs(which are way better then half orcs imo)

Letrii
01-07-2010, 11:12 AM
He said it is +4, then you add the +1 from small size for +5 total.

Sounds like they would make awesome monks. 25 AC at level 1, and they get robes with mage armor clickie from tutorial too. I think they would give my warforged monk some serious competition in AC department, if they don't nerf the hell out of them.

futencake
01-07-2010, 03:11 PM
are you sure there dodge bonus and size bonus are +5 i think its only +4
anyways they have monster lvl 4 where drows are only 2 so there xp penalty is huge. this may be a good race for people on a third reincarnation
that and sun elves, gold dwarves grey orcs(which are way better then half orcs imo)

No, its a total of +5, the +4 dodge bonus and then the +1 size bonus.

Part of the +3 CR though has to do with things that aren't exactly applicable to DDO. Non-Detection continuously for example.

Not to mention that spell resistance as a racial trait isn't exactly useful as it stands for the Drow currently...