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Swedishchef
11-20-2009, 02:56 AM
Well the reason for putting the build up on the forums is for some feed back (i haven´t put any builds up on any forum b4 so i might have missed some stuff, thou i left out twinkage etc on purpose) and similar builds might have been posted b4.

So i bring you the "Bardster":

Swedishchef
Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(2 Fighter / 2 Rogue / 16 Bard)
Hit Points: 250
Spell Points: 565

BAB: 15/15/20/2525
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 23
Will: 12

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 14 16 16
Dexterity 18 25 28
Constitution 14 16 16
Intelligence 8 10 10
Wisdom 8 10 10
Charisma 14 16 18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 4 15 15
Bluff 2 4 4
Concentration 4 26 26
Diplomacy 6 21 21
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 6 22 22
Heal -1 0 0
Hide 4 9 11
Intimidate 3 9 9
Jump 4 6 8
Listen -1 0 2
Move Silently 4 9 11
Open Lock 8 13 13
Perform n/a 27 27
Repair -1 0 0
Search -1 0 0
Spot 3 4 4
Swim 2 3 3
Tumble 5 10 10
Use Magic Device 6 27 27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Perform (+5)
Spell (1): Focusing Chant

Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds

Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors

Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Rage

Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds

Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Invisibility
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste

Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds

Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse

Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)

Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement

Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds

Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds

Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magiic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (5): Greater Dispel Magic

Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Grease
Spell (5): Mind Fog
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Rogue Fire Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Will)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

Why? well i wanted a solo build with good dps in grps and alone, with haste and good selfhealing, along with "some ac" and ok saves and now i want some input :)

Ty for reading.

Noctus
11-22-2009, 10:33 AM
* Take weapon finesse asap.



along with "some ac"

There is no "some AC" anymore once you hit the Gianthold and higher level areas. Only all-out AC builds (with the will to grind for additional AC gear) will be able to keep their AC high enough to have any effect on damage taken after all.

AC40 = AC 20 in Gianthold+

Dont waste build resources into a futile attempt to keep "some" AC. A bard has the nice advantage to being able to keep DR 5/- and Displacement up 24/7 which is an excellent AC substitue when actual AC stops working.

Swedishchef
11-22-2009, 11:40 AM
* Take weapon finesse asap.

Dont waste build resources into a futile attempt to keep "some" AC. A bard has the nice advantage to being able to keep DR 5/- and Displacement up 24/7 which is an excellent AC substitue when actual AC stops working.

I know you need ac in the 55+ to be somewhat efficent in the vale and in gh i can, as you said, just keep myself displaced etc.
I did take weapon finesse asap well atleast i took it when it acctually starts to matter to me ("when i reach the areas when to hit matters").

Ac breakdown
10
12 (dex34)
2 Chaosgarde
6 Armor
5 Deflection
3 Chattering ring
1 ritual
1 Halfling
4 Shield spell (wand 10 mins)
4 Insight
(3 defensive fighting)
1 Haste
3 Bark pot
4 Bardsong
2 Recitaion wand.

61 ac self buffed.

+2 propper bark
+5 aura
68 maxed out.

Ac is while dualwielding.

Ty for your input, always nice to get someone with a fresh pair of eyes to help out.