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lppmor
11-09-2009, 07:38 AM
Ok. Now that I have 3500 turbine points, it's time to spend them.

I believe I can easily get my toons to level 10 with only free content, maybe even 12 doing N/N/N on all free quests and H/E on lower ones. So, my idea is skipping all paid low level content and buying only 11+ quests, such as Gianthold and Demon Sands (my goal is keeping a good leveling pace, with no need to grind the same quests 10+ times). This sounds a good idea? And are those quests solo fiendly (since I like to solo with hireling)?

Also, I wouldn't like to spend on anything else other than adventure packs, but one think I believe is a must have is the shared bank, right? How many item slots you get when buying this bank? Really worth 1500 tp?

IronAngel
11-09-2009, 07:44 AM
Shared bank is nice with its 20 slots, but not a must have, since you can mail stuff to your characters. Without getting a lot of the low level packs like Sharn, Tangleroot, and Delera's you will have very little bound to account items. That is where the true value of the shared bank comes in. As one character outlevels a bound item, you put it into the bank and someone else gets can get it. You cannot mail these items.

So unless you pick up a couple of these packs I would not worry too much about a shared bank til you get into higher level stuff and start getting a lot of bound items.

Uska
11-09-2009, 08:08 AM
shared bank is overrated and as to skipping low lvl packs that would be fine but I would pick up at least delera's for the voice of the master.

lppmor
11-09-2009, 08:51 AM
shared bank is overrated and as to skipping low lvl packs that would be fine but I would pick up at least delera's for the voice of the master.

LOL. I heard a lot of people talking about this voice, probably really nice. Is that Geddy Lee? If yes, then I'll buy it for sure :)

zooble
11-09-2009, 08:57 AM
not every item can be mailed to alts and mailing level 12ish + items will cost 1k+ gold each

shared bank's true value is in its sharing capabilities... ie: swapping bind to account gear and non bound gear (significantly quicker and easier than mail)
if you wanted space you might as well add 2 character slots for 160 space right off the bat

bind to account gear is here to stay... it promotes leveling alts = more play time = better for turbine through store purchases/extended subscription

the newest addon provided a whole heap of bind to account powerful level 18 loots so its not exclusively for low level stuff now... you can expect to see more in the future

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level 12+ isnt soloable easily without a caster character and even then it is quite a mission. personally without low level packs, i wouldn't step foot in demon sands or GH till you were level 12

GH quests are not really soloable(except maybe 1-2)... maybe if you were a caster character and used really good tactics... but if you could pull it off at level 12 it would be quite a feat.

Demon sands has some soloable stuff at level 12... a few side quests are easily soloable

they both add around 11-13 quests that you'll most likely do about 5x each (but not in a row like KNR runs)

having said that GH is your highest pack so without buying other packs you'll most likely look to bleeding it dry

im going to have to say that the new inspired quarters quests (16+) are probably the most solo friendly (in comparison to vale/shavrath/orchard) out of the high level packs (may still prove difficult depending on character so don't take my word for it)

Sir_Chonas
11-09-2009, 09:07 AM
LOL. I heard a lot of people talking about this voice, probably really nice. Is that Geddy Lee? If yes, then I'll buy it for sure :)

The "voice" you've heard about is a trinket which gives +5 % to exp on every quest you enter with it on, and complete with it on.

It is also voiced by Gary Gygax (the original dungeon master and co-creator of the pen and paper Dungeons and Dragons).

Missing_Minds
11-09-2009, 09:09 AM
If you have no desire to move "bound to account" items around to different characters, then you can do without the shared space.

But once you start to use it, let alone is it 20 more slots to use as bank space... well.. you always want it. I find it to be more addicting than haste.

IronAngel
11-09-2009, 09:10 AM
The "voice" you've heard about is a trinket which gives +5 % to exp on every quest you enter with it on, and complete with it on.

You don't have to enter the quest with it on. You only have to equip the voice just before the end completion in order to get the bonus xp.

lppmor
11-09-2009, 09:22 AM
level 12+ isnt soloable easily without a caster character and even then it is quite a mission. personally without low level packs, i wouldn't step foot in demon sands or GH till you were level 12

My current toon is a Ranger. And I'll probably create a Cleric or Sorcerer after reaching a higher level with my Ranger.

What you guys suggest for a good solo experience past lvl 10 (if that's even possible)? Which packs should I buy then?

Failedlegend
11-09-2009, 09:29 AM
You don't have to enter the quest with it on. You only have to equip the voice just before the end completion in order to get the bonus xp.

Yeah but it also gives you a +1 luck bonus to all saves and skills which is nice. (Also Trinkets...at least the ones that are worth using seem, quite rare...the "Voice" is the first one I ever got that wasn't useless)

Although you are avoiding Lower Lvl content I would recommend getting Sharn Syndicate if not Delera both have great end rewards (VotM,Nicked weapons,etc.) and their also heavy on favor and really help unlocking Drow and Vet Mode

As far as the shared bank goes its a matter of convenience mailing a bunch of items one at a time (especially the billions of scrolls I seem to get to my Wiz) is a pain (and expensive) 1 at a time...also the extra 20 slots is nice it was definitely worth the chunk it took out of my 5000pt bundle.

Also even though alot of people recommend Tangleroot I do not (must admit I'm a newb here) the end rewards are decent but the quest is crazy long and each part you have to replay the entire dungeon again (each time going a little bit farther)...it's boring.

I have yet to be high enough level to play Gianthold or Demon Sands but they seem HIGHLY recommended by all and I've purchased them based on that so hopefully they won't disappoint like TRG.

Emili
11-09-2009, 09:33 AM
Some of the latest high level named loot is bind on account... thus you can place the "Regalia of the Phoenix" you just pulled on your barbarian into a shared bank slot for your sorc ... but you cannot mail it to her.

Uska
11-09-2009, 09:37 AM
LOL. I heard a lot of people talking about this voice, probably really nice. Is that Geddy Lee? If yes, then I'll buy it for sure :)

gives you +1 luck to skills and saves plus 5% exp bonus if worn when quest completes and is a trinket if you get the cloak of the world shaper to go with it from therenal you get ghost touch

IronAngel
11-09-2009, 09:43 AM
Yeah but it also gives you a +1 luck bonus to all saves and skills which is nice. (Also Trinkets...at least the ones that are worth using seem, quite rare...the "Voice" is the first one I ever got that wasn't useless)


Also even though alot of people recommend Tangleroot I do not (must admit I'm a newb here) the end rewards are decent but the quest is crazy long and each part you have to replay the entire dungeon again (each time going a little bit farther)...it's boring.

True that the trinket slot is a hit or miss, but there are other things that fit in there nicely. A lot depends on gear and build as to what you put in there.

As for Tangle root there are some nice lv 5 +3 stat items out of there. It is decent XP, especially with the explorer area added in. The favor is nice too. Yes the quest chain is long and boring, but things like a deathward clickie make it viable even for high level toons.

zooble
11-09-2009, 09:46 AM
My current toon is a Ranger. And I'll probably create a Cleric or Sorcerer after reaching a higher level with my Ranger.

What you guys suggest for a good solo experience past lvl 10 (if that's even possible)? Which packs should I buy then?

depends what you mean by good. there is no 1 pack that is full of soloable content...

asides from the few soloable quests in demon sands, i don't believe you'll find any of the stuff from 10+ similar to that of korthos/market quests... its all stepped up a notch as they were designed to be group based... it still seems that way from a lack of love in the scaling/solo changes (solo dissapears after lvl 6-7). think of the quests being primarily like gwylans, tears of dakaan, etc and not short n sweet like harbour quests.

you may have to do quests -3 to -4 levels below you to complete some solo on normal diff (i know i had to). you may also have to wait out shrine resets (coffee break!).

anything you find that you can solo in those packs you'll probably do 7-8x to get your xp's worth

if you look at the achievements forum you can get a sample of content people have been soloing but you should be aware that some are not your average geared character. the dungeons are also random ones found in different packs.

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if you have a friend to duo with that would be more ideal than soloing with a ranger ... otherwise you may have to join groups.

Wyrmnax
11-09-2009, 09:50 AM
Heh, if you think Tangleroot is boring, wait until Threnal.

Not only you have the "run into this dungeon 25 times, going further each time", but you also have escort quests on those dungeons.

Escorting someone whos as survivable as a Wizard 3 while he detects Flesh Renders 500m away in a cave is a mess.

rawzon3
11-09-2009, 09:50 AM
I also would recommend Tangleroot as an adventure pack. Not only for the Deathward Visors, but also because you can get a lot of House P faction early - nice for getting buffs and the incomparable Pendant of Time.

IronAngel
11-09-2009, 09:51 AM
gives you +1 luck to skills and saves plus 5% exp bonus if worn when quest completes and is a trinket if you get the cloak of the world shaper to go with it from therenal you get ghost touch

Mantle of the Worldshaper - Cloak: Heroic Inspiration, Regeneration, Scarab of Spell Absorption (5/5 Charges), DM's Vision set bonus (True Seeing) (ML: 5, guaranteed to be in the list)

The cloak does not give ghost touch, if combined with the voice it grants true seeing (so much better than ghost touch)

zooble
11-09-2009, 10:00 AM
True that the trinket slot is a hit or miss, but there are other things that fit in there nicely. A lot depends on gear and build as to what you put in there.

As for Tangle root there are some nice lv 5 +3 stat items out of there. It is decent XP, especially with the explorer area added in. The favor is nice too. Yes the quest chain is long and boring, but things like a deathward clickie make it viable even for high level toons.

FF trinket from sorrowdusk is good to have on pernamently in a quest... frees up boots for striders

TRG is boring because what is it... 5-6 of the quests you run through about 70% of the exact same area? 2 of those you are just running to the inner door? seriously... compared to some of ddo's other dungeons this is somewhat of poor design. haunted library blew me away when i 1st did that one.

the explorer there is nice and all but i never actually do that one.

Sorrowdusk is somewhat similar but you only run through the same area 2x so you don't even notice. running back n forth from the quest giver was more annoying.

zooble
11-09-2009, 10:10 AM
Heh, if you think Tangleroot is boring, wait until Threnal.

Not only you have the "run into this dungeon 25 times, going further each time", but you also have escort quests on those dungeons.

Escorting someone whos as survivable as a Wizard 3 while he detects Flesh Renders 500m away in a cave is a mess.

unless you really wanted that cloak i wouldn't get threnal (of course they would put 1 really useful item in all these packs)

its a pita to run due to the afforementioned multiple escorts

i can and have levelled using other packs

coming back on a high level to solo also proves difficult due to 1 escort where you take them to the library... leave him at the start and he dies... take him with you and you better be on the ball or he dies in 2 hits... don't forget those traps now...

the other escort can be cheesed by clearing the entire instance 2x over before making him follow. of course i missed 1 mob so he died so i gave up.

Uska
11-09-2009, 10:12 AM
Mantle of the Worldshaper - Cloak: Heroic Inspiration, Regeneration, Scarab of Spell Absorption (5/5 Charges), DM's Vision set bonus (True Seeing) (ML: 5, guaranteed to be in the list)

The cloak does not give ghost touch, if combined with the voice it grants true seeing (so much better than ghost touch)

my bad and your right.

Chimaira
11-09-2009, 12:03 PM
Yeah but it also gives you a +1 luck bonus to all saves and skills which is nice. (Also Trinkets...at least the ones that are worth using seem, quite rare...the "Voice" is the first one I ever got that wasn't useless)

Although you are avoiding Lower Lvl content I would recommend getting Sharn Syndicate if not Delera both have great end rewards (VotM,Nicked weapons,etc.) and their also heavy on favor and really help unlocking Drow and Vet Mode

As far as the shared bank goes its a matter of convenience mailing a bunch of items one at a time (especially the billions of scrolls I seem to get to my Wiz) is a pain (and expensive) 1 at a time...also the extra 20 slots is nice it was definitely worth the chunk it took out of my 5000pt bundle.

Also even though alot of people recommend Tangleroot I do not (must admit I'm a newb here) the end rewards are decent but the quest is crazy long and each part you have to replay the entire dungeon again (each time going a little bit farther)...it's boring.

I have yet to be high enough level to play Gianthold or Demon Sands but they seem HIGHLY recommended by all and I've purchased them based on that so hopefully they won't disappoint like TRG.

Sharn and delera are both bad packs to get on a budget of 3k+- TPs. The problem with someone just going premium straight away, is that they have no idea what to get.

Deleras is pumped full of undead and it's just really annoying for certain characters to fight undead. Voice of the master is really only useful for DM vision set if you also got worldshaper. And if you also got worldshaper, then voice of the master is pretty much a dead slot since the cloak is far better. I have found I'm usually far too busy with free quests to run deleras for the exp (And massive exp it does have). Tear of Dhakaan, Gwylans Stand, The Pit, Xorian Cipher it's just too many quests. Deleras is also far overpriced, 750 TPs just because it's narrated by GG is just not worth it. Then again, Gianthold is overpriced too but atleast it's the nr. 1 leveling pack because the higher level free quests are a waste of time and you can get 8k+- in 10 mins in GH, plus it has a really good raid filled with awesome gear. Best packs for the money spent are pretty much all the endgame ones, Vale, Necro 4 (the one with orchard, man I love orchard), Reavers Reach and Devils of Shavarath.

Personally, if possible I would skip both Gianthold and Sands of Menechtarun. Everyone recommends them, but Gianthold has the most frustrating and horrible explorer area ever (although it does look awesome) and nobody does Sands quests it seems (except the raid). The Vale and Necro 4 are just far far better and cost much less TPs and the explorer areas are actually fun and worth running.

lppmor
11-09-2009, 03:49 PM
Personally, if possible I would skip both Gianthold and Sands of Menechtarun. Everyone recommends them, but Gianthold has the most frustrating and horrible explorer area ever (although it does look awesome) and nobody does Sands quests it seems (except the raid). The Vale and Necro 4 are just far far better and cost much less TPs and the explorer areas are actually fun and worth running.

Thanks for the tip. But I noticed Vale and Necro 4 are designed for 13+ players, and probably I woudn't have the ability to solo there before at least level 15, right?

So, considering I need a way to level my toons after lvl 10 mostly soloing (I know.. but unfortunately soloing is the way I enjoy DDO :)), what would you suggest before Vale and Necro?

Krag
11-09-2009, 06:16 PM
Since you can earn Shared Bank Account with House K favor, purchasing it is not essential.

zooble
11-09-2009, 07:17 PM
Personally, if possible I would skip both Gianthold and Sands of Menechtarun. Everyone recommends them, but Gianthold has the most frustrating and horrible explorer area ever (although it does look awesome) and nobody does Sands quests it seems (except the raid). The Vale and Necro 4 are just far far better and cost much less TPs and the explorer areas are actually fun and worth running.

Everyone reccomends them since theres nothing better to breach the level gap at that level range (turbine most likely know this so they jack up the price). The XP you get from GH dwarfs most other quests you've run prior to GH. You can reach 12 without them but you can't exactly jump into higher level packs from there.... possibly -2 level in a group for Orchard but thats hardly feasible or worth the headache for most people.... not to mention groups there are even more scarce than Sands. but all this is irrelevant if you solo

more people do GH than sands but theres alot more that do sands now due to the new upgrade. people doing elite for epic unlocks, then epic. most of the time you would just see the raid flagging quests but as i mentioned before at least 4 side quests are easily soloable (+1 thats dependant on char).

a lot more people are farming the explorer too

Orchard is level 14 (necro 4) - full of powerful undead/constructs which is not friendly at all

Vale is level 16 (so you could probably get in a group at 14 but i seriously doubt its soloable at that level)

also if you do somehow use those packs to level instead of gh/sands then you'll still end up having to buy another pack anyway to get to 20 so you might as well do it in the intended order

Chimaira
11-09-2009, 08:10 PM
Orchard is actually quite solo friendly I have found, especially for undergeared characters. The orchard actually has easy areas and hard areas, similar to the vale. If you solo, you do the easy parts. In orchard, even if you are not up for the mobs, you can run past them and keep dodging them and run into the crypts looking for rares.

Now Gianthold...the quests are a pain in the behind to say the least for someone that wants to solo. Even fully geared up and built for soloing it will still take you twice the time and alot of resources. The explorer area is pointless, you have mobs that are WAY too strong and theres very few of them. Slayer is a pain and not worth it, the area is gigantic and there's a grand total of 10 rares, all extremely hard to reach due to a large amount of mobs that will do unspeakable things to you if you so much as think of running past them. In GH, your stuck doing the quests and raids. Which are great, really, theyre great. Alot of EXP and all, but for 1k TP? No, if your on a budget the explorer area of the vale and orchard can pretty much get you through those 12-16 levels after which you can pretty much do quest runs for exp. After you got those, you want shavarath, reavers reach (like 1k combined, and way better then GH alone). If you still have TPs after buying these packs and the classes you need then I would quite honestly get deleras and threnal JUST for DM vision and 5/day spell absorption. Thats 1150 TPs I believe, then I would get Gianthold. It's that far down my list.

zooble
11-10-2009, 04:42 AM
Orchard is actually quite solo friendly I have found, especially for undergeared characters. The orchard actually has easy areas and hard areas, similar to the vale. If you solo, you do the easy parts. In orchard, even if you are not up for the mobs, you can run past them and keep dodging them and run into the crypts looking for rares.


if all he does is explorers hes going to need 2-3 packs / 1 level as opposed to 1 pack / 2-3 levels doing quests too

i'm not saying gh quests would be easier than orchard quests (can't say i've spent much time in orchard quests)

to original poster:
fact remains if you want to solo to 20 you're better off as a wf-wiz/sorc or fleshie-cleric. explorers you can aoe the trash and instant kill 99% of rares. you'll also make short work of most quests.

if you cant run quests (whether you want to join or a group or not) then i don't see a reason to get to 20 other than to be 20.

lppmor
11-10-2009, 05:16 AM
I think I'll skip Gianthold for now, and aim for the Vale and Necro 4. However, I believe I'll still need some pack to fill the gap between around lvl 10 to 15.

I noticed there are Vault of Night and Demon Sands. Any worth buying?

@zooble:
I'll probably make a Sorcerer and a Cleric eventually. I'm for now just learning the game with my Ranger :)

lppmor
11-10-2009, 05:30 AM
Since you can earn Shared Bank Account with House K favor, purchasing it is not essential.

Hmm, so I can get a shared bank tab for my whole account with favor from one character? And how hard is getting 75 favor with House K (mainly from free quests)?

malthusian01
11-10-2009, 05:37 AM
I dont think I could survive without shared banking.

But I am weak.

And is it possible to get it with favor? I have gone past 150 with house K and it is only extra bank slots (which you have to pay plat for anyways)

lostx
11-10-2009, 06:26 AM
If you are a ranged ranger, don't forget house d favor, it unlocks quivers and nice returning arrows.

Talish
11-10-2009, 06:50 AM
You may want to rethink doing quests N/N/N instead of N/H/E

At 75 and 150 coinlords favor you get an extra backpack page (20 slots) for a total of 5 pages
At 75 and 150 House K favor you receive another bank page (20 slots) for a total of 3 pages

The bank page is not shared bank it just extra space. The shared bank has to be bought however I wouldn't worry about purchasing it until you actually have a need to transfer something that is BOUND TO ACCOUNT.

Also doing a quest on ELITE setting gives you maximum favor for that quest. If you only do N/N/N you are only getting 1/3 the possible favor for each quest. Doing Normal 3 times only gives you favor the first time through.

Now since you will only be getting 1/3 favor getting the above favor for backpack space and bankspace may not be possible so that means no extra storage space. (possibly more for Coinlords so you may get 1 extra backpack page)

Also as a side bonus you receive 25 turbine points for each 100 favor points in the game. This will help make your purchase cheaper.

Things to consider

incendia
11-10-2009, 07:09 AM
And how hard is getting 75 favor with House K (mainly from free quests)

F2Per here, got the 75 favour with House K a few days back. It's not hard - but I did it with a good group. I'm not sure how difficult you might find it if you want to solo.