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Memnir
09-18-2009, 12:27 PM
Oh, what the hell is this?
Where did these come from and why?


Really bad form, Turbine... I mean, good lord - are you trying to dive folks away?

Lerincho
09-18-2009, 12:28 PM
Gonna have to say that this is very distasteful.

Twerpp
09-18-2009, 12:29 PM
DDO is starting to resemble a POS free game.

KoboldKiller
09-18-2009, 12:31 PM
Quick question. Do we want DDO to survive?

If your answer is yes then we need to accept certain changes they have made in order to generate more revenue to keep the game alive.

If your answer is no, then why are you here anyway?

ThrasherGT
09-18-2009, 12:32 PM
/disagree

Anything that gets Turbine more money for development is a good thing.........

BTW, only banner I've seen is the one for this game (So far)

Robi3.0
09-18-2009, 12:33 PM
I think the most amusing part about this is I am watching a banner ad right now that is advertising DDO.

Redundancy much?

Also to be clear BOO! on banner adds!

Drekisen
09-18-2009, 12:34 PM
I think the obvious answer is in my thread.

This game is going all F2P, we are getting all those TP's a month for free because when they finally cancel subscriptions at least some of the original base will stick around because they will have TP's left to buy what they once got for free.

Attack speeds were slowed because the big seller in the store is going to be an attack speed booster.

End of story, I hope I am, wrong, but I think I am not.

Impaqt
09-18-2009, 12:34 PM
Ugh. Just got hit with this as well....

Please disable ads for VIPs at least.

So dissapointed.

smatt
09-18-2009, 12:34 PM
All in the name of revenue..... Welcome to the business world :eek:

I can't wait for in game adds.. Such as You are now entering the Tower of Despair brought to you by Blah Blah Meds, the makers of Lithium.... "Do not despair Lithium is here for you, it will mellow those times when your despair is overwhelming you"

:D

Tarackian
09-18-2009, 12:35 PM
Yes. But I don't need to see this ****. I subscribe so they really don't need to pitch this **** to me.

And if these ads are the only thing between the success and failure of DDO....kill it now and let us move on.

Oh, yes...i'm here because I love D&D (not WoW or any other variation of D&D) and this is the closest i can get to it ...but i don't need to be bombarded with ads that mean nothing to a paying subscriber.

I'm with the OP.



Quick question. Do we want DDO to survive?

If your answer is yes then we need to accept certain changes they have made in order to generate more revenue to keep the game alive.

If your answer is no, then why are you here anyway?

cdbd3rd
09-18-2009, 12:36 PM
Oh, what the hell is this?
Where did these come from and why?


Really bad form, Turbine... I mean, good lord - are you trying to dive folks away?


*Sigh*


Yeah... Not unexpected.
Ads are big money for a site that gets a lot of clicks. And we do seem to do a bunch of clicking around here...

*light bulb pops overhead*
Waitasec....

That's why the 'combat change' took place... They knew we'd be clicking up a mad storm of activity to rage about it, blowing click count thru the roof long enough to make numbers to show potential ad clients. Soon as that's done, then we get our change-back, and we can settle back in with only the annoyingly irritating banner ads (and underlying data bugs) to deal with......


(All that tin foil in me hat now. Oh, the Apple jelly jars i coulda made with all that.) :

DragonKiller
09-18-2009, 12:36 PM
Firefox + Noscript + Adblock Plus = No adds (on just about every site on the internet)

:D

Drekisen
09-18-2009, 12:36 PM
I think what u guys are missing is VIP's are being phased out.

Lerincho
09-18-2009, 12:38 PM
Quick question. Do we want DDO to survive?

If your answer is yes then we need to accept certain changes they have made in order to generate more revenue to keep the game alive.

If your answer is no, then why are you here anyway?

okay so they need to generate money to survive, we understand that. however, for VIPs to see the ads without having ability to turn them off, distasteful. just as cable company sending you advertisements of their servers when you already pay them.

smatt
09-18-2009, 12:39 PM
Really though who cares..... As long as they don't put those stupid floaty pop-ups on my screen, a banner ad is no bother, at least to me......

Rog
09-18-2009, 12:39 PM
they going this path of the forums so be it in game would be over the line. now use this new source of money and bring us new mods on a reg basis.

Vua
09-18-2009, 12:40 PM
Quick question. Do we want DDO to survive?

If your answer is yes then we need to accept certain changes they have made in order to generate more revenue to keep the game alive.

If your answer is no, then why are you here anyway?

I'm here to play a game and enjoy myself. DDO's survival is really not my concern. While it's here and I enjoy it I'll play it. Once it's no longer fun I'm gone. If the servers close before I stop enjoying it then oh well. I've managed to live 90% of my life without this game and I've enjoyed most of it.

ThrasherGT
09-18-2009, 12:41 PM
I think the obvious answer is in my thread.

This game is going all F2P, we are getting all those TP's a month for free because when they finally cancel subscriptions at least some of the original base will stick around because they will have TP's left to buy what they once got for free.

Attack speeds were slowed because the big seller in the store is going to be an attack speed booster.

End of story, I hope I am, wrong, but I think I am not.

First, Your font color is REALLY hard to read, but I digress.......

I, for one, would quit DDO in a heartbeat if I could not keep My Sub. Why would Turbine get rid of a steady revenue stream? It just doesn't make sense.........

Lastly, the new combat system has been out for ONE DAY. Maybe give them some time to tweak it before You cry DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!11!!!11!!!

Memnir
09-18-2009, 12:41 PM
I think what u guys are missing is VIP's are being phased out.I hope you're wrong, but I no longer consider anything to be too outlandish of an idea anymore.


VIPs should be able to turn this garbage off. As it is, I'm getting the adblocker mentioned by Dragonkiller.

Drekisen
09-18-2009, 12:46 PM
First, Your font color is REALLY hard to read, but I digress.......

I, for one, would quit DDO in a heartbeat if I could not keep My Sub. Why would Turbine get rid of a steady revenue stream? It just doesn't make sense.........

Lastly, the new combat system has been out for ONE DAY. Maybe give them some time to tweak it before You cry DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!11!!!11!!!

I'm not crying DOOOOOM, if they make this an all F2P game it will survive, in fact it may do better, but if u think about it what I say makes sense.

They are clearly looking for more money, I can't see a better way than by slowing down the attacks and putting an item in the store that makes u attack faster.

I just hope it doesn't vanish on death like some of the other F2P games I play.

What doesn't make sense to me is why would Turbine give a steady stream of revenue a reason to save up thier TP's for a few month and then just cancel and have the whole game for free?

Heck, they can take all the time they need to "FIX" iit now, I can just play my other games that are actually honest upfront about stuff instead of using these stealthy tactics, and when I get the urge to experience DDO just log on for free and play.

Really, I hope I am wrong, I wanna be wrong in this case, but DDO is really quickly becoming not my favorite anymore, just another MMO.....just like the VIP's are quickly becoming just another means of money for them and not really VIP at all.

Tolero
09-18-2009, 12:49 PM
While I appreciate that this is a new change for folks, just to clear a few things up

- In any free content business model (whether it's games, web comics, or what have you) there are three portions of revenue generation: product, donations, and advertising
- No we're not getting rid of the VIP tier (and I'll just throw in a :confused: on this one.)
- We are working with our advertising partner to try and keep the ads appropriate to the audience. You might see ads for things like Magic the Gathering etc. They're still making the adjustments for us on what kinds of ads display.

We're also still exploring ways that you may not see the ads at all, but that is still in process.

gfunk
09-18-2009, 12:51 PM
If your answer is yes then we need to accept certain changes they have made in order to generate more revenue to keep the game alive.

yep, I hear that pretty soon all our characters are going to have to wear sponser labelled clothing. Personally I'm hoping for Nike, and not Walmart...


p.s. the only banner add I have seen is for ddo...

Robi3.0
09-18-2009, 12:51 PM
I think what u guys are missing is VIP's are being phased out.

While no one but Turbine know for sure I see no reason to phase out VIPs. If it does happen it will more then likely be the choice of the players. meaning..... eventually more VIPs will opt for the "Lifetime sub" over paying monthly.

Turbine likes money, I am convinced they don't care in what manner players give it to them.


I hope you're wrong, but I no longer consider anything to be too outlandish of an idea anymore.


VIPs should be able to turn this garbage off. As it is, I'm getting the adblocker mentioned by Dragonkiller.

I can sign on to this, and I have been a strong support of VIPs not getting anymore perks.

MacFionn
09-18-2009, 12:52 PM
Those of us who are paying monthly, semi-annually, or annually shouldn't have to see banner ads.

woundweaver
09-18-2009, 12:53 PM
Yes. But I don't need to see this ****. I subscribe so they really don't need to pitch this **** to me.

And if these ads are the only thing between the success and failure of DDO....kill it now and let us move on.

Oh, yes...i'm here because I love D&D (not WoW or any other variation of D&D) and this is the closest i can get to it ...but i don't need to be bombarded with ads that mean nothing to a paying subscriber.

I'm with the OP.agreed. vip's shouldnt have to see this junk. turbine, the more money you seem to be making, the worse you are doing with it. FIX THE LAG!! not advertise for college or jcpenney. jeez.

Hokiewa
09-18-2009, 12:55 PM
All in the name of revenue..... Welcome to the business world :eek:

I can't wait for in game adds.. Such as You are now entering the Tower of Despair brought to you by Blah Blah Meds, the makers of Lithium.... "Do not despair Lithium is here for you, it will mellow those times when your despair is overwhelming you"

:D

LMAO, I'm waiting for banner ads above chest loot...........come on, you know it's coming..........

I get the motivation to make money, but banner ads....really??? sad so very sad....

I don't see on lotro....lol

Lerincho
09-18-2009, 12:55 PM
I can just see.......................................//flashback music



loading into Titan Awakes...
Mod 2 - the Titan Awakes
brought to you by...
ACME commercial building


loading into Zawabi's Revenge...
Mod 3 - the Demon Queen
brought to you by...
Gillette razors new Venus dispossables.


loading into Reaver's Revenge...
Mod 4 - Gianthold
brought to you by...
Jolly Green Giant


loading into The Black Abbott...
Mod 5 - Ascension
brought to you by...
Becker Funeral Homes


loading into the Shroud
Mod 6 - Thirteenth Eclipse
brought to you by...
Rockband - Van Halen edition


loading into Tower of Despair
brought to you by...
FreeCreditReport.com

Sambvca
09-18-2009, 12:56 PM
Did you guys see the sweet combat mechanics in that broccoli game?

Lerincho
09-18-2009, 12:56 PM
yep, I hear that pretty soon all our characters are going to have to wear sponser labelled clothing. Personally I'm hoping for Nike, and not Walmart...


p.s. the only banner add I have seen is for ddo...

NFL.com is one, and there have been 2 others.

Drekisen
09-18-2009, 12:57 PM
Hmmmm...well, at this point all I can say is I'll beleive it when I see it, I'm a little confused as to why the developers would make such a drastic change to combat overnight......other than that 6HR. attack speed boost that will sell buy 3 get 3 free for (guessing here) around 100-150 a pop that comes out within the next few days. I could be wrong, maybe it will be less, not much tho, for the evil plan to succeed VIP's will need to spend money on points in excess of what they are given free each month.

smatt
09-18-2009, 12:57 PM
I might add that paying a monthly sub gives you access to the game NOT the forums.... The forums are free to everybody.....

gfunk
09-18-2009, 12:58 PM
Our premier guild, Quantum Entropy (http://guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=320262&TabID=2684999)is Banner Free, and features a public posting site! Our solid financial management has allowed us to do away with advertising on the site... Actually, I think Garth returned his empties so he could chip in the 30 bucks... maybe we should run a bottle drive benefit for Turbine? I'm sure we could raise most of the $30.

Borror0
09-18-2009, 01:00 PM
We're also still exploring ways that you may not see the ads at all, but that is still in process.
That would be a welcomed addition. I don't think subscribers should exposed to any ads, here or in-game (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=198570).

Garth_of_Sarlona
09-18-2009, 01:01 PM
Our premier guild, Quantum Entropy (http://guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=320262&TabID=2684999)is Banner Free, and features a public posting site!

hold on - Quantum Entropy is a 'premier guild'? How come we let you in then? :)

Garth

gfunk
09-18-2009, 01:02 PM
hold on - Quantum Entropy is a 'premier guild'? How come we let you in then? :)

Garth

someone needs to sweep the floors...

RTN
09-18-2009, 01:02 PM
As a VIP, I would like the OPTION to turn off ads.

And I must say, I love the broccoli vs beholder ad. Great job to the marketing team.

Zenako
09-18-2009, 01:07 PM
Much like the Eudora Email Client had tiers of code.

Free - with ads in the corner for all us tightwads
Low Rent - for those who wanted some more features and the ads.
Full buy - for those who wanted all features and no ads.


FtP = you get ads and promos on the forums and on loading screens
Premier = you get ads on the forums, clean in the game
VIP = clean site and game

ta da

Drekisen
09-18-2009, 01:07 PM
Actually, I like broccoli, has to be steamed tho, raw broccoli=yuck!

The_Phenx
09-18-2009, 01:09 PM
HEH I love the broccoli ad...

Kistilan
09-18-2009, 01:09 PM
I keep seeing the college advertisement.... and I am reminded sadly of another promo.

http://www.shooshtime.com/images/photos/225533f11f8653344303d0270aad2b30forrow-your-dreams.JPG

THAC0
09-18-2009, 01:10 PM
VIPs should be able to turn off the Ads. We are monthly paying customers. Put ads on the F2P people.

me 2 cents.

ahpook
09-18-2009, 01:10 PM
I'm not crying DOOOOOM, if they make this an all F2P game it will survive, in fact it may do better, but if u think about it what I say makes sense.

Actually it makes no sense. Did you lose your hat? You know the one made of tinfoil??? Why would turbine give up a service that nets $120 - $180 per year in order to get hopefully $50-$100 in F2P purchases.

Even with your goofy haste potions, they could still be used by VIPs. So that is no reason to pull VIP.

BTW, your haste potions are goofy because putting out a poor game that is only playable by buying haste potions is no way to get people to play consistently. Most people would stop playing in 5 minutes if that was the model. It is a far simpler explanation that they revamped the combat for simplicity and efficiency and that they didn't get everything perfect. In fact, Eladrin has already said they are still tweaking the system and it will be changed in the next update. Someone should introduce you to a gentleman named Occam.

BTW, I don't mind the banners as long as it doesn't noticably slow the load of the page on an iphone. I learned to ignore them a long time ago. That said, I wouldn't mind if they were suppressed for VIPs.

Pwesiela
09-18-2009, 01:11 PM
Firefox + Noscript + Adblock Plus = No adds (on just about every site on the internet)

:D

/QFT

What are these ads you're talking about?

Kistilan
09-18-2009, 01:13 PM
This is a very lonely part of the forums to be in. DDO Websites Discussion is.... empty.

smatt
09-18-2009, 01:15 PM
I keep seeing the college advertisement.... and I am reminded sadly of another promo.

http://www.shooshtime.com/images/photos/225533f11f8653344303d0270aad2b30forrow-your-dreams.JPG


Ya the college ads might remind A LOT of DDO people they should be studying harder for school and preparing to get out of Mommy and Daddy's basement, rather than on the latest greatest build....... :D

Coldin
09-18-2009, 01:16 PM
You know what's a nice thing. Ad-block. :)

Vordax
09-18-2009, 01:17 PM
Those of us who are paying monthly, semi-annually, or annually shouldn't have to see banner ads.

Please explain why a subscriber shouldn't see these?

Personally they don't bother me at all, I never really understood why ads bothered anyone. I can understand why a web page that has more than 25% of the page covered in ads is annoying, the content gets lost in the clutter, but a singular banner ad does not really distract from the page at all IMO.

Vordax

Hokiewa
09-18-2009, 01:18 PM
Did you guys see the sweet combat mechanics in that broccoli game?

Ahaha, I can totally attack that broccoli 5 times faster then the beholder...

Are you billing yourself for that ad? lol

Ustice
09-18-2009, 01:22 PM
Banner ads (http://firefox.com)? What are those (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865)? I don't understand (http://noscript.net/).







http://ustice.net/skitch/DDO_ads-20090918-132809.png


If you are FTP, then leave the ads alone. Turbine deserves to get paid for DDO.

LeslieWest_GuitarGod
09-18-2009, 01:30 PM
I never saw the ads. Why?

Firefox + Adblock Plus = No adds (on just about every site on the internet)

And both are free.

AdBlock Plus is a completely free add on. Its extremely useful. Easily the best ad blocker I've ever seen.

Rekker
09-18-2009, 01:30 PM
It might be a F2P model, but you are going to make more money this month than any month the entire year.

Ad revenue doesn't fit that excuse.

Drekisen
09-18-2009, 01:42 PM
Actually it makes no sense. Did you lose your hat? You know the one made of tinfoil??? Why would turbine give up a service that nets $120 - $180 per year in order to get hopefully $50-$100 in F2P purchases.

Even with your goofy haste potions, they could still be used by VIPs. So that is no reason to pull VIP.

BTW, your haste potions are goofy because putting out a poor game that is only playable by buying haste potions is no way to get people to play consistently. Most people would stop playing in 5 minutes if that was the model. It is a far simpler explanation that they revamped the combat for simplicity and efficiency and that they didn't get everything perfect. In fact, Eladrin has already said they are still tweaking the system and it will be changed in the next update. Someone should introduce you to a gentleman named Occam.

BTW, I don't mind the banners as long as it doesn't noticably slow the load of the page on an iphone. I learned to ignore them a long time ago. That said, I wouldn't mind if they were suppressed for VIPs.

I don't know, seeing as how ur so wise would u like to enlighten us all as to why they would take one of the greatest parts of the game to many and trash it?
When ur done with ur theory can I have my hat back plz?

Easy there killer, I am sure ur DDO addiction will stilll be fed in some way or another.

I guess what I am really trying to say is when a change that drastic is made to combat overnight, when all the sudden banner ads are popping up, when certain things that were bound to account at the store are now bound to character, it means something is up.

I may be goofy, but at least I am not naive.

I don't know seeing as how ur so wise would u like to give ur theory as to why they took one of the best aspects of this game to so many and trashed it overnight?
When ur done can I have my hat back plz?

Another thing I wanted to point out which I forgot the first time is why would Turbine have given 3000 free TP's to 2+year subscribers who could now buy almost a third of the content, and then periodically go back and forth from being a VIP and saving up the 500 free TP's a month and switching back to f2p when they want and eventually just buying everything thru points and not ever having to re-subscribe. OK, now they have just lost a steady subscriber, have to keep up maintenance of that players data, and hopefully replace revenue with new players, many of whom will be f2p and will not be purchasing as much as the subscriber, who at one point only had one option to be able to play the game, and that was to pay a subscription.

Talking about not making sense.

Ciaran
09-18-2009, 02:16 PM
VIPs should be able to turn off the Ads. We are monthly paying customers. Put ads on the F2P people.

me 2 cents.

Yep, if for no other reason than to annoy them into becoming VIPs!

Really, this kind of thing shouldn't have been launched without VIPs first having a way to turn it off. Better late than never, I guess just as long as we get that option.

Also, thanks for your response to this, Tolero.

THAC0
09-18-2009, 02:54 PM
I never saw the ads. Why?

Firefox + Adblock Plus = No adds (on just about every site on the internet)

And both are free.

AdBlock Plus is a completely free add on. Its extremely useful. Easily the best ad blocker I've ever seen.

Ah, I didn't know that.

WeaselKing
09-18-2009, 03:00 PM
Firefox + Adblock plus for FTW!! I didn't even notice the change until these threads started popping up, all I can see is the word advertisement very tiny and grayed out above the threads.

tihocan
09-18-2009, 03:29 PM
Using Firefox and Ablock plus as well, no more ad :)

Impaqt
09-18-2009, 03:44 PM
At least we know why our Succubi left us yesterday now.

Memnir
09-18-2009, 04:17 PM
Yep... wouldn't do to offend the revenue monkeys, and their delicate sensibilities.

Pyromaniac
09-18-2009, 05:11 PM
Maybe that's why the combat animation cycles were taken out, so we can get some banner ads in game as well...

kyebosh
09-18-2009, 06:11 PM
+1 vote for VIP = no ads.

Can't say I'm too worried about it though, it's just potential icing for the VIP cake :)

Talcyndl
09-18-2009, 10:09 PM
/QFT

What are these ads you're talking about?

Shhhhh. Don't tell them.

:)

Vordax
09-18-2009, 11:15 PM
Using Firefox and Ablock plus as well, no more ad :)

There is one problem with this... if everyone used adblock then no one would see the ads for DDO, and there wouldn't be any where near as many new subscribers.

In general, ads allow content to be free (or cheaper), blocking the revenue for the content will cause the content to either go away or end up having a fee.

Vordax