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Matuse
09-10-2009, 06:08 PM
I was in Korthos, eliting out the quests there and finishing off the Slayer quest in the wilderness, and it was rather stunning just how many brand new players were there, asking questions about EVERYTHING.

I guess I just can't understand the mindset of going into a game without doing even the most basic research on how the rules worked. And not knowing how the game works, how do they justify skipping the tutorial!? I guess I should be used to it from my time in EVE, but I'm not. I mean, people were asking what dexterity did...

I fielded questions for the couple hours I was there, but then it was time to retreat. Beware once this tide figures out its way into the harbor and beyond!

But, fresh blood is also a good thing.

Gutskas
09-10-2009, 06:42 PM
I agree with you that newbies should do their research before stepping foot into the actual game. I am still a newbie myself, just started playing the game just a few days ago, but as I was downloading, heck even before I decided that I wanted to play this game I did my fair share of research mainly so I didn't totally mess up my first character. But skipping the tutorial? That's just wow... I don't think players should even be able to use general chat until they've completed it.

Arnya
09-10-2009, 06:50 PM
The sad part is the removal of Euphonia's challenges that showed the specialist classes how to play their class.

Back in the day, you couldn't even skip the old version of the collaborator. And it was a 2-parter.

But I agree - there are so many players that don't even look in the start menu to see if there's a link to the game manual (which there is).

I don't care how inaccurate the manual is - it still teaches the basics of D&D and how to use DDOs main UI features.

KaKa
09-10-2009, 07:39 PM
Its not just new players, its people in general. This past week I have led many three year vets through simple like where the mailbox is, or where the tavern is, like if they don't have something memorized from extreme repetition they can't hit the map button and look at the icons themselves.

People like to be hand fed info. It's just how people are, so best to just live with it. It could be worse.

Quanefel
09-10-2009, 07:41 PM
Good times.

Melkor_The_Mighty
09-11-2009, 03:43 AM
Its not just new players, its people in general. This past week I have led many three year vets through simple like where the mailbox is, or where the tavern is, like if they don't have something memorized from extreme repetition they can't hit the map button and look at the icons themselves.

People like to be hand fed info. It's just how people are, so best to just live with it. It could be worse.

was doing the one time flag for desert and a founder 3.5 year player couldnt make it to OOB and was too embarrassed to ask. I ended quest then he cried I wasnt helpful, I said I am headed to COF if you dont know way follow me. HE entered desert got lost, i headed to COF, he then demanded/expected me to recall from the entrance of COF to guide him to quest. Bottom line is its not the new players you have to watch out for but also the ones that have been here for 3.5 years. Also the so called elite vets that didnt even know you could solo POP. Not being able to solo it i can forgive, but not even knowing its been done and is possible then arguing about?! LOL

Theres a new quest called the Devil you know... well for me the Noob you dont know is better than the Noob you know is a noob for 3.5 years.

balforofthenis
09-11-2009, 04:04 AM
People like to be hand fed info. It's just how people are, so best to just live with it. It could be worse.


Couldn't have put it better myself lol..

firesnakearies77
09-11-2009, 06:18 PM
I'm one of those noobs. Rawr!

Tolero
09-11-2009, 06:35 PM
Re: skipping tutorial -

eh unless something is wrong, if you're brand new to the game you can't skip the tutorial until you've run it on at least one character first. :confused: Jeets shouldn't give the option in his dialog unless you've done it before

Borror0
09-11-2009, 06:38 PM
For such a complex game, the tutorial is not long or complete enough. Not to mention that the in-game descriptions are just vague and unclear.

But, it's also a good thing it's short. The tutorial is sooo boring and easy that it's a crime. Making it longer would be cruel.

KoboldKiller
09-11-2009, 06:49 PM
I will admit there have been a bunch of redundant and seemingly obvious questions but it doesn't bother me much. I assume many are probably younger and have no clue at all and others may just be confused even if they have done some research. But then again I like helping people no matter how silly they seem, well mostly anyway.

Hafeal
09-11-2009, 06:57 PM
I love the new players - brings back those feelings of excitement. Jumping into a group and not letting them know you are vet - watching them struggle through the adventures - priceless (in a good, and sometimes humorous way).

:)

Pwesiela
09-11-2009, 10:14 PM
I fielded questions for the couple hours I was there, but then it was time to retreat. Beware once this tide figures out its way into the harbor and beyond!

But, fresh blood is also a good thing.

I was in the harbor for 7 hours on 9/9 on Thelanis (doing my required reading at the same time) fielding questions from the new players. It got to the point where I was anticipating questions and the follow-ups that would happen. So I just created a word document and copy/pasted the answers =P.

I don't know if I'll do that again...It was rather....draining.

Catiff
09-11-2009, 11:07 PM
Actually, I can handle the noobs, as I'm one myself (but with years and years of D&D tabletop experience), but what really gets me is the (not pointing any one out) Brazillian players who seem to fill the chat not only with in-quest tells, but also just normal talking. I understand if you want to play with people from other countries, but when they can't understand you, I think it's time to either use the language most used on the chat, or change channels.

Other than that, this has been the most fun I've had since Beta testing the original version, so many years ago.

Kuroyume
09-12-2009, 01:03 AM
Actually, I can handle the noobs, as I'm one myself (but with years and years of D&D tabletop experience), but what really gets me is the (not pointing any one out) Brazillian players who seem to fill the chat not only with in-quest tells, but also just normal talking. I understand if you want to play with people from other countries, but when they can't understand you, I think it's time to either use the language most used on the chat, or change channels.

I've lived with brazilians, and ran into a lot of them in a lot of games, and it's always the same thing. I'm not a native english speaker either, but it is common courtesy to speak in a language that is accepted as universal on public channels/situations...

I'm one of the "noobs", but a combination of a pretty decent knowledge of D&D rules, basic MMO common sense and some googling has left me in a pretty good position. what really bothers me is the amount of misinformation going around in chat, like people saying that you can only get the leveling sigils by paying for them.

(for the record, i got my sigil today on my first run of normal Butcher's Path, so i'm living proof that you can get them from quests :P)

vegabond1969
09-12-2009, 11:27 AM
Well I'm one of those 3 year vets that played off and on and I gotta say IMO it's unreal how many people will ask the same questions over and over. I started a new toon on Cannith and had to do the tutorial, but I still like the old start better (no offense to the Devs :D). With my last run being seven months ago, I am still learning all the new stuff thats been added for the free2play. General chat is a spamfest of how can and why cants now and my wife and I just look at each other and ask if we were like that when we started. If we were, I cant remember.:p

Aislingi
09-12-2009, 06:16 PM
So...
Veteran players are flocking to the server designed to accommodate new players, **** up the economy, lag the thing up and then complain that there are too many questions?
What the Hell do you expect? If you don't want to answer, don't. I've seen three conversations on Cannith total.
1. Questions about the game.
2. Which PnP system you liked the most.
3. Trolling.
A thousand people asking one question each doesn't mean that they "lack research" it just means they decided to go out on a limb and ask the community.
You have a half a dozen servers full of experienced players to choose from.
If the server was just new players they'd be forced to figure it out themselves for the most part.

Pwesiela
09-12-2009, 11:41 PM
The two most common questions within 7 hours of answering them:

1) What does level X of 4 mean? How do I go beyond level four? Where do I get the sigils of leveling? (One question with the immediate followups.)

2) What are the kyhber/siberys dragonshards for? What can I craft with them? Where do I craft with them? Do I want to change my feats? (Again. The follow-up questions.)

I'm still trying to figure out how people can sign up for the f2p and not get the answers to the first set of questions.

The second set I fully understand, since there's nothing in game to really tell anyone what they're for unless you've been playing forever.

The third most popular question I got (often through a /tell) was 3) What feat should I get at level up? Is weapon finesse worth it?

uhgungawa
09-12-2009, 11:52 PM
You seem to forget that when we joined in 06' the game was much more simplistic, only 4 enhancements ect. We could just jump into th game and learn it on the run. It's alot harder to do that now.

Nestorious
09-13-2009, 04:40 AM
You seem to forget that when we joined in 06' the game was much more simplistic, only 4 enhancements ect. We could just jump into th game and learn it on the run. It's alot harder to do that now.

/signed

Twerpp
09-13-2009, 05:03 AM
For such a complex game, the tutorial is not long or complete enough. Not to mention that the in-game descriptions are just vague and unclear.

But, it's also a good thing it's short. The tutorial is sooo boring and easy that it's a crime. Making it longer would be cruel.


Yeah I got a buddy of mine to play, avid gamer for life. I was sure he'd love DDO. He said the tutorial was so weak it was a big turnoff for the whole thing. I played Champions a bit and thought the exact same thing.

Borror0
09-13-2009, 05:18 AM
Yeah I got a buddy of mine to play, avid gamer for life. I was sure he'd love DDO. He said the tutorial was so weak it was a big turnoff for the whole thing.
Same thing but replace "buddy of mine" by "roommate".

firesnakearies77
09-13-2009, 06:56 AM
I liked the tutorial.

Revord
09-13-2009, 10:38 AM
I have to say, for myself, I have avoided answering the plethora of questions that spam up the chat in Cannith. I am mostly a noob myself, although I had played pnp d&d back in the 70's when it first came out, but I find some of the questions either being answered better than I can answer them, or I dont really know the answer definitively. I did however find it easier (at least for me) to have a co worker of mine who recently started group up with me and showed him the ropes as best as I could via the voice chat. It might not always be a workable solution, but it would save a lot of time typing by being in a group with a knowledgeable vet with voice chat. Then, of course, there are the incorrigible players who are difficult to get along with and you would rather have a root canal without novocane than hear them.

Also, we need to find out which vendor is selling the +1 tasty ham of troll feeding, and put a stop to it :P In other words, someone comes on and starts trolling, just ignore him/her. I cant stand them either, however, if you dont respond, they eventually have to stop:cool:

keegusmcdille
09-16-2009, 03:38 PM
Well, we all gotta start somewhere, and since the game is f2p there are going to be a lot of people hopping on just to check it out. Casual players don't generally have much time to do research on a game they're not completely sure on.

I myself am pretty new to the game, got into the Eberron Unlimited beta, and liked it though I didn't spend much time on(didnt really want to invest into a character i couldn't keep, and none of my friends got in either). But, I have been playing AD&D since about '93, D&D 3.x since it came out, and other D20 modules like Sovereign Stone, so I got a pretty good grasp of the basics.

I would like to thank the individual who plays Lugal though personally. I myself didn't ask for much help, but he really went above and beyond what I see most other players doing in fielding newbie questions and just giving general tips to those starting off on Korthos.

Tolero
09-16-2009, 05:03 PM
hello newbies!! (ignore this just testing something)

Borror0
09-16-2009, 05:56 PM
ignore this
No.

(Delete this post if you planned to delete the quotes post when done testing.)

djtwig
09-17-2009, 06:37 AM
I am going to make the mistake of replying without reading every single reply first. That said,
I played during the first beta. Liked the game, but just could not stick with it. Then it was group
or basically fail again and again. A couple years later, solo hit. Came back. It was a much needed,
but at the same time, under implemented, idea.

Tried coming back a couple years later, saw thing's had improved, but still could not stick with the
game. Highest toon I have ever had made it to lvl 5. I am not social, and do not play well with idiots.
That being said. This whole thing about people *****ing about some of the questions being asked in
general and advice, erks me. Every time I revisit a game, I play through the tutorial, just to get a
refresher course in the basics.
Even with that, no tutorial answers every question. I must admit that the current one that has been
implemented, is very lacking. It gives you the bare minimum of info to be able to walk around and smash
things. Having some idea of a clue, I must say I liked it. Up to the point that you finish misery's peak
and then are suddenly dumped in this new place.
I must admit that when I first finished the Korthos's city quests, and received the first quest that has
you heading out to the wilderness, even after reading the quest description, I was a little confused as
to were to go next. Mebbe this is a symptom of current mmo thinking. Alot of people need a clear
definition of where to go next. Others will look at the situation and say, "Screw it , time to explore
somewhere else"
I always seem to ramble. Sorry. Basically a long way of saying, just because
someone ask a question, that you think is a no brainier, does not mean it does not
deserve an answer. Mostly. Each and everyone of us was a NUB once. Some
people just have a steeper learning curve then others. That does not mean that
some day they won't be wiping the floor with your face.

Aerendil
09-17-2009, 08:03 AM
Same thing but replace "buddy of mine" by "roommate".

I've always wondered why we use "roommate" over here in North America. Do we literally share a room with these people? No. So why roommate?

The European "flatmate" seems so much more accurate, as you're sharing a house (or apartment) with them, not a room.

Very odd. But I digress.
Continue on with the thread, please :)

Gleipner
09-17-2009, 08:39 AM
I've always wondered why we use "roommate" over here in North America. Do we literally share a room with these people? No. So why roommate?

The European "flatmate" seems so much more accurate, as you're sharing a house (or apartment) with them, not a room.

Very odd. But I digress.
Continue on with the thread, please :)

Good to see someone have some insight to things, NOW start using the metric-system alrdy you n00bs.

Soz for OT just had to

Gleipner
09-17-2009, 08:40 AM
hello newbies!! (ignore this just testing something)

you´r the n00b :D testing ere what´s that all about :)

Aerendil
09-17-2009, 11:44 AM
Good to see someone have some insight to things, NOW start using the metric-system alrdy you n00bs.

Soz for OT just had to

Haha :)

Girlfriend's a Brit, and lived with UK and Aussie flatmates over in Japan for a while as well, so "flatmate" is a perfectly normal word for me. Then again, so is "crisps", "sarnies", and "tosser", but hey, at least I get the best of your world ;)

PS - We use the metric system up here in the great white north. It's just those weirdos south of us that choose not to use it, despite everyone else in the world using it!

KoboldKiller
09-17-2009, 11:45 AM
Haha :)

Girlfriend's a Brit, and lived with UK and Aussie flatmates over in Japan for a while as well.

PS - We use the metric system up here in the great white north. It's just those weirdos south of us that choose not to use it, despite everyone else in the world using it!


Just because everyone else is using it doesn't mean they're right. :)

Aerendil
09-17-2009, 12:18 PM
Just because everyone else is using it doesn't mean they're right. :)

Lol. Like free health care? ;)

Gleipner
09-17-2009, 02:47 PM
Just because everyone else is using it doesn't mean they're right. :)

Hyuh, hyuh, hello mah name is Jaid
And ahm a farmer and I`ve been growin
mary-jah-wana fer about twenty years and uhh
uhh, with Dr. Greenthumb`s `Sizzlean` screen
I don`t hafta point my shotgun
at them pesky porkers no more
Thanks Dr. Green, you`re tha ****

Or if you want the full monty: That´s where you have your head? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJNZWYtJuF8)

Or: total jackass (http://www.dgranthaynes.com/blogcfm/1/custom/bush_moron.jpg)

Revord
09-17-2009, 06:22 PM
lol at the last few off topic posts, Ill go metric if you guys convince GM Ford and Chevy to go all metric instead of this half and half ****. I hate having to go buy ONE socket to fix my car when everything else I had to take off to get to the part was in US.

Anyhow, On topic:
I stumbled upon a '/' command that some of the old timers probably know of but have forgotten that is VERY useful. /glossary. This command combined with something like fortitude save will give you almost (I havent gone in depth with it) every answer to basic questions about the game terminology like fortitude saves, and so forth. Im kind of a loner for the most part, and with that, I usually go and try to find the answer myself. I honestly dont like bugging people too much and I only do so when I have a hard time finding what I need myself. This is a good tool to use to help folks find their own answers.

Arnya
09-17-2009, 06:40 PM
lol at the last few off topic posts, Ill go metric if you guys convince GM Ford and Chevy to go all metric instead of this half and half ****. I hate having to go buy ONE socket to fix my car when everything else I had to take off to get to the part was in US.

That's because most of GM & Ford's quality parts are made in Germany and Australia and all the non-precision cover plates etc can be made locally because quality isn't an issue :)

Grushvak
09-24-2009, 10:01 PM
DDO, being f2p, will often be downloaded by people who have no idea what the game is about and how it's played. These people do not intend to read up on it and do proper research because, after all, they're simply sampling the goods: it is no more involving to them than downloading a demo. Considering the noob-unfriendliness of 3.5 D&D, it's no wonder we have so many newbies running around with ridiculous builds and more questions than copper pieces to their name.

Best you can do is to simply be understanding. I started playing three days ago and I, myself, do my best to help my fellow noobs when they have questions that can be answered with basic knowledge of tabletop D&D.

vyedma
09-25-2009, 08:57 AM
Good to see someone have some insight to things, NOW start using the metric-system alrdy you n00bs.

Soz for OT just had to

I'm Canadian... we do use the metric system :-P

cappuccino
09-25-2009, 09:01 AM
I'm Canadian... we do use the metric system :-P

Shuuuusshhh....thats supposed to be our Canadian Secret!


All their supposed to know is that we are peace loving, free health care, gun controlling, mad hockey fans (who want our Winnipeg Jets back in Canada from Phoenix)!

:eek:

KoboldKiller
09-25-2009, 09:07 AM
Hyuh, hyuh, hello mah name is Jaid
And ahm a farmer and I`ve been growin
mary-jah-wana fer about twenty years and uhh
uhh, with Dr. Greenthumb`s `Sizzlean` screen
I don`t hafta point my shotgun
at them pesky porkers no more
Thanks Dr. Green, you`re tha ****

Or if you want the full monty: That´s where you have your head? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJNZWYtJuF8)

Or: total jackass (http://www.dgranthaynes.com/blogcfm/1/custom/bush_moron.jpg)


http://www.epicfail.com/images/darth-vader-epic-fail.jpg

Grushvak
09-25-2009, 11:13 AM
All their supposed to know is that we are peace loving, free health care, gun controlling, mad hockey fans (who want our Winnipeg Jets back in Canada from Phoenix)!

To hell with the Jets, I want the Nordiques back. Nevar forget!

Aerendil
09-25-2009, 11:28 AM
To hell with the Jets, I want the Nordiques back. Nevar forget!

Je me souviens? :p

I just want the old Hockey Night in Canada theme music back. That's all I ask.