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xhui
09-06-2009, 04:20 AM
hello, about the great sword, great axe and falchion. what are their different?
since great sword have most damage, won't it be the best 2h wep?
i know dwarf use axe better, but what?
is there a race that use great sword better than other race? what about falchion?

Borror0
09-06-2009, 04:41 AM
Greataxe

Base damage: 1d12
Critical hit multiplier: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Critical_hit_multiplier) x3
Critical threat range: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Threat_range) 20

Greatsword

Base damage: 2d6
Critical hit multiplier: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Critical_hit_multiplier) x2
Critical threat range: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Threat_range) 19-20

Falchion

Base damage: 2d4
Critical hit multiplier: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Critical_hit_multiplier) x2
Critical threat range: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Threat_range) 18-20

Dwarves can get a +2 to damage with axes which means greataxes better than greatwords if the dwarf spends 6 APs on it and that elemental/alignment burst damage is not applied. If not dwarf, greatswords get a slightly higher base and benefit a little bit more from effects like seeker or bursts - therefore putting it before greataxes.

If you're a fighter with Kensai III, you'll do more damage with axes becaue of the bonus to critical threat range that this enhancements gets which favors greataxes due to their bigger critical hit multiplier.

Falchion is the winner over the two, though. While the base damage is lower, it gets a lot of damage from critical hits and, over time, deals more damage than the other two. This may change in some fights if the creature is immune to or has a strong protection against critical hits, however.

onethreeone
09-06-2009, 09:38 AM
Greataxe

Base damage: 1d12
Critical hit multiplier: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Critical_hit_multiplier) x3
Critical threat range: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Threat_range) 20

Greatsword

Base damage: 2d6
Critical hit multiplier: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Critical_hit_multiplier) x2
Critical threat range: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Threat_range) 19-20

Falchion

Base damage: 2d4
Critical hit multiplier: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Critical_hit_multiplier) x2
Critical threat range: (http://ddowiki.com/page/Threat_range) 18-20

Dwarves can get a +2 to damage with axes which means greataxes better than greatwords if the dwarf spends 6 APs on it and that elemental/alignment burst damage is not applied. If not dwarf, greatswords get a slightly higher base and benefit a little bit more from effects like seeker or bursts - therefore putting it before greataxes.

If you're a fighter with Kensai III, you'll do more damage with axes becaue of the bonus to critical threat range that this enhancements gets which favors greataxes due to their bigger critical hit multiplier.

Falchion is the winner over the two, though. While the base damage is lower, it gets a lot of damage from critical hits and, over time, deals more damage than the other two. This may change in some fights if the creature is immune to or has a strong protection against critical hits, however.

Did you type numbers wrong or am I just oblivious to DDO mechanics? Why would the Falchion deal more (or harder) crits when it has the same multiplier as the greatsword and less than the greataxe? Is there some hidden swing speed multiplier that I'm missing?

honkuimushi
09-06-2009, 09:55 AM
Did you type numbers wrong or am I just oblivious to DDO mechanics? Why would the Falchion deal more (or harder) crits when it has the same multiplier as the greatsword and less than the greataxe? Is there some hidden swing speed multiplier that I'm missing?

It crits more often. Without Improved Critical, a Greataxe crits about 5% of the time, a Greatsword 10% of the time, and a Falchion 15% of the time. The greataxe does multiply damage by 3 instead of times 2 with a falchion, but the falchion crits 3 times as often. With IC, double those, so 10, 20, and 30% of the time. The extra 5% chance that Kensai III gives actually reduces the falchions advantage to 35% to 15%, but it's still nothing to sneeze at.

PSU93
09-06-2009, 09:59 AM
Did you type numbers wrong or am I just oblivious to DDO mechanics? Why would the Falchion deal more (or harder) crits when it has the same multiplier as the greatsword and less than the greataxe? Is there some hidden swing speed multiplier that I'm missing?
It's the fact that the falchion crits 15% of the time vs. 10% for greatsword and 5% for greataxe. The Improved Critical feat doubles this range (30%). More critical hits leads to more total damage over time.

Borror0
09-06-2009, 04:40 PM
Did you type numbers wrong or am I just oblivious to DDO mechanics? Why would the Falchion deal more (or harder) crits when it has the same multiplier as the greatsword and less than the greataxe? Is there some hidden swing speed multiplier that I'm missing?
You missed the fact that it lands critical hits more often, because of a larger threat range. :)