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NiasTrams
11-04-2008, 09:27 AM
My cleric constantly asks others to reassign their unwanted loot to him, instead of coin donations; yet most players wont do it so I am proposing that when a player exits the instance, any unclaimed loot becomes available to anyone left in the instance.

If a person DCs while inside the instance their loot remains theirs until the character is dropped from the party or switches toons which causes the one that DCed to leave party.

Possibly even put in a pop up when a player closes/leaves a chest and their are still items in it that have their name on it, gives them the option to make those items unassigned so if someone wants what they don't, they can take it.

None of my characters are rich, let alone filthy rich, that they can afford to leave behind loot that they can carry out of a quest to sell.

If this idea sounds good to you please pipe in your opinion or approval.

Timjc86
11-04-2008, 09:29 AM
I would be in support of this. I vendor anything I can get my hands on like crazy. I even made a habit of picking up and turning in all collectibles I could find once upon a time, but that got to be a bit much. Regardless, it sometimes causes a twinge of regret to see a bunch of gems/wands/scrolls/tools/etc greyed out in a chest knowing it could be a few more gold sitting comfortably in my pocket.

Sometimes I will ask for people to reassign stuff to me, but that gets old for both parties very quickly.

adam1oftheround
11-04-2008, 09:43 AM
You now have 5 minutes to pick up your loot. If you do not pick up or reassign your loot inside of 5 minutes it becomes available to the rest of the party. Seems like grinders are even leaving their plat in Hound chests half the time. They look for named items then recall.

Uska
11-04-2008, 09:47 AM
Its sounds like a good idea but how would you do it fairly cant be the first one to grab it thats not fair how about randomly assigned to remaining people if there are more then one still there? and again assigned until there is noone left to assign it to

Bekki
11-04-2008, 10:29 AM
Its sounds like a good idea but how would you do it fairly cant be the first one to grab it thats not fair how about randomly assigned to remaining people if there are more then one still there? and again assigned until there is noone left to assign it to

I like this Idea...

Or it can be assigned to the Remaining players on a class basis,
and if more than one class can use the item then it defaults to
assigning it to random Players remaining in the dungeon with a
Notification to the remaining Players...

And a warning message to the departing player,

"You have treasure remaing in an "Open" chest / chests in this Dungeon,
Are sure you want to leave it?"

"If so it will be assigned to a random player on a class by class basis..."

That way all concerned will know, and and the
Departing Player gets a chance to go back for it...

If it is not too much of a coding night mare it can also
spawn a pop up screen that gives the payer a chance
deferr it to specific palyers...

That way no one gets left out.

In_Like_Flynn
11-04-2008, 10:36 AM
I can't get behind this. If it's my loot it's mine to do with, or not do with, as I please.

NiasTrams
11-05-2008, 11:00 AM
I can't get behind this. If it's my loot it's mine to do with, or not do with, as I please.

You're in a party of twelve, two of whom are clerics, you kill dozens of reavers, half dozen beholders, a giant hound and who knows what else and the clerics (only two, I know other clerics who won't do certain quests because it is too expensive, Hound and VOD come to mind) used a few dozen heal scrolls or a few major mnemonic enhancer pots to help the party and you would be content telling them that because you do not want all of your share of the loot that they cannot haul it out and use the money to keep well stocked for up coming quest?

DoctorWhofan
11-05-2008, 11:05 AM
I can't get behind this. If it's my loot it's mine to do with, or not do with, as I please.




You're in a party of twelve, two of whom are clerics, you kill dozens of reavers, half dozen beholders, a giant hound and who knows what else and the clerics (only two, I know other clerics who won't do certain quests because it is too expensive, Hound and VOD come to mind) used a few dozen heal scrolls or a few major mnemonic enhancer pots to help the party and you would be content telling them that because you do not want all of your share of the loot that they cannot haul it out and use the money to keep well stocked for up coming quest?


Then, of the person who the loot is assigned to should move it over to one of the clerics. As much as I play clerics and cry everytime I see that happen, I have to be with Flynn on this. It smells like someone can really take advantage of it.

NiasTrams
11-05-2008, 11:07 AM
Its sounds like a good idea but how would you do it fairly cant be the first one to grab it thats not fair how about randomly assigned to remaining people if there are more then one still there? and again assigned until there is noone left to assign it to

I think mose PUGs would put it up for roll if more than one person wanted it. My cleric would gladly let players who want to use an item have it before taking it to be vendored.

Dracolich
11-05-2008, 11:24 AM
What happens to the persons loot who locks up in quest after a chest opens. I was in a hound raid and I froze up for over 5 minutes I was staring at the chest with my loot but could not grab it. Does my loot then become communal property? I think not. Nope I am sorry.

The only way I would get behind this is "if" the people leave the quest after chest opening and drop group then their items are randomly re-rolled. I am sorry nobody gets access to somone elses loot until they no longer are in the group.

NiasTrams
11-05-2008, 11:41 AM
Then, of the person who the loot is assigned to should move it over to one of the clerics. As much as I play clerics and cry everytime I see that happen, I have to be with Flynn on this. It smells like someone can really take advantage of it.

My cleric is usually the last to leave a dungeon in hopes someone will reassign loot to him, and occassionally one or two people do, but it is rare; even more rare are coin donations after an intensive, expensive almost party wiped end fights. Almost non-existant are donations after a party wipe even if the clerics use dozens of scrolls and a few pots to try and keep the party alive.

It is your loot until you abandon it or destroy it to keep it from going into someone else's pack, if you are destroying loot nobody but you, the server and anyone you might tell would know.

Maybe implement one or all of three systems;

1. Upon closing a chest with items left in it a pop-up asks if the character wants to reassign the loot to another member of the party, if yes, then a dropdown list with large print names appears for the character to choose from(I'ld like to think it is because of the really small print that more characters aren't donating to clerics).

2. Character is looking at all the abandoned loot in the chest, right clicks an item that sends a pop-up to the owner asking if they can have it, if they select yes the server reassigns it to him. If the person left the dungeon and the server (not DCed and still in dungeon hypothetically), the server assumes a yes and reassigns the item.

3. If the person left the dungeon and the server (not DCed and still in dungeon hypothetically), the server unassigns the item and hopefully the players wanting the items abandoned will divide it with civility, which would be the majority.

Another, probably easier to try, possibility; see if increasing the font size of players in the current reassign list increases unwanted items being given to other players instead of being abandoned and left behind.

Dimicron
11-05-2008, 11:59 AM
It seems like a good idea at first, but there's possibilities for abuse. Maybe if the owner could check a box next to the item in the chest, one to allow it to be claimed by others one to lock it so it is unclaimable by all?

NiasTrams
11-05-2008, 12:06 PM
What happens to the persons loot who locks up in quest after a chest opens. I was in a hound raid and I froze up for over 5 minutes I was staring at the chest with my loot but could not grab it. Does my loot then become communal property? I think not. Nope I am sorry.

The only way I would get behind this is "if" the people leave the quest after chest opening and drop group then their items are randomly re-rolled. I am sorry nobody gets access to somone elses loot until they no longer are in the group.

I have DCed before getting to the last chest and had players wait for me to help me get the chest and have done so for others, most recently, a fellow adventurer was near the barrier in Reaver when it popped up and was pushed through when the air elementals came over. I stayed with him til he got to the chest, which was good, originally the GM moved his ghost over the barrier but he was recalled to his stone before he could reach the res shrine so the GM moved me to pick up his stone and then back to take him to the shrine.

And for the person who says, "It's my loot to abandon if I want!" In the real world, if you abandon a vehicle I could apply for an Abandoned Vehicle Title and become the rightful owner of that vehicle. Some people make their money pulling aluminum cans and other scrap metal out of peoples garbage cans. If you didn't want it and left it behind how would you keep others from getting it.

Get a shredder, shred documents you don't want others to get; people dig through city dumps as well as trash cans, and identity theft is the reason.

Bekki
11-05-2008, 12:11 PM
I admit at first I liked this Idea, but as I think on it...

It could really open up a "can of Worms..."

so I may have to respectfully withdrwal my initial support...

This could Really be a "Pandoras Box"

No Pun intended... :D

Kargon
11-05-2008, 12:16 PM
Kargon are against any solutimion that involve extrama pop up windows. If kargon abandomened it in the chest was probamally not worth kargon time to double click or reassign it, why would kargon want to get a bunch of messamages when kargon close the chest or somemabody else click the item?

only solutimion that make sense to kargon are if kargon leave group (not if kargon kicked, not if kargon disconnamect, not if kargon lag for 20 miniminutes, not if kargon exit the quemest but stay in group, not if kargon open and close the chest 150 times then wander off for an hour to othermer part of quemest) then the item get un-assigned and first come first serve can take from chest.

Reverand
11-05-2008, 12:17 PM
Personally, I would like to see "Party" as an option on the reassign drop down menu. Making it available to everyone in the party. Who ever clicks it first gets it.

Though I think if some one specific wanted it, they would speak up and get assigned to it.

EazyWeazy
11-05-2008, 12:24 PM
/not signed

I leave loot in the shroud all the time and go back for it after we finish. I don't do this with anything valuable, but I don't want it defaulting to someone else.

Rog
11-05-2008, 07:10 PM
could put in bio I COLLECT ALL UNWANTED LOOT I AM A POOR CLERIC AND HEALING YOU GUYS BREAK ME SO BE KIND GIVE THAT SCROLL/WAND AND ANYTHING ELSE YOU DONT WANT. I always read the bio some would some would not but i think you like the results and your mailbox might start to get reall full real fast.
lunarsong

faldordadink
11-05-2008, 07:29 PM
Personally, I would like to see "Party" as an option on the reassign drop down menu. Making it available to everyone in the party. Who ever clicks it first gets it.

Though I think if some one specific wanted it, they would speak up and get assigned to it.

wow, so simple yet so easy

/big time signed :)

Clay
11-05-2008, 07:44 PM
If i can't be bothered to double click on it to loot it... how could I be bothered to click open the pop up menu of party members and assign it over? Over and Over? ;)

I would rather a check box in the gameplay options: Loot remaining in chest gets assigned to party after exiting adventure. Party being anyone in the party remaining in the dungeon

Clay
11-05-2008, 07:45 PM
/not signed

I leave loot in the shroud all the time and go back for it after we finish. I don't do this with anything valuable, but I don't want it defaulting to someone else.

You don't leave the dungeon, though, do you? You are still in the instance, so not applicable in your example.

Uska
11-05-2008, 08:07 PM
I think mose PUGs would put it up for roll if more than one person wanted it. My cleric would gladly let players who want to use an item have it before taking it to be vendored.

yes I would rather see someone use something then it be vendored

Uska
11-05-2008, 08:09 PM
What happens to the persons loot who locks up in quest after a chest opens. I was in a hound raid and I froze up for over 5 minutes I was staring at the chest with my loot but could not grab it. Does my loot then become communal property? I think not. Nope I am sorry.

The only way I would get behind this is "if" the people leave the quest after chest opening and drop group then their items are randomly re-rolled. I am sorry nobody gets access to somone elses loot until they no longer are in the group.


If you were still in the instance even lagging it should yours we were saying if you left the dungeon after quest completion then 5 min later it would be up for grabs, on a lot of stuff people wouldnt want to wait those 5 min anyways.

Kistilan
11-05-2008, 09:14 PM
Use the "open to all" assignment after timer of 5 minutes.

However, make it User-Defined.

Toggles:

Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all items.
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all non-binding items.
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all weapons.
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all armors.
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all collectibles.
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all monetary units.
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all scrolls, wands & potions.

If there's any other major catergories I missed, there ya go.

If that's too much coding (because I believe a definition code might need to be placed on all generated loots) simply change it to the following as these parameters are encoded into all items:

Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all binding items.
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all items valued 72,000gp +
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all items valued 32,000gp +
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all items valued 9,000 gp+
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all items valued 3,000 gp+
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all items valued 1,000gp+
Assign "Open Loot" after 5 minutes to all items valued 200gp+

This coding would allow a Free For All in 5 minutes to be determined by the player, not the game. That way whoever wants to be a greedy sob can do so, while those that don't care and are philanthropic in nature can hook up their party in case they forget to assign the loot or disconnect, etc.

A Random Assignment option could be allotted as well.
And a Guild-Only assignment could possibly be a feature too. This would simply cross-reference with those who have the same guild name over their head. Perhaps allow the timer to be much less on this as in 1 minute, etc.

Just my thoughts, but I would love to see loot start being a little less wasted. I had to ask a friend for a 72,000 gp item a few days ago that had decent qualities on the weapon too because they ran off leaving it there. I asked why they did that & they said they didn't want it, but had no qualms about assigning it to me right when I asked.

Pedaru
11-05-2008, 11:58 PM
I absolutely love this idea! I use a halfling rogue who has a 6 STR. I can not lift that much, so I do leave alot of heavy armors and weaponry in the chests. Hell lately, I've been leaving scepters +1 and +2. Not because I can not sell them in the auction houses, but because I'm about 10 lbs away from being burdened, and I know I have to assist in a fight against a red named soon. being burdened hurts me a lot. Plus, I don't know many of the dungeons and quests. (Plus I suck at directions.) So I HAVE to travel with the group, and when they grab loot and run, I HAVE to run with them, so I didn't have time to move treasure to someone else who needs it... who is slower then me. hah! (Sorry)

NiasTrams
11-06-2008, 02:38 AM
The three best ideas, in my opinion, that I have seen so far are (not necessarily in order of preference):

(A little modified) Make available for any party member as top of drop down list for reassigning.

Check box in the user interface, "After I leave quest allow all my abandoned loot to be available to anyone still inside the quest.

Check boxes next to items in chest: []Give Away []Save []Destroy*

*for those players who don't want the items they don't want to be used or sold by another

Voalkrynn2
11-06-2008, 02:58 AM
My cleric constantly asks others to reassign their unwanted loot to him, instead of coin donations; yet most players wont do it so I am proposing that when a player exits the instance, any unclaimed loot becomes available to anyone left in the instance.

If a person DCs while inside the instance their loot remains theirs until the character is dropped from the party or switches toons which causes the one that DCed to leave party.

Possibly even put in a pop up when a player closes/leaves a chest and their are still items in it that have their name on it, gives them the option to make those items unassigned so if someone wants what they don't, they can take it.

None of my characters are rich, let alone filthy rich, that they can afford to leave behind loot that they can carry out of a quest to sell.

If this idea sounds good to you please pipe in your opinion or approval.

Here here! My thoughts on how it might work:
I. Quest ends
II. Loot awardee leaves the quest a timer on items in the chest starts
III. 5 minutes lapse
IV. The computer autorolls for the remaining people and assigns loot
V. If a winner leaves repeat step 2 through 5 until all party members leave or chest empties whichever occurs 1st.

I know Roman numerals they hurt your brain. :-)

Dracolich
11-06-2008, 08:55 AM
If you were still in the instance even lagging it should yours we were saying if you left the dungeon after quest completion then 5 min later it would be up for grabs, on a lot of stuff people wouldnt want to wait those 5 min anyways.


Well I ran the hound and lagged at the chest, I pulled a "Ring of Thelis" not sure if I spelled it right. I was lagging bad at the chest and people were rolling on my loot while I was lagged. Even before I put it up for a roll. Dont tell me people wont wait 5 minutes for a piece of raid loot(although you only said stuff not raid loot). I heard one guy as soon as the chest opened and I peeked in say "Oh a Ring of Thelis" I am going to roll on that one along with 3 other people. It is ravenous ignorance like that that makes me glad I lagged and let them sweat a bit. I should have just left it in the chest and left the group and let them look at it.

Now you can see why I dont like sharing my loot. I loved sharing it before till I got more greedy people then people that were gracious. I wont let anyone including Turbine dictate were the stuff that has my name on it goes, I am sorry. If that makes me an a$$ then so be it.

Kistilan
11-06-2008, 12:24 PM
Now you can see why I dont like sharing my loot. I loved sharing it before till I got more greedy people then people that were gracious. I wont let anyone including Turbine dictate were the stuff that has my name on it goes, I am sorry. If that makes me an a$$ then so be it.

That's why we're offer'n up a suggestion for check boxes to control this function on the user side. You can then be as generous or stingy as you like at any point.

And I agree, they shouldn't say they're roll'n on the loot until you say, "It's up for a roll." I totally agree there. It's yours first, unless you entered the group with a predetermined method that was agreed upon by all party/raid members.

NiasTrams
11-06-2008, 07:48 PM
I don't want to take away a players right to do what they want with thier loot, I just want to make it easier for them to give it away if they choose to. A few nights ago I had a player tell me he was sorry, he couldn't find my name in the small list currently available for reassigning items and he was anxious to keep moving along in the quest instead of trying to read the "fine print".

Voalkrynn2
11-13-2008, 04:36 AM
Just be a team player and give that which is not worth your time to go vendor to the clerics. Then the clerics are quiet, happy, and so is everyone else as they can no longer say it's an expensive class or everyone should pay me and give me a stack of scrolls.

It's a team effort let's be team players to the end.

Mrs. Manners is waiting at the end of the dungeon with cookies and milk for all the kiddes that play nice!

The big guy from Austin Powers that wanted to eat mini me (fat Bas!"ยง$) is sending a present that belongs in the sewers of stormreach to all the selfish kids that do not share their toys.............