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Bunker
06-09-2008, 11:20 PM
The new Breastplate of Destruction does not work with Ranged weapons.

Breastplate of Destruction - +5 Breastplate, Mithral, Protection +4, Destruction

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Armor/BreastplateofDestruction.jpg

The "destruction" property on the armor work with melee but not ranged attacks. Neither bows nor xbows.

Perphaps the armor needs a fix for all weapons.

stockwizard5
06-10-2008, 09:38 AM
/signed

Torilin
06-10-2008, 09:41 AM
Ha thats funny my Breastplate of Destruction does the same thing, pretty usless if a ranger or rog that range cant use this armor for destruction purposes IMO.

Yaga_Nub
06-10-2008, 09:43 AM
The new Breastplate of Destruction does not work with Ranged weapons.

Breastplate of Destruction - +5 Breastplate, Mithral, Protection +4, Destruction

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Armor/BreastplateofDestruction.jpg

The "destruction" property on the armor work with melee but not ranged attacks. Neither bows nor xbows.

Perphaps the armor needs a fix for all weapons.

It SHOULDN'T work for ranged weapons. This armor isn't like the crippling mithral chain. It doesn't say anything about giving weapons the destruction property. This item has destruction on it and so it only goes off when you get hit.

Think of it this way. A bow of destruction works because the bow "imbues" the arrow with the destruction property. The arrow hits the target and it gets destructed.

A melee weapon has the property and it works when it hits the mob.

This armor only works when you've been hit by a melee weapons because the "power" gets immediately transfered back to the mob that is hitting you (or think of it like this - you are beating on the mob using your body :)).

The armor's "power" can't destruct a ranged mob because there is nothing physical to transmit back from the arrow. If the mobs shot arrows with string attached to them then I would say there is some conductive material for the power to flow to the ranged mobs.

I'm sure that's not as clear as I think it is but hopefully you'll get the idea.

Missing_Minds
06-10-2008, 09:45 AM
I'm sure that's not as clear as I think it is but hopefully you'll get the idea.

I do get it. However, most are going to take it as a "lets make fun of ranged people again!!!" Or "They like the short stick after all."

Makes me sad really.. I was hoping it would work for range.

juniorpfactors
06-10-2008, 09:49 AM
thats what i brought up last night when the items dropped...that you destruct them when they hit you...so good for those bad ac builds lol....my barbarian would qualify.........but it looks so bad I would have to stone skin myself all the time

but the description reads that it gives that power to your weapons so I agree with the BUNK fix it

jrp

Torilin
06-10-2008, 09:50 AM
It SHOULDN'T work for ranged weapons. This armor isn't like the crippling mithral chain. It doesn't say anything about giving weapons the destruction property. This item has destruction on it and so it only goes off when you get hit.

Think of it this way. A bow of destruction works because the bow "imbues" the arrow with the destruction property. The arrow hits the target and it gets destructed.

A melee weapon has the property and it works when it hits the mob.

This armor only works when you've been hit by a melee weapons because the "power" gets immediately transfered back to the mob that is hitting you (or think of it like this - you are beating on the mob using your body :)).

The armor's "power" can't destruct a ranged mob because there is nothing physical to transmit back from the arrow. If the mobs shot arrows with string attached to them then I would say there is some conductive material for the power to flow to the ranged mobs.

I'm sure that's not as clear as I think it is but hopefully you'll get the idea.


this is not correct, while testing the armor last night after getting it i tried range nothing, then I tried melee, I did not get hit but I hit the target and the target was destructed.

In the description of the armor it says "when struck by" and "this weapon", says nothing about you needing to get hit. "this weapon" would indicate any weapon not just melee.

Bunker
06-10-2008, 10:04 AM
It SHOULDN'T work for ranged weapons. This armor isn't like the crippling mithral chain. It doesn't say anything about giving weapons the destruction property. This item has destruction on it and so it only goes off when you get hit.

Think of it this way. A bow of destruction works because the bow "imbues" the arrow with the destruction property. The arrow hits the target and it gets destructed.

A melee weapon has the property and it works when it hits the mob.

This armor only works when you've been hit by a melee weapons because the "power" gets immediately transfered back to the mob that is hitting you (or think of it like this - you are beating on the mob using your body :)).

The armor's "power" can't destruct a ranged mob because there is nothing physical to transmit back from the arrow. If the mobs shot arrows with string attached to them then I would say there is some conductive material for the power to flow to the ranged mobs.

I'm sure that's not as clear as I think it is but hopefully you'll get the idea.

Read the description and come back with a new arguement.

Zaodon
06-10-2008, 10:16 AM
/signed

Fix for ranged weapons please.

Turial
06-10-2008, 11:45 AM
/signed

Fix ranged weapons.

GlassCannon
06-10-2008, 06:20 PM
It SHOULDN'T work for ranged weapons. This armor isn't like the crippling mithral chain. It doesn't say anything about giving weapons the destruction property. This item has destruction on it and so it only goes off when you get hit.

Think of it this way. A bow of destruction works because the bow "imbues" the arrow with the destruction property. The arrow hits the target and it gets destructed.

A melee weapon has the property and it works when it hits the mob.

This armor only works when you've been hit by a melee weapons because the "power" gets immediately transfered back to the mob that is hitting you (or think of it like this - you are beating on the mob using your body :)).

The armor's "power" can't destruct a ranged mob because there is nothing physical to transmit back from the arrow. If the mobs shot arrows with string attached to them then I would say there is some conductive material for the power to flow to the ranged mobs.

I'm sure that's not as clear as I think it is but hopefully you'll get the idea.

(Combat): You roll a 1. You miss!

The wearer of the armor attempts to make an attack with a weapon. In this case, the Arrow is the weapon, or the Bolt is the weapon. In either case, the wielder touches the arrow, imbuing it with the property that powerfully affects any weapon used, which happens to be on the Armor.

Confirmation from the weapon(I.e. COMMUNICATION from the weapon to the armor that says "hey I hit something, activate!") is in this case irrational and unnecessary.




Now imagine it with Improved Precise Shot hitting a line of monsters you just dragged around for 4 minutes.

Torilin
06-11-2008, 02:23 PM
Devs is this broken or not? The wording would indicate it is.

genericearthling
06-11-2008, 02:29 PM
then make fearsome work on ranged too!

Eladrin
06-11-2008, 02:31 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)

Torilin
06-11-2008, 02:33 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)

Thanks for the reply...now I know I can sell this armor.

Inspire
06-11-2008, 02:35 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)

Oooooh Tough Break...

Zaodon
06-11-2008, 02:37 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)

What a load of ... WoW.

Angelus_dead
06-11-2008, 02:43 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)
Could you also answer if the other raid items are working as intended? The descriptions are very screwy.

Are the Levik and Lorrik shield supposed to be non-mithral, despite having Mithral listed for hardness?
Is Chainshirt of Crippling supposed to apply to melee, ranged, and unarmed?
Are the skill bonuses on Tharne's Goggles supposed to be 13, or 15?
Are the set bonuses for Lorrik's Champion and Glacial Assault really supposed to be only 20% spell boosts, and not 30% or 40%?
Is there really no docent?

gfunk
06-11-2008, 02:45 PM
I do get it. However, most are going to take it as a "lets make fun of ranged people again!!!" Or "They like the short stick after all."

Makes me sad really.. I was hoping it would work for range.

slightly off topic, but i really saw the value of ranging again yesterday when i was in the subterrane on route to the hound and we got to the last room before the quest entrance (the one with all the reavers and beholders). Me and another ranger in the party cut down the mobs on two sides with multishot/improved precise shot before they made it to any of the party members.... people were like "hey... where are the beholders and flensers??...dead)

By contrast, i was in there on an earlier run without another ranger, and we almost wiped when someone pulled too many sides at once...

Lorien_the_First_One
06-11-2008, 02:48 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)


Thanks for the quick answer!

Now a followup...why?

If the enchanted armor that I'm wearing on my body transfers to the sword in my hand, why not to the hand itself?

I can see a bit better reason for it not to transfer to the ranged weapons, but it still woudl be nice if it could work for them. (the +2 hit bonsues work for ranged items right?)

Angelus_dead
06-11-2008, 02:58 PM
If the enchanted armor that I'm wearing on my body transfers to the sword in my hand, why not to the hand itself?
That's an interesting question, but fairly irrelevant, because monks can't really use a breastplate.

dragnmoon
06-11-2008, 02:59 PM
That's an interesting question, but fairly irrelevant, because monks can't really use a breastplate.


Sure they can.... But would they want to?....;)

Turial
06-11-2008, 03:09 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)

My question is why only melee?

Luthen
06-11-2008, 03:32 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)

Just curious... aren't Handwraps considered melee weapons? Don't we sell them to the melee weapon vendors? And woudn't fists be considered "melee"?

Spisey
06-11-2008, 03:44 PM
My question is why only melee?

Because a ranged character shouldn't even be getting hit if they know how to kite. :p

Now my barb on the other hand....

...in a sense it help out the rangers when a melee in the group when a low ac fighter / barb uses this armor. A ranger should have a high enough ac that is would go to waste anyway.

juniorpfactors
06-11-2008, 04:05 PM
mine will be sold to the nearest vendor

junk for a ranged toon

JTsays
06-11-2008, 04:06 PM
If the enchanted armor that I'm wearing on my body transfers to the sword in my hand, why not to the hand itself?



ya, I'd like to know since I punch out slimes often.

Turial
06-11-2008, 05:32 PM
According to the devs you dont have to be hit for it to work. It applies the distruction suffix to your melee weapon.
Because a ranged character shouldn't even be getting hit if they know how to kite. :p

Now my barb on the other hand....

...in a sense it help out the rangers when a melee in the group when a low ac fighter / barb uses this armor. A ranger should have a high enough ac that is would go to waste anyway.

Spisey
06-11-2008, 05:35 PM
Ahh I get the picture now. Totally was thinking along the line of cloak of curses or guard items. I guess I like it either way....

Twerpp
06-11-2008, 05:40 PM
Honestly guys..I know it makes sense for it to work with ranged since its light armor...but even in melee this is a highly powered set of armor. Imagine destructing an entire room with your best mobslaying dps or instakill bow and manyshot...tasty as hell and I would have LOVED to see it, but wow, overpowered as a mutherfreeker :(

Sides, I know plenty of rangers who will be layin the smack down while dual wielding and the fastest possible attack rate in the game...so you will still enjoy it ;)

Vallin
06-11-2008, 05:42 PM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this. (And no longer refer to the breastplate as "a weapon".)

You know Eladrin - I never complain - but this is really unfortunate. My ranger got the Crippling Chain, and he is probably 80% ranged ranger. I would not have taken this item if this point was clarified in the description.

Vallin

Bunker
06-11-2008, 05:43 PM
mine will be sold to the nearest vendor

junk for a ranged toon

Im with you Jr. Aside from the fact that the response does not help me in-game, the timeliness of the response was appreciated.

Mine is now to be banked for a small period but looks like it will be sold soon after.

And for all those that were on the Raid when myself and 1 other member of the group, both of which are Ranged characters, who pulled the breastplates, obviously we would not have knowing that it did not worked for ranged weapons. But I do say this:

Tough titty said the kitty,
but the milk is still good.:D

We will get your loot next run.

Bunker
06-11-2008, 05:44 PM
You know Eladrin - I never complain - but this is really unfortunate. My ranger got the Crippling Chain, and he is probably 80% ranged ranger. I would not have taken this item if this point was clarified in the description.

Vallin

Hey Vallin, I along with some other feel the same way you do. Unfortunate for the group where we pulled our loot, but any player would have done the same mistake not knowing the actual results thru testing. I feel ya mate.

Angelus_dead
07-02-2008, 11:17 AM
The breastplate is intended to grant the Destruction on-hit effect to wielded melee weapons, it will not function with either ranged weapons or unarmed combat (including handwraps). The description will be updated to clarify this.
Patch 7.1 changed the description, but still doesn't mention the melee-only limitation.

Elvejon
07-02-2008, 11:20 AM
wouldnt the destruction part imue the bow and then imbue the arrow with that the armor imbued to the bow?

Or am i wrong?

Pree
07-02-2008, 11:32 AM
At least you're not a Warforge cause they got screwed with the new raid loot. Cool armors for everyone....except the robot second citizens. Oh well guess we can keep them happy with the one good Cursed Docent...they like being hated. :)

Angelus_dead
07-02-2008, 12:06 PM
wouldnt the destruction part imue the bow and then imbue the arrow with that the armor imbued to the bow?
According to the text, that's what would happen. That would also happen according to the standard D&D rules for magic weapons.

However, that's not what this breastplate does in DDO. It only works on melee, and the text incorrectly doesn't reflect that fact.

Turial
07-02-2008, 01:26 PM
It still escapes me why this item only works with melee, other then the whole "cause the devs only want it too." Makes little to no sense, its not like distruction or crippling on a normal ranged weapon would all the sudden make ranged combat better then melee, when melee can get the same effect.

Twerpp
07-02-2008, 01:36 PM
It still escapes me why this item only works with melee, other then the whole "cause the devs only want it too." Makes little to no sense, its not like distruction or crippling on a normal ranged weapon would all the sudden make ranged combat better then melee, when melee can get the same effect.

Yeah I dont get that either. In terms of teamwork oriented rangers mass flagging/debuffing targets it would be VERY powerful, but not OVER-powered at all. And not more powerful than a melee using the same thing...it makes a +1 WoP rapier essentially a +5 to-hit weapon... why not a bow??? I mean besides the 20 seconds of manyshot, in this example the melee with this armor effect is WAY more powerful. The ranger love lately has been relegated to a TON of melee ranger love, and not much at all for the traditional elven bowman ranger type. Kinda makes me sad Legolas.