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Adanedhel
06-09-2008, 07:02 PM
VAST and MYSTERIOUS?

Which if I remember correctly was hardly vast and not terribly mysterious....

Can someone explain to me how "Top Secret" projects are going to help you sell this game? Unless of course you have figured out that we will no longer buy your hints of greatness to come (with good reason I think) and figure you would try it out on an unsuspecting public...

Mhykke
06-09-2008, 07:05 PM
I don't think they meant top secret as never being revealed.

I think they simply meant they aren't going to release updates weekly, so the PR department can control the flow of info. to the press, and hopefully have some kind of plan to continue to draw interest in the game. It's not that they simply aren't going to release the info. It's just they aren't going to do it in the WDAs.

I don't know if it's a good idea or not. Hopefully it works.

moorewr
06-09-2008, 08:16 PM
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Just had to be the first to say it. :)

branmakmuffin
06-09-2008, 08:52 PM
I thought you were going to say "Is Top Secret anything like Pop Secret?"

Adanedhel
06-09-2008, 09:05 PM
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Just had to be the first to say it. :)

I see the smiley...but I still have to clarify that I am not crying the end of the world (game or otherwise). If anyone is being melodramatic it is Turbine with the "Top Secret" stuff.

It is talk like that which has me doubting Turbine, maybe if they had made realistic promises and stuck to them we would be better off. I guess on the heels of "Vast and Mysterious" I just didn't need "Top Secret"; seems like they are building up nothing again (even though I enjoyed the Devil Assault/Tent destruction stuff - it was just underwhelming after the buildup).

moorewr
06-09-2008, 09:36 PM
I see the smiley...but I still have to clarify that I am not crying the end of the world (game or otherwise). If anyone is being melodramatic it is Turbine with the "Top Secret" stuff.

It is talk like that which has me doubting Turbine, maybe if they had made realistic promises and stuck to them we would be better off. I guess on the heels of "Vast and Mysterious" I just didn't need "Top Secret"; seems like they are building up nothing again (even though I enjoyed the Devil Assault/Tent destruction stuff - it was just underwhelming after the buildup).

I didn't mean to imply you were - just felt like the thread would have doom in it, so I wanted to be the one who did it.

I agree completely with your views. I'm always amazed how bad Turbine has been at the expectations management business, and this seems like a step backwards.

Dimicron
06-09-2008, 09:40 PM
I don't think they meant top secret as never being revealed.

I think they simply meant they aren't going to release updates weekly, so the PR department can control the flow of info. to the press, and hopefully have some kind of plan to continue to draw interest in the game. It's not that they simply aren't going to release the info. It's just they aren't going to do it in the WDAs.

I don't know if it's a good idea or not. Hopefully it works.

I wonder if they will hire the former Iraqi Information Minister? That could make the wait for updates worthwhile :)

Borror0
06-09-2008, 09:48 PM
I think they simply meant they aren't going to release updates weekly, so the PR department can control the flow of info. to the press, and hopefully have some kind of plan to continue to draw interest in the game. It's not that they simply aren't going to release the info. It's just they aren't going to do it in the WDAs.

I would WDAs be a nuisance to that, is what I fail to understand.

It doesn't need to be exclusive, because people that don't know of the game won't read our WDAs.;) And, I don't see how knowing that they will fix whatever annoying bug be any interesting for an interview. If we learn from interviews from now on, let's just hope Kate Pai won't speak too often... otherwise we'll have bad surprises when we log on Module 8 because half of what we werre told... wasn't so.

Riddikulus
06-09-2008, 09:51 PM
I don't think they meant top secret as never being revealed.

I think they simply meant they aren't going to release updates weekly, so the PR department can control the flow of info. to the press, and hopefully have some kind of plan to continue to draw interest in the game. It's not that they simply aren't going to release the info. It's just they aren't going to do it in the WDAs.

I don't know if it's a good idea or not. Hopefully it works.
Turbine has a PR department? rofl.


I wonder if they will hire the former Iraqi Information Minister? That could make the wait for updates worthwhile :)
There you go.... I loved that guy. :D

Of course I'd be afraid that DDO would go the way of Iraq and be.... um.... taken over by Blizzard. Or maybe that would be a good thing. :p

Spell
06-09-2008, 10:04 PM
All I can say is "Wow".
If they expect droves of people to sign up just because they put exclusive content on some other companies website, they really need to head back to marketing school.
"I mean, 'wow'. Really?! Wow!"

B_Notorious
06-09-2008, 10:12 PM
Does Top Secret = Xbox port?

Riddikulus
06-09-2008, 10:19 PM
Does Top Secret = Xbox port?
WoW had a nice april fools joke... screenshots of WoW ported to the Atari 2600.

They've also done some nice marketing... Toyota commercial, Office Space, Shatner and Mr.T... all very memorable. It would be nice if DDO could even do half as well.

Edit: Links:

Toyota: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OMQiFS4DQ
Office Space: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1QB89CCz4
Shatner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Fs7IpNVCo
Mr T: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esLlxObAD_Y

and even Mini-Me :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FET09MYis_g
and Coke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDfzdZqGoRU

DeadlyGazebo
06-10-2008, 08:45 AM
Can someone explain to me how "Top Secret" projects are going to help you sell this game?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

arcticwolf666
06-10-2008, 08:49 AM
I wonder if they will hire the former Iraqi Information Minister? That could make the wait for updates worthwhile :)


Ah!! Baghdad Bob, the minister of misinformation!! hehe. Wow, the similarities ;) jk

Kraak
06-10-2008, 08:54 AM
VAST and MYSTERIOUS?

Which if I remember correctly was hardly vast and not terribly mysterious....

Can someone explain to me how "Top Secret" projects are going to help you sell this game? Unless of course you have figured out that we will no longer buy your hints of greatness to come (with good reason I think) and figure you would try it out on an unsuspecting public...

They're planning on revamping their QA program. Its vast because of the extent of all the bugs and inter-related code. Its mysterious because well, you know why........


All I ask is that a modicum of effort is put into QA for cleaning up 7 and put into 8 - pre-release. Breaking old stuff, again. Not good. Bad juju. (hope that's simple enough).

Elsbet
06-10-2008, 08:59 AM
I would WDAs be a nuisance to that, is what I fail to understand.

It doesn't need to be exclusive, because people that don't know of the game won't read our WDAs.;) And, I don't see how knowing that they will fix whatever annoying bug be any interesting for an interview. If we learn from interviews from now on, let's just hope Kate Pai won't speak too often... otherwise we'll have bad surprises when we log on Module 8 because half of what we werre told... wasn't so.

From the perspective of a journalist, WDAs can be story killers. "New and exciting" features aren't new and exciting if the majority of the people who will be interested in them already know about them. WDAs make what could be lead stories at the top of the page a sidebar link you have to look for. I know a lot of the WDAs are mostly little technical updates, but what really good tidbits that are in there are story spoilers.

It will be far easier for the PR department to offer various gaming news sites exclusives and scoop-the-competition stories without the WDAs.

I'll still miss the WDAs though. :(

Borror0
06-10-2008, 09:02 AM
I know a lot of the WDAs are mostly little technical updates, but what really good tidbits that are in there are story spoilers.

Can you quote me a few? Not Release notes, WDAs.

DelScorcho
06-10-2008, 09:12 AM
I'm torn. It could mean that something really cool is coming down the pipeline. Or it could mean that they are out of ideas and don't want us to know for a few months. If it is the later, here is an idea for the new mod: more content. :D

Dimicron
06-10-2008, 09:16 AM
I'm torn. It could mean that something really cool is coming down the pipeline. Or it could mean that they are out of ideas and don't want us to know for a few months. If it is the later, here is an idea for the new mod: more content. :D


All the content I'd like to see in the next mod can be summed up in one word. Just one: "Druids".

RazorrX
06-10-2008, 09:18 AM
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

o.O

That was what my SEAL buddies used to tell me all the time. :)

arcticwolf666
06-10-2008, 09:19 AM
All the content I'd like to see in the next mod can be summed up in one word. Just one: "Druids".


Can I start this one...

uh hmm (clearing throat)....


Can we get an extra slot for the Druids :p

Elsbet
06-10-2008, 09:21 AM
Can you quote me a few? Not Release notes, WDAs.

New spells, the "way ofs," new feats, hints about new quests, explorer areas, etc. could all have been (if sold properly) good stories. They spent eons in WDAs. The vast majority of the market for stories on them already knew the details. It was no longer news and not worth spending a lot of time or bandwidth on. Getting reporters of any kind to cover something depends less on how revolutionary or exciting something is than it depends on them being the first to tell the world.

Steve Jobs is a master at that. Yeah, we all knew a new iPhone was coming, but he is very adept at keeping the details secret and teasing the press into thinking that no matter how mundane the chnges are, it is a huge transformation in the iGadget industry. He convinced the press that a metal cover is oh so much cooler than a plastic one when that is really a who-really-cares detail. Other than some improved email functions and a metal cover, what's the big difference in the iPhones? Not a whole heck of a lot, but it has been all over the news the last couple of days.

Yeah, we can all know a new mod is coming, but if the content is a big secret, the news sites will scramble for the info rather than wait for Kate Paiz to call them up and talk her way into a story. It doesn't matter if it isn't ground-breaking technology or spectacular new additions. If you get it first, it's big news.

Please don't kid yoruself about the media. It isn't about what is revolutionary, important or valuable. It's about what is news--what they can tell the world that no one else knows. As long as they are first, they win.

Missing_Minds
06-10-2008, 09:25 AM
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

More than the NPCs already do? :)

Seriously... could you talk to Kate about the possibility of monthly bug fixes as we are losing some joy of Mondays we normally looked forward to.

Josh
06-10-2008, 09:42 AM
VAST and MYSTERIOUS?

Which if I remember correctly was hardly vast and not terribly mysterious....

Can someone explain to me how "Top Secret" projects are going to help you sell this game? Unless of course you have figured out that we will no longer buy your hints of greatness to come (with good reason I think) and figure you would try it out on an unsuspecting public...


Two year anniversary "event"...

/FAIL

Josh
06-10-2008, 09:44 AM
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.


Lame attempts at humor when customers have serious issues with your policy that should be addressed post-haste?

/FAIL

Borror0
06-10-2008, 09:47 AM
New spells, the "way ofs," new feats [...] could all have been (if sold properly) good stories.

I get it for hints about new quests and explorer areas but not these ones... Elaborate.


Yeah, we can all know a new mod is coming, but if the content is a big secret, the news sites will scramble for the info rather than wait for Kate Paiz to call them up and talk her way into a story. It doesn't matter if it isn't ground-breaking technology or spectacular new additions. If you get it first, it's big news.

Please don't kid yoruself about the media. It isn't about what is revolutionary, important or valuable. It's about what is news--what they can tell the world that no one else knows. As long as they are first, they win.

The content for those websites is the quest, omnsters, new classes, etc. They are not going to go in technical details. The closest to techincal they can get is the uber D&D iconic spells that Turbine would have to brag about. Those are are simpyl eye candy, or totally awesome in complexity. Other than that, I don't think that learning about a new enhancement line for elves will move the masses.

And you know what, that's what WDAs are all about.

Elsbet
06-10-2008, 10:09 AM
I get it for hints about new quests and explorer areas but not these ones... Elaborate.

When the "way of" lines came out, they were a relatively big change to the rogue enhancement line. With the right spin and a bit of teasing, they easily could have been a story alone. "Want to build the ultimate assassin? The ultimate burglar? The ultimate trap artist? DDO releases new enhancements for rogues"

That's just my starting press release headline. Give me an hour or two with a designer/developer and Kate Paiz, a few screen shots and a few hours to write/edit and I could give you 15-20 column inches on the "way of" enhancements easy.

Possible headline (without knowing anything else about it) on elven enhancements: "Legolas has nothing on these elves."

I've been a reporter, editor, done PR for non-profits and politicians. I can make mud exciting with the right mix of quotes and pictures. It's all about the spin.

Borror0
06-10-2008, 10:11 AM
I've been a reporter, editor, done PR for non-profits and politicians. I can make mud exciting with the right mix of quotes and pictures. It's all about the spin.

Ok, now you think anyone at TenTonHammer, Massively, or mmorpg.com really has half of the talent to do that?

Aodh
06-10-2008, 10:52 AM
I'm torn. It could mean that something really cool is coming down the pipeline. Or it could mean that they are out of ideas and don't want us to know for a few months. If it is the later, here is an idea for the new mod: more content. :D

I'm kinda underwhelmed with mod7, so I decided to just cancel my sub and see what happens when mod8 comes out. After the long slow decline of the mod quality, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore. If mod8 is really as cool as they're hyping it, I'll be back. If it's just more lies to keep us subscribed, I'm not coming back.

Borror0
06-10-2008, 10:54 AM
I'm kinda underwhelmed with mod7.

To me, Module 7 is great!! Just too little quests to run... we'll get bored soon.

Aodh
06-10-2008, 11:00 AM
To me, Module 7 is great!! Just too little quests to run... we'll get bored soon.

Yeah, what little there is, is pretty cool, but I can't see griding 2 raids for all eternity hoping that something interesting will come along. The explorer area is pretty much pointless if you're capped. Griding for some uber weapon is all that's left, but really what's the point of that, if there's so little high end content to use it in?

Running the same old lowbie quests with a monk dosen't really appeal to me either.

Elsbet
06-10-2008, 11:10 AM
Ok, now you think anyone at TenTonHammer, Massively, or mmorpg.com really has half of the talent to do that?

I don't read them enough to say yes or no. I periodically follow links from here, but that's it.

Borror0
06-10-2008, 11:14 AM
I don't read them enough to say yes or no. I periodically follow links from here, but that's it.

Let me grab you one, and you'll enjoy. :)

Borror0
06-10-2008, 11:17 AM
Let me grab you one, and you'll enjoy. :)

Took less time than I thought it'd take. I've found it, here (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?LOADFEATURE=1894&BHCP=1&GAMEID=163&SETVIEW=features&PAGE=1&bhcp=1).

Love the part where monk are in Module 8.:D

Elsbet
06-10-2008, 11:23 AM
Took less time than I thought it'd take. I've found it, here (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?LOADFEATURE=1894&BHCP=1&GAMEID=163&SETVIEW=features&PAGE=1&bhcp=1).

Love the part where monk are in Module 8.:D

Oopsie. LOL

Okay, not the most exciting article...

Borror0
06-10-2008, 11:36 AM
Okay, not the most exciting article...

A few others, picked at random this time:

http://www.massively.com/2007/11/06/ddo-team-announces-more-updates-for-module-6/

http://www.massively.com/2008/03/31/massively-interviews-kate-paiz-of-dungeons-and-dragons-online/

http://www.massively.com/2008/05/27/danddo-module-7-the-monk/

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/15348

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/29084 - Here they have a video, but no article... wouldn't it be bright to make an article out of it? No?

There is not much to be found on mmorpg.com though.

ArkoHighStar
06-10-2008, 11:44 AM
A few others, picked at random this time:

http://www.massively.com/2007/11/06/ddo-team-announces-more-updates-for-module-6/

http://www.massively.com/2008/03/31/massively-interviews-kate-paiz-of-dungeons-and-dragons-online/

http://www.massively.com/2008/05/27/danddo-module-7-the-monk/

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/15348

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/29084 - Here they have a video, but no article... wouldn't it be bright to make an article out of it? No?

There is not much to be found on mmorpg.com though.


well looks like the rumor mill has already started,MAssively, Joystiq and TentonHammer are reporting a rumor that DDO is going to be ported to consoles

http://www.massively.com/2008/06/10/rumor-dungeons-and-dragons-online-coming-to-consoles/

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/35296

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/10/rumor-turbine-to-bring-dungeons-and-dragons-online-to-consoles/

GreenGurgler
06-10-2008, 11:48 AM
From the perspective of a journalist, WDAs can be story killers. "New and exciting" features aren't new and exciting if the majority of the people who will be interested in them already know about them. WDAs make what could be lead stories at the top of the page a sidebar link you have to look for.(

Yeah, except the people who want to know about whats new and exciting in DDO are the people already playing DDO.

I dont think their are too many non DDO mmo players out there who are just watching DDO news thinking "Even though the game has been out for 2-1/2 years, If there were only 5 new quests and bug fixes, Id try DDO"

I think many non DDO players either dont know about game, dont care about game, tried game and didnt like it or tried it and got bored with it so its going to take more tha na 'teasser' story to generate hype. Unless they are teasing about something bigger.

I am sure thats not what their after though. I would think they are trying to get new players to DDO but its going to take ALOT more than just minor updates and some new quests for that to happen. Good or Bad, AoC is bragging 1 million units shipped as of this week (I know shipped isnt sold, but by all accounts their sales numbers are extremely high). So for DDO to really generate interest outside of the core players (and even trying to re-interest retired players), its going to take something BIG. Big like a paid expansion not just 1 new class, 5 new quest, tweaks and fixes (that may be years old already).

Yes, a good marketing dept can weave bull$h|t into Egyption cotton, but after the new users find out its bull not cotton, they are gonna be pi$$ed and leave, not stick around. People dont like being deceived. So either they need something really really big to draw significant numbers of new players/payers or they are just going to be blowing smoke.

Also, I agree that I am skeptical of what this means especially after Turbines other hypes; 'Vast and Mysterious', 'Monk Week', MOD 7 (really, 6+months and all we get are a few high level grinds and 1 class that some care about otherwise not much there), etc...

My hope is that this means Turbine is planning a BIG paid expansion with ALOT to offer (lots of new quests, new areas, new cities, new classes & races, new loot, system overhaul,more crafting, etc...) but my cynicism with Turbine has me fearing that even if this is so, it will be like 6-24 months from now, if ever. My biggest fear is that this is Turbines way of winding down a sinking game and that this means were on our death gasp (please no). Im not calling DOOOM, but merely stating my thoughts and concerns.

I think DDO has alot to offer and I love the game but Iv said to my friends before that I wish I wouldnt have started playing the game over 2 years ago becasue I have gotten so bored/burned out on the same stuff over and over again. The new content comes out and gets digested instantly because everyone is so desperate for something new. I wish I wouldnt have started playing the game until the last 12-6 months. Then I could enjoy what the game has to offer in a fresher way all at once. ( I have taken breaks along the way).

Borror0
06-10-2008, 11:48 AM
well looks like the rumor mill has already started,MAssively, Joystiq and TentonHammer are reporting a rumor that DDO is going to be ported to consoles

Saw that too.

dageth
06-10-2008, 11:55 AM
Ok, now you think anyone at TenTonHammer, Massively, or mmorpg.com really has half of the talent to do that?

From my experience as an active member of the marketing and corporate communications field...it doesn't matter who they have.

Reporters are people. Often, people are lazy. Most reporters do not have an intricate understanding of the impact of the 'news' they are reporting. If you gaurantee an exclusive, many reporters will ask just enough questions to be able to rehash the press release so that it appears as their own article - especially if its about a subject matter they are not personally familiar with and the press release is written well enough and has enough 'good' content.

So long as Turbine's marketing department is good, the reporters don't have to be.

Elsbet
06-10-2008, 11:56 AM
Saw that too.

I just hope if it is true, it doesn't take it off the PC. I don't have an xbox or a PS3 and have no intention of wasting my money on them.

GreenGurgler
06-10-2008, 12:06 PM
God yeah, Isaw that too:


The job postings never lie!

Turbine has just recently posted a job for a Senior Console Engineer who also has experience with MMOs. So while we can't be sure it's Dungeons and Dragons going there, they're taking something to the console.

While far from conclusive, together this information makes a convincing argument for Turbine prepping its pen-and-paper inspired MMO for the console market. It makes sense, particularly given the company's recent financial investments, part of which Turbine CEO Jim Crowley admitted will go towards expanding the dev's supported platforms. For now, however, we continue to wait for any official word while making saving throws vs. patience and taking all of this with 1D6 grains of salt.

I know this is not a popular view, but I DONT want to be playing DDO with a bunch of 10-14 year old kids playing on their console. Not to mention, how much of Turbines time would be devoted to porting to a console vs adding new content?

Pleas, Please no!!

Justan
06-10-2008, 12:39 PM
I absolutely love the cynicism here. The glass is always 1/2 full with you Ckaell, isn't it? ;) You know I love grouping with you and when we do so next, I will definately raz you more then....

As far as porting to consoles go, this is something that AoE has planned, and maybe Turbine would like to tap some of that base before AoE locks it up.

Turbine, if you are taking notice of this thread, please pay attention to what I am about to type - my friends that have taken a hiatus from DDO to play AoE do NOT like it more (i.e. the fighting sequences nor the Forrest Gump Marathon running to get to a quest), but they love the fact that they are doing something new and different.

If this means a new game and subscription than fine - I am sure the wife aggro will ebb and flow as usual when I play it as well.

Don't forget also, there is supposed to be a P&P version of D&D coming out where you can quest remotely via computer with one person (computer) being the DM, and is Turbine is going to maybe put together some 'Modules' for that game release based upon Eberron and that may be what they are exploring.

Once again, though, who knows?

Aodh
06-10-2008, 01:38 PM
God yeah, Isaw that too:



I know this is not a popular view, but I DONT want to be playing DDO with a bunch of 10-14 year old kids playing on their console. Not to mention, how much of Turbines time would be devoted to porting to a console vs adding new content?

Pleas, Please no!!

Other than populating the servers with a bunch of new people, I don't really see how that would improve ddo much for people that have already run the content into the ground. Most likely, they're not going to develop a whole lot of new content, because for the console people, everything would be new. Besides, it seems more likely that they'd port LOTRO vs DDO.

ccheath776
06-11-2008, 09:25 AM
Just a suggestion to the devs. But I am sure you know this already.

When you do hype and buildup with "top secret" projects, its a good thing to do, but you better deliver on the goods.
You wont please everyone but if its not a huge addition like maybe druids or some other such thing, It may be all talk and no bang... or is that more bang less talk.... or maybe more bang with more talk... I dunno.

ArkoHighStar
06-11-2008, 09:33 AM
Other than populating the servers with a bunch of new people, I don't really see how that would improve ddo much for people that have already run the content into the ground. Most likely, they're not going to develop a whole lot of new content, because for the console people, everything would be new. Besides, it seems more likely that they'd port LOTRO vs DDO.

From all the evidence it looks like Warner Bros is providing much of the funding for this console project , which makes it highly doubtful that DDO would be the first to be ported. It is more likely an MMO for a Warner Bros property like Harry Potter or DC universe. What seems to have happened for DDO is that with the re organization of Atari, there is renewed interest at Atari to keep the game alive, and promote it more. This could mean a reissue of the game at stores with the delivery of mod 8 or a number of other things.

One thing the console rumor did was force Turbine to make a comment, and to be honest the most telling statement was that DDO would be getting DX10 this summer, which begs the question, does this mean we are getting new content this summer???

ccheath776
06-11-2008, 09:35 AM
New spells, the "way ofs," new feats, hints about new quests, explorer areas, etc. could all have been (if sold properly) good stories. They spent eons in WDAs. The vast majority of the market for stories on them already knew the details. It was no longer news and not worth spending a lot of time or bandwidth on. Getting reporters of any kind to cover something depends less on how revolutionary or exciting something is than it depends on them being the first to tell the world.

Steve Jobs is a master at that. Yeah, we all knew a new iPhone was coming, but he is very adept at keeping the details secret and teasing the press into thinking that no matter how mundane the chnges are, it is a huge transformation in the iGadget industry. He convinced the press that a metal cover is oh so much cooler than a plastic one when that is really a who-really-cares detail. Other than some improved email functions and a metal cover, what's the big difference in the iPhones? Not a whole heck of a lot, but it has been all over the news the last couple of days.

Yeah, we can all know a new mod is coming, but if the content is a big secret, the news sites will scramble for the info rather than wait for Kate Paiz to call them up and talk her way into a story. It doesn't matter if it isn't ground-breaking technology or spectacular new additions. If you get it first, it's big news.

Please don't kid yoruself about the media. It isn't about what is revolutionary, important or valuable. It's about what is news--what they can tell the world that no one else knows. As long as they are first, they win.


I dont think there is press falling all over themselves for DDO.
Steve Jobs gets the hype he wants because people know Macintosh. How many know DDO?

I dont know if withholding info will increase popularity unless its something that would change DDO completely.

Uska
06-11-2008, 10:02 AM
Lame attempts at humor when customers have serious issues with your policy that should be addressed post-haste?

/FAIL

God I see enough of this lame /fail nonsense on the AoC fourms it isnt funny there here or anywhere else.

Elsbet
06-11-2008, 11:02 AM
I dont think there is press falling all over themselves for DDO.
Steve Jobs gets the hype he wants because people know Macintosh. How many know DDO?

I dont know if withholding info will increase popularity unless its something that would change DDO completely.


Steve Jobs doesn't get hype because of Macintosh. Apple gets hype because of Steve Jobs. People know Apple because Steve Jobs did exactly what I described. Apple nearly died as a company and he brought it back from the edge, mostly with PR. He keeps his development close to his chest, releases scant but tantalizing details, then releases the final package with much fanfare and flourish. Once Apple was no longer on its deathbed, then its products could take more of a center stage.

While a single game will probably never generate the hype that a huge corporate enterprise like Apple, the principle is the same. The anticipation you generate through the strategic release of information and the excitement you create around the release of information affects your sales and popularity. That excitement doesn't spontaneously occur. Any company that wants to succeed in sales needs a very good PR department to create the excitement.

The details of bug fixes and patches isn't something to try and create excitment about, but the content of new mods is and you can't create that excitement about things that are common knowledge.

It would be nice if we could still get regular updates on bug fixes and such, but as much as I'll miss the content spoilers, it makes good marketing sense to pull them off the forums.

Aodh
06-11-2008, 11:58 AM
One thing the console rumor did was force Turbine to make a comment, and to be honest the most telling statement was that DDO would be getting DX10 this summer, which begs the question, does this mean we are getting new content this summer???

Maybe... Then again, I was assuming if they were going to put two new raids in the game, then there would be a bunch of supporting quests to go with them. lol. DX10 is all fine and dandy, but I personally don't care how pretty anything looks. I want new quests to run. (high level)

DrAwkward
06-11-2008, 02:31 PM
Don't forget also, there is supposed to be a P&P version of D&D coming out where you can quest remotely via computer with one person (computer) being the DM

I've been running an online 3.5 campaign for the last 6 months, using all free software.

I don't see this "monthly fee to run your own MMO using graphics from the 90's" thing going very far.

Josh
06-11-2008, 02:33 PM
God I see enough of this lame /fail nonsense on the AoC fourms it isnt funny there here or anywhere else.

Last time I checked nobody is forcing you to read it?

chameleon007
06-11-2008, 10:59 PM
Thinking optimistically here...
There could be some problems if Turbine were working on some groundbreaking game elements, not so much with marketing, but with competition. Someone mentioned that people who don't know about the game don't read the forums. Probably true. Given that line of thinking though, other game developers I am positive do. There are tons of great ideas being thrown around in here, so much so that they would be stupid not to be and online gaming is becoming more popular then ever. Thus, if Turbine were or is developing some groundbreaking interfaces, new gaming tech, first time features, etc. They would be truly stupid to post what it is here, in plain view of every game developer in the world until they were sure it works, is ready, and all the necessary marketing channels were in place. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong, which I very well might be. But from a business perspective, I'm just saying they have to be carefull. And if what I am saying IS the case, then withholding that information IS the best move for DDO and all of it's community because a failing business is a failing game= the ghosttown of Stormreach.

Uska
06-11-2008, 11:55 PM
Last time I checked nobody is forcing you to read it?



yes they are right behind me with a gun to my head:D

it is lame though

Sue_Dark
06-12-2008, 07:40 AM
o.O

That was what my SEAL buddies used to tell me all the time. :)



Cool, you speak seal! I never knew they could talk. ;)

samagee
06-12-2008, 10:54 AM
I wonder if they will hire the former Iraqi Information Minister? That could make the wait for updates worthwhile :)

Him and or Bill Gates.

Muppethero
06-12-2008, 09:54 PM
I play ddo with a 360 controller and it makes my life so much easyer

szalkerous
06-13-2008, 12:18 PM
God yeah, Isaw that too:

I know this is not a popular view, but I DONT want to be playing DDO with a bunch of 10-14 year old kids playing on their console. Not to mention, how much of Turbines time would be devoted to porting to a console vs adding new content?

Pleas, Please no!!

/signed

No care for the console MMO crowd. At all. I like the user base how it is. Just advertise what you have, don't make it into something it's not. Could you imagine trying to work 20 menubars off a console controller? Not to mention land AoE spells and whatnot at a specific location? I can hear the "sorry on console" excuses already. I can see the random party drops of the A.D.D.-affected console crowd.

NO THANK YOU.

moorewr
06-13-2008, 12:20 PM
/signed

No care for the console MMO crowd. At all. I like the user base how it is. Just advertise what you have, don't make it into something it's not. Could you imagine trying to work 20 menubars off a console controller? Not to mention land AoE spells and whatnot at a specific location? I can hear the "sorry on console" excuses already. I can see the random party drops of the A.D.D.-affected console crowd.

NO THANK YOU.

Not to worry, Turbine's CEO basically ruled out a console DDO port in an interview.. not that he was necessarily putting all his cards on the table. You have to think LotRO would be a more profitable port for them with that crowd...

uncus2
06-13-2008, 02:14 PM
So the infusion of cash into Turbine was to fund an MMO of the classic spy game "Top Secret"!?

moorewr
06-13-2008, 02:16 PM
So the infusion of cash into Turbine was to fund an MMO of the classic spy game "Top Secret"!?

The movie, actually,, and $39mil will go to secure Val Kilmer for the voice work...

Riddikulus
06-13-2008, 03:23 PM
So the infusion of cash into Turbine was to fund an MMO of the classic spy game "Top Secret"!?
The press release says the money is from Time Warner.

Some potential MMO themes from Time Warner (no particular order):

1) Harry Potter - this would be way cool and could make use of the LOTRO/DDO engine
2) Looney Tunes - would be a definite possibility with the console crowd.
3) DC Comics - Superman/Wonder Woman/Batman... some competition for City of Heroes?
4) Terminator - Maybe some potential there?
5) Babylon 5 - Lots of good stuff could be here.
6) Doctor Who - Tons of storylines there, probably a cheap franchise to use too
7) HHGTTG - Not sure enough story here for a big MMO but it would be different.

Uska
06-17-2008, 12:18 AM
So the infusion of cash into Turbine was to fund an MMO of the classic spy game "Top Secret"!?

God I remember when one of gms brought that back from gen con and one guy kept thinking paradise control was pair of dice control lol loved it when the bartender blew him away with a shotgun and I blew myself up and half the party with the cigerate lighter that was a gernade.

Uska
06-17-2008, 12:20 AM
The press release says the money is from Time Warner.

Some potential MMO themes from Time Warner (no particular order):

1) Harry Potter - this would be way cool and could make use of the LOTRO/DDO engine
2) Looney Tunes - would be a definite possibility with the console crowd.
3) DC Comics - Superman/Wonder Woman/Batman... some competition for City of Heroes?
4) Terminator - Maybe some potential there?
5) Babylon 5 - Lots of good stuff could be here.
6) Doctor Who - Tons of storylines there, probably a cheap franchise to use too
7) HHGTTG - Not sure enough story here for a big MMO but it would be different.

I think the harry potter one could be a possiblity and the dc one I dont think so but there is another super game coming next year based on champions but I think its using a highly modified cox engine.