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Original
03-27-2008, 10:06 AM
Not sure If I did a good job, but we did it. It was the first time I ran it with my cleric and I went thru 180 heal scrolls! It was fun but really expensive... (just another cleric complaining) Now I understand why some LFM's post pp entry fee. I am a big fan of warforged but, I think there needs to be more reconstructing caster's. With the 3 wf tanks my heal's just where not lasting long enough. I am horrible with names, but thank you to who gave me 4 mana pot's in part 4, I don't think we would have made it without them, and thanks to those who gave me some money in the end. Here's a good laugh... I showed up with 60 heal scrolls and asked the leader if that was enough... he was like no... at least he didn't call me a newbie or boot me from the group, because I sure felt stupid.

Impaqt
03-27-2008, 10:32 AM
Just one of the Reasons Wizards are a good idea to take over a SOrc. Can Swap in reconstruct..... Of course, theres no reason a Sorc cant use Reconstruct scrolls.

Rrend
03-27-2008, 10:38 AM
Not sure If I did a good job, but we did it. It was the first time I ran it with my cleric and I went thru 180 heal scrolls! It was fun but really expensive... (just another cleric complaining) Now I understand why some LFM's post pp entry fee. I am a big fan of warforged but, I think there needs to be more reconstructing caster's. With the 3 wf tanks my heal's just where not lasting long enough. I am horrible with names, but thank you to who gave me 4 mana pot's in part 4, I don't think we would have made it without them, and thanks to those who gave me some money in the end. Here's a good laugh... I showed up with 60 heal scrolls and asked the leader if that was enough... he was like no... at least he didn't call me a newbie or boot me from the group, because I sure felt stupid.

No offense intended here, but if you did this on normal you were in a very inefficient group using bad tactics at best. I've run this through completion many times on my cleric and have never used more than 50 scrolls (usually have 3 clerics in group...were you the only one????). There's no reason to use ANY scrolls on parts 1-3, part 4 is scroll heavy if the fiend doesn't bug, and if you alternate clerics on healing duty and use pools to get mana back on part 5 there's no reason to use more than a handful of scrolls...even less if he bugs here also.

Also, casters should be using reconstruct scrolls, not wasting cleric heal scrolls on warforged (eg: bad tactics).

I hope that group paid you because you should not be bearing the full economic cost of bad tactics.

Cheers,
NB

mudfud
03-27-2008, 10:49 AM
No offense intended here, but if you did this on normal you were in a very inefficient group using bad tactics at best. I've run this through completion many times on my cleric and have never used more than 50 scrolls (usually have 3 clerics in group...were you the only one????). There's no reason to use ANY scrolls on parts 1-3, part 4 is scroll heavy if the fiend doesn't bug, and if you alternate clerics on healing duty and use pools to get mana back on part 5 there's no reason to use more than a handful of scrolls...even less if he bugs here also.

Also, casters should be using reconstruct scrolls, not wasting cleric heal scrolls on warforged (eg: bad tactics).

I hope that group paid you because you should not be bearing the full economic cost of bad tactics.

Cheers,
NB

I'd agree partly with what you say, but would have to include part 4 and part 5 in the no scroll category.
For a first timer, it's really hard, maybe excitement level to use what is used. I am sure your first run was much the same, I know mine was.
Yes, I am down to using less then 20 scrolls on a run, but that is also a choice. 3 clerics is ideal, but I have done with 2 and even one, and get the same result. It's all choice. If you slow down healing because of cost, then the others in group have to take the same approach.
For instance, part 4 if u get range aggro first he does not melee as much, just throws more fireballs, allowing melee to hit him more as long as aggro stays on range.
I am highly against paying pp to a cleric, and also getting pp from the group (but i will take it). As a cleric you choose what you want to use, nobody forces you. The only difference is starting over or re-grouping and changing tactics.

Congrats on your first win, and may your next victories be smoother!

Yajerman01
03-27-2008, 10:51 AM
theres no reason a Sorc cant use Reconstruct scrolls.

I agree, just make sure the WF gives them to me and ill do my best!

Zenako
03-27-2008, 11:02 AM
I agree, just make sure the WF gives them to me and ill do my best!

Interesting how most WF are expected to pay for their own burn so to speak, while most fleshies get to just assume the cleric will cover them, when it comes to supplies like scrolls. Now I have had some fleshies give me stuff on occasion, but not as often as I see the WF handing out wands and scrolls to arcane casters...I mean my 5th level Buket has half a page of wands and stuff to be handed out as needed (if the group appears to have issues keeping me standing, which is usually not an issue anyway, but that is another story...) and mostly pulled by higher level characters and not sold for some gold, sent to my needy ones.

SciFiCowboy
03-27-2008, 11:05 AM
Congrats on your first successful Shroud run.

Wow I might burn through 15-30 heal scrolls and maybe a mana pot in a completion but we run with three clerics and everybody brings their own fire protection pots to help.

:-) He is a tough one for sure, it is always a great battle.

Yajerman01
03-27-2008, 11:16 AM
Interesting how most WF are expected to pay for their own burn so to speak, while most fleshies get to just assume the cleric will cover them, when it comes to supplies like scrolls. Now I have had some fleshies give me stuff on occasion, but not as often as I see the WF handing out wands and scrolls to arcane casters...I mean my 5th level Buket has half a page of wands and stuff to be handed out as needed (if the group appears to have issues keeping me standing, which is usually not an issue anyway, but that is another story...) and mostly pulled by higher level characters and not sold for some gold, sent to my needy ones.

Well two points id like to make.

1. Im a nuker not a healer and therefore dont carry reconstruct or the repair spell; as such, I would only use scrolls or wands for healing purposes. I dont have the mana to use specifically for healing purposes, unlike a cleric or wizzy.

2. If the WF expects me to heal him just because im a Sorc, then he needs to understand that now, my team playing ability has changed from pure nuker to healer/slash nuker which means I now have to spend my time watching his health bar as well as my own. If I wanted to play a healer, then Id either play a cleric or a wizzy who can change out his spells without additional cost, then id be happy to heal a WF free of charge.

So yeah, I expect him to pay if he wants me to be his personal healer because that is not what my toon is designed for. My toon is a killer, period!

And even as a fleshy, i never expect a cleric to use a scroll on me, but he is playing a "healer" which is part of his function of the team, as such, yeah i do expect to get a heal tossed on me during battle. I lick my own wounds after.

So I do not think its interesting but rather typical of a response you would get from a sorc versus a wizzy.

I am not forking out the dough on scrolls just for your sake, unless your a friend strapped for cash :)

Sorry, thats just how I roll

Zenako
03-27-2008, 11:24 AM
Fully agree, the next Sorc I see with Repair anything in any slot will probably be the first (ignoring those splash builds). I am often still amazed when someone asks a Sorc to change spells at the shrine to get spell X for the next part of a quest.....HELLO...I guess you never played one huh....sigh. More meant for Wizards to be sure, as I am sure pretty most every wizard has at least learned the spells (if for nothing more than to say they know every spell in the game) and could swap one out. Now most wizards will not have the enehancements to boost repair as high as some of the fire/cold spells get bumped, but a Reconstruct from a Wizard will likely do a lot more than the scroll, just like Heal from the Cleric is a lot better than from the scroll.

Borrigain
03-27-2008, 11:40 AM
God, I can't believe the gall of poster #3 and a llittle of #4.

What's your problem people? The man said it was his first time. Why you have to bust his b***s with tactics and sub-optimal party criticisms? I'm glad you're sooooo uber that you got it perfect your FIRST time and didn't burn that many scrolls on your FIRST time.

Jeez, just offer congrats and maybe a hint and move on. Why do some of you feel you have to berate anyone straight outta the gate?


/sheesh.


And to the OP, congrats! :) You did much better than our first time in there. We burned tons of resources. But like some said, as you develop your tactics and grow more comfortable with the quest, you'll notice your costs drop significantly.

Borr.

P.S. mod's, yeah go ahead and slam me, but I'm (and others) getting increasily frustrated with the trolls who seem to always put everyone down for not being as UBER-leetz as they are, and it's time we fight back.

Yajerman01
03-27-2008, 11:57 AM
God, I can't believe the gall of poster #3 and a llittle of #4.

What's your problem people? The man said it was his first time. Why you have to bust his b***s with tactics and sub-optimal party criticisms? I'm glad you're sooooo uber that you got it perfect your FIRST time and didn't burn that many scrolls on your FIRST time.

Jeez, just offer congrats and maybe a hint and move on. Why do some of you feel you have to berate anyone straight outta the gate?


/sheesh.


And to the OP, congrats! :) You did much better than our first time in there. We burned tons of resources. But like some said, as you develop your tactics and grow more comfortable with the quest, you'll notice your costs drop significantly.

Borr.

P.S. mod's, yeah go ahead and slam me, but I'm (and others) getting increasily frustrated with the trolls who seem to always put everyone down for not being as UBER-leetz as they are, and it's time we fight back.

Yep, yep

I remember my first time, talk about overeacting, but then of course you should be overreacting a bit..

My caster expended everything he had in his pack, i used 10 mana pots on part 4, used all my mana and even resorted to using stoneskin wands on our last surviving tank against the pit feind. The clerics in our group expended vast amounts of resources, i recall more then what the OP used. and Still we didnt make it to part 5. :(

2nd time around all the above was cut in half

3rd time a round I think I used 1 or 2 mana pots

4th time around had it down, knew every nook n crany and didnt expend a mana pot. ran 4 times with the same clerics too, and they cut their costs easily in half each run, so yeah OP good job. From the sound of it, you had a few people with knowledge of the run unlike my group, or it would have been more costly. :)

moops
03-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Lets remember that 180 Heal scrolls used on 3 WF tanks, prob translates into 50 - 70 on non WF tanks. Depends on each Clerics level of Wand and Scroll mastery, and WF healer's Friend. For instance, my clerics have one level in Wand and Scroll mastery, so I usually go through more scrolls than the average cleric. Also, many clerics are Offensive casters and so do not carry MT and IMT--so they start with fewer SP than Healer builds--some people are going to use more resources, it does not mean that they are Noobzors.

TO OP : Gratz on your first run. If I told you the amount of resources I used on my clerics in my first 5 or so runs when we were still figuring it out, it would make people sick.

But, alas, being able to craft SP items, and getting some tactics down --like always having 1 ranger in group to draw aggro from Melee, has greatly reduced my costs. I maybe use 20 - 50 scrolls in a completion--how much depends on if there are 2 clerics, if one dies in part 4, and how part 5 is done, and how the Bard/UMDs in the group are with healing. My scroll count includes Mass Cure Mod scrolls. Every now and then I use a couple pots in part 4.

I wouldn't rely on the Bug technique, they will change it. It's fine for now, but I suspect that there are a lot of people that never did it the non bug way, and once it's changed, the raid will become more expensive with the learning curve. I'm glad that I know how to do this raid effeceintly without the bug techniques.

P.S.
Most Pugs I join, as well as all guild runs, people donate plat/scrolls to me. While I don't expect it, it sure goes along way towards keeping things together if for some reason, something goes wrong--like a lag spike in part 4 that results in 2 or 3 getting DFB'd at once, which always seems to include one of the clerics. If my group is going for completion, I will get them through it as long as I am alive.

mudfud
03-27-2008, 12:10 PM
God, I can't believe the gall of poster #3 and a llittle of #4.

What's your problem people? The man said it was his first time. Why you have to bust his b***s with tactics and sub-optimal party criticisms? I'm glad you're sooooo uber that you got it perfect your FIRST time and didn't burn that many scrolls on your FIRST time.

Jeez, just offer congrats and maybe a hint and move on. Why do some of you feel you have to berate anyone straight outta the gate?


/sheesh.


And to the OP, congrats! :) You did much better than our first time in there. We burned tons of resources. But like some said, as you develop your tactics and grow more comfortable with the quest, you'll notice your costs drop significantly.

Borr.

P.S. mod's, yeah go ahead and slam me, but I'm (and others) getting increasily frustrated with the trolls who seem to always put everyone down for not being as UBER-leetz as they are, and it's time we fight back.

Well that I guess makes me poster #4, but I fail to see you point.
Did you read the original posters thread fully. Did you read my post fully? I can tell you didn't, or you just need to re-read it.
It was the OP's first time on his cleric, no where stated his first time run ever.
Never once did poster #3, or poster #4 state we were leet, because we choose to not use so many resources.
I clearly stated I did on my first run also. And it also gets smoother as you do more.
Posts like yours might be accepted on Ghallandra but here in Sarlona they are not. If you are going to post, may I make the suggestion to either read more clearly or not post at all.

Justan
03-27-2008, 12:19 PM
Grats to the OP.

To the 'Nuker', I pray that sometime I get you into group so you can see how I heal the 'Team' players versus the 'Jack***', OOPS! I mean 'Nuker' the person with the star invited to group...

I always make room in my pack for a stone such as yours...

Yajerman01
03-27-2008, 12:19 PM
...I suspect that there are a lot of people that never did it the non bug way, and once it's changed, the raid will become more expensive with the learning curve. I'm glad that I know how to do this raid effeceintly without the bug techniques.

I ve never done it the bug way, so I agree, if there are potentially a lot of people doing it, they are so going to so hate doing part 4 the first time the correct way, man it sucks resources.

artvan_delet
03-27-2008, 12:20 PM
First, Congrats on finishing the shroud. These raids are always the best the first time through. I remember my first dragon, and my first pit fiend. Sounds like you had a great time, and stuck to it. It takes a while just to cast 180 heal scrolls, on top of everything else you were doing. Every run is different in a pug. Sometimes it's smooth, and sometimes you end up burning through pots and scrolls. I've pugged the raid dozens of times, and the one I'll remember is being the solo-cleric with a great bard in part 4. Nice to have a good bard in the group, saved our bacon. Anyway, sounds like a good DDO night, I'll group with ya anytime. (and if you're the same Original Butter from Aerenal, all the better!) Inzane.

unionyes
03-27-2008, 12:24 PM
Well two points id like to make.

1. Im a nuker not a healer and therefore dont carry reconstruct or the repair spell; as such, I would only use scrolls or wands for healing purposes. I dont have the mana to use specifically for healing purposes, unlike a cleric or wizzy.

2. If the WF expects me to heal him just because im a Sorc, then he needs to understand that now, my team playing ability has changed from pure nuker to healer/slash nuker which means I now have to spend my time watching his health bar as well as my own. If I wanted to play a healer, then Id either play a cleric or a wizzy who can change out his spells without additional cost, then id be happy to heal a WF free of charge.

So yeah, I expect him to pay if he wants me to be his personal healer because that is not what my toon is designed for. My toon is a killer, period!

And even as a fleshy, i never expect a cleric to use a scroll on me, but he is playing a "healer" which is part of his function of the team, as such, yeah i do expect to get a heal tossed on me during battle. I lick my own wounds after.

So I do not think its interesting but rather typical of a response you would get from a sorc versus a wizzy.

I am not forking out the dough on scrolls just for your sake, unless your a friend strapped for cash :)

Sorry, thats just how I roll

Yeah, me too. Kinda.

Of course, I am sort of relying on the WF fighter type to keep between me and the rampaging horde of angry mobs while I kill them, so it is in my best interest to keep him standing, because if he goes down, I probably will too. And I would rather burn through some scrolls and wands and complete, than not and wipe.

I carry some stuff, not a lot. I think I currently have about 20 reconstruct scrolls and 5 repair critical wands. They are for emergencies, prevention of a wipe, that sort of thing. A wizzie can cast reconstruct a lot more effectively than I can scroll it, too. If a massive amount of scrolls are needed to keep the WF up and prevent a party wipe and we know this going in, then we can and should pass the hat. Same goes for Heal Scrolls for the clerics too. And even if there is going to be a lot of wand usage on lower level quests.

However, I am not nearly silly enough to watch the WF die leading into a party wipe because I am not 'primarily' a healer. I am a party member. Period. I am gonna do what is best for the party to complete the quest. Sometimes, that means I am a stone cold killer, leaving a trail of bodies in my wake. Other times that means I am a Maytag Repair Man. Whatever it takes FTW.

Yajerman01
03-27-2008, 12:40 PM
Grats to the OP.

To the 'Nuker', I pray that sometime I get you into group so you can see how I heal the 'Team' players versus the 'Jack***', OOPS! I mean 'Nuker' the person with the star invited to group...

I always make room in my pack for a stone such as yours...

I pressume that was directed to me considering I am the only one that mentioned that I was a nuker, if not then disregard the following, if so, then read.

I do not believe you read my comments correctly because I never stated I am not a team player. I said, I am a sorc who does not pay for a WF's scroll consumption to heal him.

If I was a cleric or Wizzy, then I dont mind spending the mana on healing him because they have spells they can swap out free of charge to asist a WF. Again, if he wants a personal SORC healer then he needs to pay for HIS scrolls. Am I not being a team player or is the WF who thinks im his personal plat holder and scroll vendor being the non-team player?

If a cleric said its a big or hard quest and needs plat to buy scrolls, im the first to throw down some plat to help out because I know it can get expensive. As such, shouldn't a WF do the same if he expects me, a sorcerer who doent not carry reconstruct orthe repair spell, to run scrolls or wands off of him?

As such, I am trying to figure out where you got that I am a non-team player and a 'jack***'. Perhaps you need to re-read my posts before opining. You also assume im the leader inviting people - a feckless hypothetical.

And if I was in your group, you would be saving mana and scroll usage as I waste everything in sight. Lastly, I havent been in someones pack in a long time, although I do recall carrying several clerics in my pack if I choose not to use a scroll of raise dead on them. :)

Yajerman01
03-27-2008, 12:47 PM
I carry some stuff, not a lot. I think I currently have about 20 reconstruct scrolls and 5 repair critical wands. They are for emergencies, prevention of a wipe, that sort of thing. A wizzie can cast reconstruct a lot more effectively than I can scroll it, too. If a massive amount of scrolls are needed to keep the WF up and prevent a party wipe and we know this going in, then we can and should pass the hat. Same goes for Heal Scrolls for the clerics too. And even if there is going to be a lot of wand usage on lower level quests.

However, I am not nearly silly enough to watch the WF die leading into a party wipe because I am not 'primarily' a healer. I am a party member. Period. I am gonna do what is best for the party to complete the quest. Sometimes, that means I am a stone cold killer, leaving a trail of bodies in my wake. Other times that means I am a Maytag Repair Man. Whatever it takes FTW.

And I couldnt agree with you more, I myself carry a few "emergencies" for in case of a WF fiasco, the last thing I want is to watch my main tank go down, especially if he is a WF, but that isnt my point, my point was im not paying to be a healer for a WF who joins party and expects me to be his personal assistant - he needs to pay the good sorc doctor to heal him by buying himself his own scrolls for me to use. I dont mind bneing his personal healer if thats what the team wants, but being a sorc with limited healing abilities, im not paying for it.

Borrigain
03-27-2008, 12:51 PM
Well that I guess makes me poster #4, but I fail to see you point.
Did you read the original posters thread fully. Yes. Did you read my post fully? Yes. I can tell you didn't, or you just need to re-read it.
It was the OP's first time on his cleric, no where stated his first time run ever. As a cleric yes, so it's a "first time" of having to worry about healing resources.
Never once did poster #3, or poster #4 state we were leet, because we choose to not use so many resources. No, but your answers bring you off that way.
I clearly stated I did on my first run also. And it also gets smoother as you do more. Agreed.
Posts like yours might be accepted on Ghallandra but here in Sarlona they are not. If you are going to post, may I make the suggestion to either read more clearly or not post at all. And I might make the suggestion to note that I said "a little bit". see your quote below.

Remarks in red.


I'd agree partly with what you say, but would have to include part 4 and part 5 in the no scroll category.
For a first timer, it's really hard, maybe excitement level to use what is used. I am sure your first run was much the same, I know mine was.
Yes, I am down to using less then 20 scrolls on a run, but that is also a choice. 3 clerics is ideal, but I have done with 2 and even one, and get the same result. It's all choice. If you slow down healing because of cost, then the others in group have to take the same approach.
For instance, part 4 if u get range aggro first he does not melee as much, just throws more fireballs, allowing melee to hit him more as long as aggro stays on range.
I am highly against paying pp to a cleric, and also getting pp from the group (but i will take it). As a cleric you choose what you want to use, nobody forces you. The only difference is starting over or re-grouping and changing tactics.

Congrats on your first win, and may your next victories be smoother!

See your remark in red, why did you have to partly agree and then say that? That does not help the OP. It sounds condescending. That is what I'm refering to. And lately, there has been a lot of "you're stupid, I'm better than you" remarks made. It's not helpful, it's low. If it was not intended as such, I apologize, but read thru some threads, and when you see so much of that, you'll see it is possible to accidently hasty generalize.

Borr.

barecm
03-27-2008, 12:57 PM
It's always awesome to complete a raid or difficult quest for the first time; regardless of how efficienty your group did it. The good thing is you now have an idea of how to do it and you will certainly get more proficient over time and use less resources. Again congrats and don't let those parade rainers bring you down.

mudfud
03-27-2008, 12:59 PM
Because as stated, a cleric chooses to use 200, 100 whatever heal scrolls. A cleric controls a party whether people want to believe it or not.
If the cleric slows down, either the group dies, wipes, or they slow down.
If a cleric goes into a quest choosing to use no heal scrolls, then the group should even punt him or slow it down.
It's not meaning you are leet because you use 0 or little heal scrolls, it means good tactics.

If the group still wants to zerg and melee in pit fiend part 4 and part 5 with knowing the cleric is only gonna use sp, that is the melee's choice.

The problem comes from expecting each cleric to carry and use hundreds of heal scrolls, wands, etc...when it's just seriously not necessary.
It's just people are in such a hurry and think it is.

Original
03-27-2008, 01:18 PM
Wow... I can't believe how many replies I have gotten. You all have helped me a lot. FYI... there was another cleric 12/ftr 3 or something like that. Was on normal. And yes this is Original Butter from Aerernal and what's up Inzane, damn I haven't see you in a long time.

Kronik
03-27-2008, 02:07 PM
Good times in the Shroud...NICE!

Now go do Running with Devils 10 to 20 times and Im sure you'll make back all your money plus a few extra bucks
for a drink or two.

Original
03-27-2008, 02:16 PM
That's a great idea... I ran Running with the Devils yesterday and it took us 18 minutes. I am so poor :( I remember someone saying earlier about offensive cleric... I am not, I am pure healer with all the enhancements for healing. I didn't mean to complain, I just wanted to post something about my first complete shroud raid :) I just can't stop thinking about the raid, It was probaly the most fun I have had in a long time.

Justan
03-27-2008, 02:52 PM
I pressume that was directed to me considering I am the only one that mentioned that I was a nuker, if not then disregard the following, if so, then read. WOW, you powers of stating the completely obvious are immense!

I do not believe you read my comments correctly because I never stated I am not a team player. I said, I am a sorc who does not pay for a WF's scroll consumption to heal him. So you expect the Cleric/Wizard to take it for the team? Way to really put yourself out there for the good of the team...

If I was a cleric or Wizzy, then I dont mind spending the mana on healing him because they have spells they can swap out free of charge to asist a WF. Again, if he wants a personal SORC healer then he needs to pay for HIS scrolls. Am I not being a team player or is the WF who thinks im his personal plat holder and scroll vendor being the non-team player? Again, it's all about perception - you may want to get a couple of quotes before putting a window in your abdomen, cuz it's gonna be real expansive...

If a cleric said its a big or hard quest and needs plat to buy scrolls, im the first to throw down some plat to help out because I know it can get expensive. As such, shouldn't a WF do the same if he expects me, a sorcerer who doent not carry reconstruct orthe repair spell, to run scrolls or wands off of him? Really? not what yousaid - I believe it was something along the lines of you never throw down plat to cleric...

As such, I am trying to figure out where you got that I am a non-team player and a 'jack***'. Perhaps you need to re-read my posts before opining. You also assume im the leader inviting people - a feckless hypothetical. I stated that was an OOPS! as they darn near synonyms, and I don't doubt you are 'uber', as that means 'good' - I believe in my post it was you being invited to group - not you with the star - but I bet you throw your immense opinion out there and get real peeved when it is not followed to the letter.

And if I was in your group, you would be saving mana and scroll usage as I waste everything in sight. Lastly, I havent been in someones pack in a long time, although I do recall carrying several clerics in my pack if I choose not to use a scroll of raise dead on them. :) Well you know who I am & are you even from this server? If you are put down your different alts so we can know one another. As far me dying, you bet all the time - usually as I am trying to thro heals to tanks while keeping the fleshies up.

If you thro a reply, have the guts to tell who you are in game. If you are from a different server, I will see you on Risia before Mod 7 is released...

Rathji
03-27-2008, 03:58 PM
I agree, just make sure the WF gives them to me and ill do my best!

...do you give heal scrolls to a cleric?

As a sorc I always carry reconstruct for when there's WF in a grp.... especially in part 5, b/c I find that to be one of the best uses of my resources, beyond topping up fire prot. If I try to do damage, then

(a) it's not that much compared to the ginormous number of HP the guy has or
(b) I get agro and die.

...did you know that casting reconstruct on a WF also gives them "speed of reconstruction"... like haste, but race restricted...

Yajerman01
03-27-2008, 04:04 PM
...do you give heal scrolls to a cleric

Yes, upon request, or alternativley, plat. But honestly though, im not giving each and every cleric on every quest scrolls just for the sake of giving them because we entered a quest. I think the level of the quest and its overall difficulty and time consumption has to be weighed amongst the group before anyone ponies up 100 heal scrolls. Most people who have been around have a good sense of each quest and know their toon enough to know if they will need additional resources. There are other factors to consider like the make-up of the group. I am pretty self sufficient and also being a SORC I am pretty easy to heal.

Also, your talking about part 5 in a single raid. As an everyday occurrance your not the healer for every WF that enters your party, especially if your a SORC unless of course that is your MO. However and again If you take up the charge of buying your own scrolls fro a WF in your party without compensation, then IMO thats foolhardy. I digress though, certain and/or special situations call for special adaptabilities including being a primary healer for a WF. But this should not be the norm, nor should you be flipping the bill just because you can cast scrolls to heal. That goes for clerics as well. They shouldnt be incurring the cost of scrolls unless they dont mind.

Justan
03-27-2008, 04:37 PM
I pay my monthly dues, i'll talk where I want.

And what! I never stated nor inferred that the OP used too many scrolls. You need to take some English reading comprehension courses.

Man just stop already your making yourself look silly

I pay my monthly dues too - wow we have something in common. Why don't you read what you type correct the mispellings. You also never gave a grats to the OP, just talked about your first time, when you try to hijack a Sarlonian's post, do it with all the style you profess, not like an uber goober that you did. When I say stick to Khyber, I mean that I really want you to post in a more meaningful way here on Sarlona or just stay home where you obviously think you are wanted. When next you feel like posting, throw your character's name out there so you can represent all that Khyber has to offer to we petty few over here in Sarlona.

Tell you what - I will refer to you as 'Lil Bo Peep' the uber goober puker nuker from Khyber.

As far as silly, yeah you're making my workday go by so much faster because I am laughing at myself and you.

Back to the OP - darn awesome job with what you accomplished,be proud of YOUR accomplishment and know that 'little peeps' will always be out offering their immense wisdom on how you shoulda done things and how they 'roll'.

ROFL lil bo peep

nbhs275
03-27-2008, 04:38 PM
Well two points id like to make.

1. Im a nuker not a healer and therefore dont carry reconstruct or the repair spell; as such, I would only use scrolls or wands for healing purposes. I dont have the mana to use specifically for healing purposes, unlike a cleric or wizzy.

2. If the WF expects me to heal him just because im a Sorc, then he needs to understand that now, my team playing ability has changed from pure nuker to healer/slash nuker which means I now have to spend my time watching his health bar as well as my own. If I wanted to play a healer, then Id either play a cleric or a wizzy who can change out his spells without additional cost, then id be happy to heal a WF free of charge.

So yeah, I expect him to pay if he wants me to be his personal healer because that is not what my toon is designed for. My toon is a killer, period!

And even as a fleshy, i never expect a cleric to use a scroll on me, but he is playing a "healer" which is part of his function of the team, as such, yeah i do expect to get a heal tossed on me during battle. I lick my own wounds after.

So I do not think its interesting but rather typical of a response you would get from a sorc versus a wizzy.

I am not forking out the dough on scrolls just for your sake, unless your a friend strapped for cash :)

Sorry, thats just how I roll


yea, and your little nuker but itsnt helping do anything in shroud 4 anyways. If your fire/cold specced your gunna be doing junk damage with your little cones of cold, and if your lightning specced(so so rare) then your going to burn all your mana for very little result. So just sit back, FoD gnolls and devils, and cast a few scrolls. I mean 100 reconstruct scrolls will take 1 inventory slot, and cost you maybe 10k. And hell, will last you a damn good time seeing your so busy "nuking"m in part 4.


I know ALOT of sorcs with repair, the 20+ WF sorcs in my guild carry it, nevermind the friends of the guild that carry the spell or scrolls of it, to be helpful.

But as it stands right now on my WF, i NEVER give handouts. Because of too reasons. I will most likely spend more on the potions i will use compared to the scrolls you use on me. And i wont be going through too many potions if you catch my drift. And second, i play a cleric and i dont need handouts. I barely ever need to use scrolls, i've still got about 80 of the 300 i bought when mod 6 was released.

Yajerman01
03-27-2008, 04:52 PM
yea, and your little nuker but itsnt helping do anything in shroud 4 anyways. If your fire/cold specced your gunna be doing junk damage with your little cones of cold, and if your lightning specced(so so rare) then your going to burn all your mana for very little result. So just sit back, FoD gnolls and devils, and cast a few scrolls. I mean 100 reconstruct scrolls will take 1 inventory slot, and cost you maybe 10k. And hell, will last you a damn good time seeing your so busy "nuking"m in part 4.


I know ALOT of sorcs with repair, the 20+ WF sorcs in my guild carry it, nevermind the friends of the guild that carry the spell or scrolls of it, to be helpful.

But as it stands right now on my WF, i NEVER give handouts. Because of too reasons. I will most likely spend more on the potions i will use compared to the scrolls you use on me. And i wont be going through too many potions if you catch my drift. And second, i play a cleric and i dont need handouts. I barely ever need to use scrolls, i've still got about 80 of the 300 i bought when mod 6 was released.


My original comment ascended into just merely questing and healing. I agree with part 4, my part is webbing/cloudkill/FOD and healing WF if they are in group. And again, this is a raid that calls for a special situation so I agree that reconstruct scroll are very usefull, however, just like the clerics in special raids, if im going to be a personal healer then your paying for the scrolls. If you disagree, then I agree to disagree with you.

by the way, if I do attack the Pit feind it would be with polar ray, 300 - 600 damage isnt bad, but certainly not effective or mana efficient.

Tolero
03-27-2008, 05:03 PM
Gratz on your run Original!

Let's stay on topic everyone

Justan
03-27-2008, 05:04 PM
Gratz on your run Original!

Let's stay on topic everyone

Agreed Turbine, and again - Gratz Original!

Dexxaan
03-27-2008, 10:07 PM
MAN! I'm too late to beat the nuker into a pulp?

Fine...I'll behave.

Gratz Original.

BTW You and I ran quite a bit back on Aerenal when (I dare say) I was Officer of Grimstone...and trust me thats a long way's back.

I haven't seen you til recently so I assume your back to game a couple of weeks? Anyway you may have noticed Aerenalites bum-rushed Sarlona and share it with a select few......:cool:

Gratz on your completion; look up any Gravis Negotium guys for our shroud runs, chances are we'll rip thru like a Butterknife (no personal reference :eek:) OR wipe due to laughter induced incompetence.