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Illuminati
03-20-2008, 10:52 AM
Other than the crazy 56 for the Pit Fiend on Elite, what is a decent Intim to nail 90% of the stuff in game atm (that can be initimidated)?

Right now I am at: (granted, this is with Evasion, elite level rogue skills,UMD, 61 AC unbuffed and Very Good DPS)

9 Rank (ftr 10/ rog 3 / pal 3)
15 Item
6 Charisma
2 luck (head of GF)
3 Fighters Intim (enhancement)
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35 (39 w/ Greater Heroism)

I could take SF: Intim for something but not sure if 42 is make or break.

Note: Shroud Elite trash was around 40.

Thanks, Illum

Impaqt
03-20-2008, 10:58 AM
The Reaver on Elite is a 42-44. I fya hit that, your gonna do fine in every quest until ya get to the Pit fiend on Elite. (Dont forget abotu the -4 SIze Penalty if your a Halfling/Facing a Giant TYpe)

Illuminati
03-20-2008, 11:07 AM
The Reaver on Elite is a 42-44. I fya hit that, your gonna do fine in every quest until ya get to the Pit fiend on Elite. (Dont forget abotu the -4 SIze Penalty if your a Halfling/Facing a Giant TYpe)

Human ftw!

Thanks bro.

I think hlings get -8 vs. Reaver correct? as a human I should get a -4?

Hmm, I make take SF: Intim (until later levels where I can get more ranks) to counter the size mod's Giant classes have. That way I would be at 38 vs. Giants and 42 vs. the rest.

Impaqt
03-20-2008, 11:25 AM
yeah, Halflings get double wacked against Giants..... -8:eek:

Illuminati
03-20-2008, 11:26 AM
How does trip, etc. work against hlings now?

If a giant stomps, do hlings get -8 to their save?

Curious because I have a hling monk that I have been debating switching over to WF.

Thanks

Borror0
03-20-2008, 11:50 AM
The Reaver on Elite is a 42-44.

You need a +50 (unmodified) to never fail the Reaver on a 1.

Impaqt
03-20-2008, 11:52 AM
Are you sure? I tank the Reaver quite often on Kilgan.. Hes only Level 14 and I intimidate him over 50%. I think I'm at +33 against him on Intim right now (My +15 IntimItem is L15 so Still uning a +10) and taking SF:Intim at l15 as well.

I could of Sworn I've seen Success with a 10+33. If he was a 50 Intim Id have to roll a 17 and I'm sure I'm not near that lucky withmy Rolls.

binnsr
03-20-2008, 11:53 AM
You need a +50 (unmodified) to never fail the Reaver on a 1.

Not that its a huge jump, but I was intimidating him on a 2 with a +49 two nights ago

Against the pit fiend, I am pretty sure that I was taking a -8 penalty (been a week or so since I was in there on my fighter, so don't really remember) .. is he size-class gargantuan or something?

Illuminati
03-20-2008, 11:58 AM
I think so. I know Riott says hes around a 56 so that size mod has to hurt.

Illuminati
03-20-2008, 11:59 AM
You need a +50 (unmodified) to never fail the Reaver on a 1.

Ouch. Well, I'll be able to max rank in later levels and keep up. 42 should be ok with most stuff correct?

Impaqt
03-20-2008, 12:01 PM
I'm gonna double check this tonight. I know Kilgans off Timer. Perhaps Its been lowered since Borror figured out that it was a 50+.

Borror0
03-20-2008, 12:23 PM
Not that its a huge jump, but I was intimidating him on a 2 with a +49 two nights ago

Yeah, the DC is 51. So, 50+1, success!!


Against the pit fiend, I am pretty sure that I was taking a -8 penalty (been a week or so since I was in there on my fighter, so don't really remember) .. is he size-class gargantuan or something?

Yes, you got -8 versus him. So, it's +54 to get him all the time, for a DC of 55.


42 should be ok with most stuff correct?

It will be enough, pretty sure of that... but not 100%.


Perhaps Its been lowered since Borror figured out that it was a 50+.

Dates of module 6, maybe 6.1... but not totally sure.

Angelus_dead
03-20-2008, 12:28 PM
(Dont forget abotu the -4 SIze Penalty if your a Halfling/Facing a Giant TYpe)
Halflings get the -4 size penalty against every monster, even kobolds. In effect, it's a flat -4 racial skill penalty.

Oh and be thankful that when phase 5 Arraetrikos uses his Giant Growth power, he doesn't get the additional -4 intimidate penalty his new size is entitled to.

Illuminati
03-20-2008, 12:38 PM
Okay, thanks all. Basically I am going to dump nimble fingers (will put me at 59DD / 50 OL) for SF:Intim and grab Bullheaded for my level 16 feat.
Should put me at:

9 Ranks
15 Item
6 Charisma
3 Enhancement
2 Luck
3 Skill Focus
2 Bull Headed
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40 (44 w/ Greater Hero)

rimble
03-20-2008, 12:59 PM
I haven't figured out how all the Greensteel stuff works, but you can get more from those too with the Exceptional Charisma (+3 Charisma, so +1 or +2 Intimidate?) and Exceptional Charisma Skills (+6?) enchantments.

Illuminati
03-20-2008, 01:11 PM
Would have to be a + Spell Points item =(

Eventually I will have SP with 6 pally but not really worth it.

rimble
03-20-2008, 01:13 PM
Would have to be a + Spell Points item =(

Eventually I will have SP with 6 pally but not really worth it.

Yeah, was just thinking it'd be something to put on for the high watermark fights, but you probably have higher green steel priorities.

Illuminati
03-20-2008, 01:17 PM
True that. Have my ranger done, still have to do my pally, hybrid and barb.

Meh, 44 (w/ GH) is mostly fine. I'll just see do some tests.

Dragon Shards FTW!

binnsr
03-20-2008, 01:51 PM
Would have to be a + Spell Points item =(

Eventually I will have SP with 6 pally but not really worth it.


Yeah, was just thinking it'd be something to put on for the high watermark fights, but you probably have higher green steel priorities.
I went +5 will save (P) and +2 cha skills (wasted 50sp) .. and the true res clicky for my TN fighter who will never have any other way of bringing folks up :)

haven't quite decided yet which way i'm going with the 3rd tier..

Impaqt
03-20-2008, 09:14 PM
Testing as we Speak, Trying to get a caster to help Control Eles. I bought a set of Fearsome Full Plate, but the eles seem to be Immune for some reason......

My Intim is sitting at 37 Unbuffed right now and I'm Getting a +29 Check agaisnt the reaver.... Thats rather odd I think... Giant Vs. Dwarf should only be -4 shouldnt it?

Anyway...

4+29 Failure
8+29 Failure
10+29 failure
17+29 Success!
18+29 Success!

EDIT: OK, Now i see where the Confusion is..... I said 42-44 because thats what >I< have to roll after modifiers are taken into consideration.... Cow saw my Testing LFG and we figured out that me and borror are actually sayig the same thing, just hes Premodifier, i'm Post-Modifier.

Reavers Intimidate failure is actualy a 43, but since Dwarves are rolling at -8 size penalty, we need a 50 in order to succeed every time. hope that clears it up. I didnt think i was nuts....

TreknaQudane
03-20-2008, 09:19 PM
Testing as we Speak, Trying to get a caster to help Control Eles. I bought a set of Fearsome Full Plate, but the eles seem to be Immune for some reason......

My Intim is sitting at 37 Unbuffed right now and I'm Getting a +29 Check agaisnt the reaver.... Thats rather odd I think... Giant Vs. Dwarf should only be -4 shouldnt it?

Anyway...

4+29 Failure
8+29 Failure
10+29 failure
17+29 Success!
18+29 Success!

Not quite. Size is factored in, even if you're a dwarf.

You're a Medium Sized Creature, he's a Huge Sized. Thats a 2 category difference so you should be getting a -8 to your check.
Atleast you're not a halfling, you'd be getting -12 :)

To Further Expand. If you are a Medium Creature using intimidate you have the follow bonuses/penalties based you your opponents Size Category

Fine +16
Diminutive +12
Tiny +8
Small +4
Medium 0
Large -4
Huge -8
Gargantuan -12
Collosal -16

Borror0
03-20-2008, 11:10 PM
My Intim is sitting at 37 Unbuffed right now and I'm Getting a +29 Check agaisnt the reaver.... Thats rather odd I think... Giant Vs. Dwarf should only be -4 shouldnt it?

See what Trekna Qu'dane said.


EDIT: OK, Now i see where the Confusion is..... I said 42-44 because thats what >I< have to roll after modifiers are taken into consideration.... Cow saw my Testing LFG and we figured out that me and borror are actually sayig the same thing, just hes Premodifier, i'm Post-Modifier.

I was using unmodified as I wasn't sure what the size penalty for him was. I just remember that when I reached level 16, I wasn't going to miss him on a 1.

Riot
03-24-2008, 07:46 AM
Curently the only mob I fail against is the Pit Fiend.

I'm sitting at a 44 Intimidate completely UnBUFFED, for the most part. (It can be 48 but that's with different gear.)

Bull headed would add 2 more. If I were to take that as well.

At the moment what I have works well, Not planning on changing my set up at the moment jsut for the Pit Fiend.

Borror0
03-24-2008, 09:16 AM
Curently the only mob I fail against is the Pit Fiend.

I failed versus the named Earth Elemental in the Shroud in Elite.