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lucid8
02-27-2008, 12:18 PM
I have been playing this currently tested to lvl 13 and its awsome... very balanced in stats and can still do well with a bow when i need to. played and tested lots of builds, and this straight ranger build is excellent. Also when fighting favored baddies its unstoppable. +12 damage thats = to 24 extra str in damage vs all favored. you could squeeze a little more dps upping str only lvln up. but 1 hit/dam
vs 1hit range 1 ac and 1 reflex save was more important to me. Build also has very good HP. Hope you like it!!




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Woodforged
Level 16 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(16 Ranger)
Hit Points: 228
Spell Points: 195
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 5

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16)
Strength 16 20 20
Dexterity 16 19 22
Constitution 17 18 20
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 10 11 11
Charisma 6 6 6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead

Level 2 (Ranger)

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility

Level 4 (Ranger)

Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack

Level 7 (Ranger)

Level 8 (Ranger)

Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider

Level 11 (Ranger)

Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting

Level 13 (Ranger)

Level 14 (Ranger)

Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental

Level 16 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance III
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II

nbhs275
02-27-2008, 12:40 PM
your missing out on tempest. Trust me, the bonuses are definatly worth the cost.

MysticRhythms
02-27-2008, 01:00 PM
I think I'd prefer Power Attack with Rapiers over Khopeshes. Power Attack is insanely strong on a Tempest.

lucid8
02-27-2008, 01:08 PM
i have tempest its an enhancement not a feat. and dual kopesh without power attack does more DPS than power attacked raipiers, especially on high ac mobs the x3 crits push it ahead (which i run all elite content so for me kopesh is the winner but don't get me wrong rapiers are great weapons.

nbhs275
02-27-2008, 11:11 PM
i have tempest its an enhancement not a feat. and dual kopesh without power attack does more DPS than power attacked raipiers, especially on high ac mobs the x3 crits push it ahead (which i run all elite content so for me kopesh is the winner but don't get me wrong rapiers are great weapons.

ran the numbers, a rapier with PA vs a khpesh, and the rapiers ahead

even works with plain weapons and no str

1d6 +5 pa rapier (6-11 15-20/x2) 10.625 average hit

1d8 khpesh (1-8 17-20/x3)
6.075 average

Or with max possible stats

1d6 +5 weapon +5 PA +8 bard songs +13 str + 12 FE (44-49 15-20/x2)58.125 average

1d8 +5 weapon +8 bard songs +13 str + 12 FE (39-46 17-20/x3)57.375 average

The rapier is going to do more damage overal then the khopesh, and saves on feats, considering you can go rapier/light pick for the same damage, and not need to spend a feat to save 2 attack bonus.

Another big gaping whole is your ac. With no body feat and a rather low dex your gunna be easy pickings in these elite quests. Tho im not sure what quests your running where your having trouble hitting with a +30 on elite.

lucid8
02-27-2008, 11:30 PM
ran the numbers, a rapier with PA vs a khpesh, and the rapiers ahead

even works with plain weapons and no str

1d6 +5 pa rapier (6-11 15-20/x2) 10.625 average hit

1d8 khpesh (1-8 17-20/x3)
6.075 average

Or with max possible stats

1d6 +5 weapon +5 PA +8 bard songs +13 str + 12 FE (44-49 15-20/x2)58.125 average

1d8 +5 weapon +8 bard songs +13 str + 12 FE (39-46 17-20/x3)57.375 average

The rapier is going to do more damage overal then the khopesh, and saves on feats, considering you can go rapier/light pick for the same damage, and not need to spend a feat to save 2 attack bonus.

Another big gaping whole is your ac. With no body feat and a rather low dex your gunna be easy pickings in these elite quests. Tho im not sure what quests your running where your having trouble hitting with a +30 on elite.

what ac are u running your numbers against???????????????????? since power attack lowers u a whole tier on to hit properties??????? I mean yes if you land every blow its better but ac plays a part and you WILL miss more with PA and dual wielding runnign (-7 to hit and your averages are skewed unless you are hitting on anything but a 1 through your ENTIRE attack progression which you and I both know SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE) and my ac is 44 which is pretty darn good for no shield and no combat expertise. again we can run all the numbers we want but i've run this toon (for real, not just on paper and he is increadable. ) BTW thanks for the imput I'm not trolling or anything i don't post much but seriously this build is really applicable. At least for me i enjoy him very much. and if you can seriously show me vs high ac that the rapier out dps dual kopesh i will switch but you have shown me no ac numbers.... btw i would rather run scimitar than rapier just for the look so since they have the same stat line i really want u to proove to me that at high ac mobs its better.... Cause ill swich just for the estetics of loving scimitars personally...

nbhs275
02-27-2008, 11:35 PM
16 bab + 4 gh +5 weapon + 13 str -5 pa = 33. What mobs are you fighting that have more then a 35 ac? very few non named, even on elite, have anything higher then that. And the best part of PA is you can shut it off.

Im still wondering how a build with such a weak ac and low hitpoints can live long enough to even be concerned with fighting.

nbhs275
02-27-2008, 11:42 PM
what ac are u running your numbers against???????????????????? since power attack lowers u a whole tier on to hit properties??????? and my ac is 44 which is pretty darn good for no shield and no combat expertise. again we can run all the numbers we want but i've run this toon (for real, not just on paper and he is increadable. ) BTW thanks for the imput I'm not trolling or anything i don't post much but seriously this build is really applicable. At least for me i enjoy him very much. and if you can seriously show me vs high ac that the rapier out dps dual kopesh i will switch but you have shown me no ac numbers....

yeah, and i also have my build capped and equipped. 51 ac TWF, and still 2 pieces of raid loot away from having a 55 standing twf ac.

What server are you on, healthy competition seems in order.

lucid8
02-27-2008, 11:58 PM
16 bab + 4 gh +5 weapon + 13 str -5 pa = 33. What mobs are you fighting that have more then a 35 ac? very few non named, even on elite, have anything higher then that. And the best part of PA is you can shut it off.

Im still wondering how a build with such a weak ac and low hitpoints can live long enough to even be concerned with fighting.

how can u consider any toon with a 26 con to be weak of HP??? and will you give me your build (as im not against being outclassed seriously im always looking for something better)

nbhs275
02-28-2008, 12:20 AM
http://http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=126943

Without alot of additional items, your still going to only have around 300 hp

20 base
10 draconic
128 ranger
128 con
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286

30 GFL
18 minos
__________
334

right about where i am(no gfl tho). Not horrible, but its not great. I personally hate being squishy, and even at 340 feel like another 20 buffer would be welcome.

lucid8
02-28-2008, 12:23 AM
also after some thought how are you at 51 "standing" twf ac without giving up huge amnts of str and con. also to achive the ac you are speaking of you need combat expertise (no power attack then) and multiclassing yourself out of favored enemy damage ac resits and to hit period. I mean sorry to say it sounds like "your build gets like 5 free feats and lots of extra enhancement points that just aren't possible... (please post the build as i'm sure if all this is possible at once everyone will be playing your build including me..??

nbhs275
02-28-2008, 11:49 AM
10 base
5 mithral body
6 docent
1 dodge
2 choasguard
5 protection
5 bark
8 dex
2 tempest
4 parrying
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48 standing, 51 once i have my chattering ring.
also can get

+4 shield clickie(or cake)
+4 bard
+4 pally
+1 haste
+3 favored
+2 recitation
+2 boost
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71 fully boosted, still twf. I would say a independent 51 twf is good, 58 with a shield. Nevermind the 20 points boost you can get from a good party/fe enemy.


Im also 13/3 ranger fighter, so i only have 2 more feats, and lose out on 1 FE and 2 damage. But Im not really worried about the 1 FE, especially if all your going to spend yours on is elemental. and the 2 vs FE isnt nearly as good as my +6 damage against all mobs.

lucid8
02-28-2008, 12:49 PM
which item gives a +4 parry bonus i would like one cause if i had it my ac would only be 1 less than yours (on my weak ac build)

nbhs275
02-28-2008, 12:54 PM
made it in from the shroud crafting.

and unless your using a +8 dex item and +3 tome, your not going to be at the same ac. i get 11 from my docent and body, your only getting 7.

FoeHammer
02-28-2008, 01:06 PM
nbhs,

mithral body has a max dex bonus of +5

how do you get +8 from dex?

daggertooth belt is only +2 from fighter armor mastery, which is not listed, for +7 total

I am guessing your +4 'parrying' bonus is the +4 insight bonus from Green Steel wpn?

lucid8
02-28-2008, 01:43 PM
made it in from the shroud crafting.

and unless your using a +8 dex item and +3 tome, your not going to be at the same ac. i get 11 from my docent and body, your only getting 7.

ummm my dex is 28 for a +9 bonus with only a +1 tome with a +3 tome it would be 10 which is 2 less i guess if you are spending a feat on mithril fluitdity. and +6 docent i can get for +8 this all done without dagger tooth belt (coveted belt slot) and a feat on mithril fuididty to achive +8 dex bonus. most "superior build" tips on ac you are giving me is just better gear this was a build post not a gear one, as with the same gear actually less gear (dagger tooth belt) and less feats i can achieve pretty close to if not the same ac

nbhs275
02-28-2008, 02:32 PM
nbhs,

mithral body has a max dex bonus of +5

how do you get +8 from dex?

daggertooth belt is only +2 from fighter armor mastery, which is not listed, for +7 total

I am guessing your +4 'parrying' bonus is the +4 insight bonus from Green Steel wpn?

mithral fluidity

and yes, the parrying is the insight, same bonus type.

as far as your dex

16 base
+1 tome
+6 item
+3 enhancment
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26, so you spent points on it at lvls what? 8 & 12? my str is a 30 standing, yours is what again?

i have to use a belt slot on the daggertooth, but you also need to spend a slot on the +6 dex.