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Za_P
02-12-2008, 05:04 PM
I have a Lvl 15 Dwarven Fighter with the Toughness Feat selected 4 times

I have also removed all my gear to make this simple.

Fighter 10 HP per Level
21 Con +5 HP per Level
Draconic Vitality Feat +10HP
Heroic Vitality Feat +20 HP
Toughness Feat increases hit points by 3HP for 1st Lvl and 1 for each additional level
Fighter Toughness Enhancement Lvl 4 +20HP per Toughness Feat
Dwarven Toughness Enhancement Lvl 4 +20HP per Toughness Feat

In game I have 423 hit points. Which breaks down to (as described by mousing over HP on the Character Tab):
150 Base
75 Constitution Bonus
198 Feat bonus

My hit points should be:

Total HP=(10*15)+(5*15)+10+20+((3*4)+(4*(1*14)))+(4*20)+ (4*20)=483

The Base and Con Bonus are correct. However if you subtract Draconic Vitality Feat and the Heroic Vitality Feat I have a Feat Bonus of 168. 168 should then be the Feat Bonus associated with my Toughness Feats and Enhancments. 168/4=42. According to my calculations the bonus associated to Toughness Feats and Enhancements should = ((3*4)+(4*(1*14)))+(4*20)+(4*20) or 228 or 57 per Toughness Feat.

I have opened a bug report and tried in game GM three times with no resolution. If you look at the numbers the issue is not one of toughness not being applied retroactively to level 1 (example Toughness Feat selected at 1st, 3rd, 12th and 15th - (57+54+46+43=200)

Can someone please explain this issue to me.

Arnya
02-12-2008, 05:12 PM
Same problem

397HP down to 323HP on a 2brb/13rgr Dwarf.

bobbryan2
02-12-2008, 05:18 PM
I have a Lvl 15 Dwarven Fighter with the Toughness Feat selected 4 times

I have also removed all my gear to make this simple.

Fighter 10 HP per Level
21 Con +5 HP per Level
Draconic Vitality Feat +10HP
Heroic Vitality Feat +20 HP
Toughness Feat increases hit points by 3HP for 1st Lvl and 1 for each additional level
Fighter Toughness Enhancement Lvl 4 +20HP per Toughness Feat
Dwarven Toughness Enhancement Lvl 4 +20HP per Toughness Feat

In game I have 423 hit points. Which breaks down to (as described by mousing over HP on the Character Tab):
150 Base
75 Constitution Bonus
198 Feat bonus

My hit points should be:

Total HP=(10*15)+(5*15)+10+20+((3*4)+(4*(1*14)))+(4*20)+ (4*20)=483

The Base and Con Bonus are correct. However if you subtract Draconic Vitality Feat and the Heroic Vitality Feat I have a Feat Bonus of 168. 168 should then be the Feat Bonus associated with my Toughness Feats and Enhancments. 168/4=42. According to my calculations the bonus associated to Toughness Feats and Enhancements should = ((3*4)+(4*(1*14)))+(4*20)+(4*20) or 228 or 57 per Toughness Feat.

I have opened a bug report and tried in game GM three times with no resolution. If you look at the numbers the issue is not one of toughness not being applied retroactively to level 1 (example Toughness Feat selected at 1st, 3rd, 12th and 15th - (57+54+46+43=200)

Can someone please explain this issue to me.

Lvl 15 fighter = 150 hp
standard bonus = 20 hp
Toughness feat = (15 + 3)x4 = 72 hp
Toughness enhancements = 100 hp (you don't get them per toughness feat... you get 50 hp for each enhancement line... but only once)
Con bonus = 75
Draconic vitality = 10

so.. I get 427...

Unless I'm totally screwing my math up... not sure why I get 4 hp more than you have.

02-12-2008, 05:51 PM
Fighter Toughness Enhancement Lvl 4 +20HP per Toughness Feat
Dwarven Toughness Enhancement Lvl 4 +20HP per Toughness Feat

Total HP=(10*15)+(5*15)+10+20+((3*4)+(4*(1*14)))+(4*20)+ (4*20)=483You do not get Toughness enhancements for every feat. Toughness feat is a one-time prerequisite for Toughness enhancements. So, it's just +20+20 HP.

Za_P
02-12-2008, 06:21 PM
Bobbryan2 I think you have it.

Your 4 more than my math because you did 4*15 insted of 4*14. Its 3 for first and 1 every other lvl.

Other than that it looks dead on. Thanks for explaining.

I wish they did a better job explaining that in the compendium.

Harncw
02-12-2008, 06:24 PM
4 times?