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xope
11-09-2007, 12:36 AM
I run with a lvl 14 cleric on khyber and people always say "hey Zope throw me a heal " obvisouly they ask me that when im out of mana ....A good way to get a cleric to join a group is say "will donate wands" that would help us out alot !! And people always say there tired of waiting for a cleric.......well we clerics DO NOT get really anything from a quest sure we will get a thanks or something like that sure that helps it but seriously clerics need a break we heal ALL THE TIME and Battleclerics is popular because the can play 2 roles a fighter a healer which makes them not so boring also if ur out of mana on a Battle cleric u can just go straight to healing and tanking it out .And also we use Mnomonics like any other normal item We havea -1 to loot or something .....im always tired of supporting a party without wands or plat givin in return but if u ask me to heal you PROVIDE Your OWN WANDS!!!!LOL let me put it this way clerics really get a down on a quest cause the rely on something anything u never know . Think about it if a party member donated 2k to a cleric for each quest 2x6=12kpp which is alot for some or a cure serious wand thats 300 charges of healing .... i just want to plea plz give us a break and share some money its hard to live like a cleric. To end with i Know clerics shouldnt rely on wands or anything at that but u ar forced to when u have a zerging mana sponge










I would like to say ty all that donate to me and the cleric foundation

Arianrhod
11-09-2007, 06:57 AM
Unfortunately, I think it's mostly the people who don't read the forums that don't realize clerics a)use wands on them and b)could really use some donations to defray the cost of doing so. Might help to mention that in group - if nothing else, can ask the zerging barbarian to please fight in the firewall or you're going to have to carry his stone to the next fight to save money ;)

transtemporal
11-12-2007, 04:26 PM
I think people who have never played a cleric before don't know how expensive it is: wands, rez scrolls. I have a clr at 4 and already I can see it becoming expensive. :rolleyes: My sorc always carries a couple of rez scrolls and a couple of cure serious wands for the healer if they're wandwhipping or scrollcasting. Most times I offer them anyway. Gotta spread the love. :)

binnsr
11-12-2007, 04:34 PM
I think people who have never played a cleric before don't know how expensive it is: wands, rez scrolls. I have a clr at 4 and already I can see it becoming expensive. :rolleyes: My sorc always carries a couple of rez scrolls and a couple of cure serious wands for the healer if they're wandwhipping or scrollcasting. Most times I offer them anyway. Gotta spread the love. :)

I have a capped cleric who rarely has a death -- the only scrolls I use are greater restoration and the occasional heal (mostly this stack is for doomsphere runs - and I certainly don't use those on the other members in that quest :D) scroll. I do have a small stack of resurrection and raise dead, but I honestly don't think I've used one in a month or more (and she gets game time 3 nights out of 4 these days).

Sure, she burned a little cash while I was growing her, but without receiving a single donation in her career, she's been consistently my richest character to date.

Pfamily
11-12-2007, 04:42 PM
I don't play a cleric, but know a few fairly well and I do feel your pain about the expense of wands.scrolls etc. I usually remember to tip the healer, but no one ever made me a tip calculator. What do you all think is a reasonable donation to make to your friendly in-party cleric?

xope
11-12-2007, 04:47 PM
i think lvl 1-3 doesnt need a donation unless ur donating 100pp
4-6 1kpp or 500pp if ur poor
7-9 5kpp for those rez scrolls they buy
10-12 8kpp for scrolls of heal
13-14 same as 10-12



Instead of pp you can donate wands.

Pfamily
11-12-2007, 04:49 PM
i think lvl 1-3 doesnt need a donation unless ur donating 100pp
4-6 1kpp or 500pp if ur poor
7-9 5kpp for those rez scrolls they buy
10-12 8kpp for scrolls of heal
13-14 same as 10-12



Instead of pp you can donate wands.

Geez...I'm rolling a cleric!
:D

Impaqt
11-12-2007, 04:51 PM
I have a Blurb in my Bios asking people to take care of their Clerics......

If they do, great, If not, No Big deal.

If you cant afford and dont enjoy your cleric, then you should probobly play another class.

If you never get any donations then theres a couple posibilites...

The People you play with dont have the plat themselves.......

Or

Your not that good at clericing....

xope
11-12-2007, 04:53 PM
MY cleric i love him to death he makes me wanna play ddo and not quit im just saying a donation here or there would help out

binnsr
11-12-2007, 04:57 PM
If you never get any donations then theres a couple posibilites...

The People you play with dont have the plat themselves.......

Or

Your not that good at clericing....

Make blanket statements much?
Walk a mile in other folks shoes before assuming that they're bad clerics because they don't rely on other folks handouts to survive.

I have never asked for and will never ask for my party members to carry my cleric through *any* quest. I usually get floated the odd CSW or CCW wand out of chests and occasionally I'll have someone offer to buy me a CSW wand or two - but since I haven't used the other 10 that I have accumulated in my pack, I usually tell them to save it.

caliestro
11-12-2007, 05:25 PM
i have a lvl 14 cleric he is tough to manage. just to keep funds up. i would spend about 2 wands 3 rez scrolls and 3 heal scrolls for non-raid missions. i only run my cleric in a guild raid. if the party seems spongy i ask if any of them have clerics. i rarely have a death in my party cause i sit there and monitor a quest. it just sucks because people only look for clerics i have a guildie who has a bard who can keep up with 80% of the best clerics on our server. he has to hunt for a group. i don't care what class joins my group if i am on any of my toons. i would run the abbott without a cleric and i would run the dragon without a rezzer and healer. its the parties OWN obligation to be aware of how you fight if you don't heal yourself then ur not a good player. the cleric really is there to monitor and make sure that a party doesn't wipe. i had one guildie who only made fighter types till i forced him to make a cleric so he can understand the difficulty of being a healer and being a fighter. once he made that type of player he became a twice as better player as a fighter and a cleric because he can monitor his own health and others in the party. when i am on my alts i can tell when others need my assistance. if i am on my ranger or pally i toss remove disease on people when needed. pally and mages i toss remove curse cause i carry the wands. the best type of player is those who don't rely on others to succeed. my rogue carries wands of resist my ranger has remove curse pots my sorc and wizzy have lesser restore pots and all of them have a manner of healing. just seems that those who post up just for cleric and those who don't assist with fundage should evaluate themselves again and think about the bigger picture. am i really not that good cause i have to have these classes in my group to finish a quest???

Impaqt
11-12-2007, 05:52 PM
Make blanket statements much? Yes, as a matter of fact, I do
Walk a mile in other folks shoes before assuming that they're bad clerics because they don't rely on other folks handouts to survive.

I have never asked for and will never ask for my party members to carry my cleric through *any* quest. I usually get floated the odd CSW or CCW wand out of chests and occasionally I'll have someone offer to buy me a CSW wand or two - but since I haven't used the other 10 that I have accumulated in my pack, I usually tell them to save it.


Does that make them Wrong?

I have no idea what our complaining about..... I never said clerics who dont take donations are bad......

I play 3 diferent Cleric Builds...... I have a fair amount of Plat and Loot.... I dont turn down donations and get them a lot..... THen again, I spend significantly more resources than an average cleric because I DO have fun with my clerics... I cant ever imagine aving too many wands, Res scrolls or Heal scrolls.... I use my mana as a last resort for healing usually.... I'm throwing down Offensive and CC Spells to help the party as well.

I'm really not sure why you feel offended by my statement..... Seems to me you play with folks who have a lot of money or do indeed think your a good cleric.... regardless of whether you accept the donation all the time or not.....

binnsr
11-12-2007, 06:17 PM
I'm really not sure why you feel offended by my statement.....

me either .. seems that I'm more eager to be offended the later in the day it gets at work .. I should have a blanket policy of not perusing these forums when work sucks :D

Is it too late to apologize for the tone of that last post? :)

Impaqt
11-12-2007, 06:19 PM
me either .. seems that I'm more eager to be offended the later in the day it gets at work .. I should have a blanket policy of not perusing these forums when work sucks :D

Is it too late to apologize for the tone of that last post? :)

No Problem :)

Cant say I've never typed something without thinking it all the way through :eek:

Mapa
11-12-2007, 06:21 PM
it just sucks because people only look for clerics i have a guildie who has a bard who can keep up with 80% of the best clerics on our server. he has to hunt for a group.

QFT


This coming from a guy that has to be reminded to throw Fighter Crack when he plays his caster!!! :p

I am either Cali's example or the one he forgot. I don't know how a cleric can keep up without guild support.

P.S. If you ever group with me, say something before or after a quest, Most PUG Clerics I run across tend to drop group before I remember those heals and / or rezzes while lost in the "what am I going to take as an end reward" analysis. I tend to tip better at the end and I don't consider it begging. I also don't mind if you tell me to put a shield on, that goes for my rogue too.

narizue
11-12-2007, 06:29 PM
Heya Binnsr,

Yah got to remember that you roll your cleric in guild or friend of guild groups 90% of the time, and that most of the folks that we roll with are militantly self-sufficent. Its cheap to heal in those situations. Its when you are playing with less self-sufficent players that the bills really roll in. With Hemdal I spend plat to have play mana. I could get by without using scrolls and wands but would be bored silly.

When pugging with my cleric(a rare occurance indeed) it can get expensive, unless there are at least a couple of solid folks in the group.

DSL
11-12-2007, 06:47 PM
i think lvl 1-3 doesnt need a donation unless ur donating 100pp
4-6 1kpp or 500pp if ur poor
7-9 5kpp for those rez scrolls they buy
10-12 8kpp for scrolls of heal
13-14 same as 10-12


Instead of pp you can donate wands.

Sorry, but this seems kind of excessive, considering it's more than I will often make in one session with a given group/cleric. Look at it this way: You're doing pretty well for yourself if you can manage an overall take of 2000pp/chest at level 12-14, and I would say 1500pp is more realistic. This means that it would take 5-6 chests to clear your suggested 8k pp donation (my experience is that 5-10 k pp/hour is average, depending on what you're doing). It's pretty common that a cleric who's PUGging it won't stick around for much more than that, so what you're suggesting is that I donate to the cleric all or more than what I'm making from a run. I'm happy to donate to a cleric, especially after a particularly trying excursion, but I would like to make some profit overall. One thing I often do is to choose Mnemonic potions from the reward list (assuming there's nothing better) and donate these instead.

xope
11-12-2007, 07:04 PM
I know it is a little excessive id probally drop each lvl by 2kpp

narizue
11-12-2007, 08:48 PM
I have a cleric myself. I don't tip often. But when I do I tip well. Of course I also arrive at the quest prepared to be self-sufficent.

Personally I would prefer if the tips that folks throw to clerics would be directed into some solid gear for themselves that does not include the "crappy-mid tier weapon of greater crappy mob bane." Resistance cloaks. Healing pots. Disease/Poison Immunity items. Lesser restoration clickies. The time to farm Visors of the Flesh Rendor Guard. A properly prepared characters really has no need to tip a cleric, because unless things go really bad, they are not costing the cleric much if at all.

Hvymetal
11-13-2007, 04:12 AM
Xope, do you remember to tip your bard?;)

Cowdenicus
11-13-2007, 06:45 AM
I do not understand the entire you need to tip a cleric thing. Sure they are helpful and all, and if you pug I can say almost necessary, but one relaly does need to watch out who you are pugging with.

Odds are good (I will use Ghallanda for my example) if I am pugging with my cleric and I get in a group with a bunch of guys from Cataclysm or Face Stabbers, or KaTeT (I am sure I am missing many other decent to great guilds on the server, but I woke up 10 minutes ago so nyah :D ) it will be a pretty solid group. i.e. low cost.

Arianrhod
11-13-2007, 07:36 AM
I do not understand the entire you need to tip a cleric thing. Sure they are helpful and all, and if you pug I can say almost necessary, but one relaly does need to watch out who you are pugging with.

Odds are good (I will use Ghallanda for my example) if I am pugging with my cleric and I get in a group with a bunch of guys from Cataclysm or Face Stabbers, or KaTeT (I am sure I am missing many other decent to great guilds on the server, but I woke up 10 minutes ago so nyah :D ) it will be a pretty solid group. i.e. low cost.

I'd go with how much of the cleric's resources you're using. If you're a barbarian who likes to rush in and absorb tons of damage with your high hit points, it would be courteous to hand the cleric a few cure serious wands, or a stack of heal scrolls. If you're a rogue who takes care never to get hit, there's no reason to feel obligated to make donations. It's nice if you do, but I don't see why it should be expected.

BurnerD
11-13-2007, 08:33 AM
Normally I don't care too much about donations, and wouldn't ask for them. Enough people donate where it works out.

The only situation the torques me off are titan raids. I've been in great groups where donations are made and the number of scrolls used is really minimal whereas donations weren't even necessary. Then there are the pug leaders who tell me I have to buy 200 Mass Cure Scrolls and 100 Heals to participate and then offer nothing to help with the cost... I've learn my lesson and now just say no thanks and drop group. Usually it takes them forever after that to find a cleric.

Of course it always comes down to the quality of the party also. If you are playing a cleric and going into debt you can:
A. Be more selective with who you play with.
B. Refuse to spend alot.. If you run out of mana a few minutes into the quest because your are playing with idiots tell them no more mana and I don't have any wands or scrolls ... didn't think I would need them in this easy of a quest...
C. More loot runs... I refuse to use wands or scrolls on easy loot runs. Run something like Beyond the Grave a bunch of times... easy to make some plat that way.

If you are really lucky you will run into that rare player who will donate so much you won't have to buy anything for weeks. I had a guy donate 50K plat and 99 heal scrolls once. I thought that was really above and beyond....

xope
11-13-2007, 08:59 AM
Xope, do you remember to tip your bard?;)

On my 14 fighter i usally tip a bard every raid cause they will hopefully come in with heal scrolls and rez scrolls . They will save you from a party wipe

Strakeln
11-13-2007, 10:00 AM
I tip based on how much of a sponge I was. So if I'm playing my sorc or ranger, I generally don't tip (unless some guildies were zerging like crazy and I feel bad for the pickup cleric). You might get a tip if I'm on my barbarian, but he's incredibly self-sufficient so I generally don't bother unless I screwed up.

I also retroactively tip... when I run into a bunch of cash I will usually send cash or stacks of 100 heal scrolls to clerics who have been supporting me.

As a level 14, the smallest tip I give out is 10kpp. All tips are at the end of the quest, I've been burned by clerics who get tipped and leave before the quest gets underway, or who get tipped then never bother to heal anyone, etc etc.

transtemporal
11-14-2007, 07:33 PM
Would you guys please stop ruining our sweet "tip the poor cleric" scam?! :D

You guys have convinced me. I've decided my clr is just going to carry a couple of emergency wands (for my mates and guildies if they're lucky) and a stack of potions for himself. My clr isn't rich enough to buy endless wands anyway.

Well... that was liberating... :)

Elleron
11-14-2007, 07:40 PM
I have had to syphon money to my cleric from my other toons, but if you get one great or good donation (a guildy gave me 15 cure serious wands) so I have been using my money on scrolls - heal, raise dead, etc. But if all else fails fill in your bio like mine:

"it is more mana effective to raise you, than to heal you constantly".

Arnya
11-14-2007, 08:28 PM
"it is more mana effective to raise you, than to heal you constantly".

You may want to edit your sig, kinda means something totally different :)

I was taught proper english and my biggest pet peeve is people using then instead of than...

Especially when someone says 'I'm smarter then you'.... oxymoron anyone?

Thrudh
11-14-2007, 08:29 PM
If you're broke as a cleric, that's YOUR choice...

I've played a cleric (and a healing bard) to cap... I don't need or want donations...

It's simple... If it's a good party (but maybe a hard quest, or we have some bad luck), I'll use up as many wands and scrolls as needed... Most times, good parties run smooth and I easily make money on those runs...

If it's a bad party, I may use up a wand and a scroll or two, but then I STOP. I tell them, "Guys, I'm out of wands and scrolls, and low on SP.. We're going to have to play smarter".

And amazingly... lots of times a bad party will suddenly become a decent party, and we make it through playing smart (and without costing me any more money). Or maybe they'll hand me a bunch of wands, and we'll continue on playing like fools (but at least it's not costing my any more money)

And if they don't change?? Well, exp is a lot easier to get in this game than gold... If someone dies, they die... If we wipe, we wipe... It's good lesson for all involved...

I CHOOSE not to spend all my cash helping bad players... and therefore my cleric is rich....

End of story.

xope
11-14-2007, 08:36 PM
I am not adding that a cleric gets tipped every quest.. all im saying is that a cleric needs a tip atleast during a pug raid. A guild raid is different of course becuase it is your guild.

DoctorWhofan
11-14-2007, 08:41 PM
I have a Blurb in my Bios asking people to take care of their Clerics......

If they do, great, If not, No Big deal.

If you cant afford and dont enjoy your cleric, then you should probobly play another class.

If you never get any donations then theres a couple posibilites...

The People you play with dont have the plat themselves.......

Or

Your not that good at clericing....

agreed

ErgonomicCat
11-14-2007, 08:44 PM
Normally I don't care too much about donations, and wouldn't ask for them. Enough people donate where it works out.

The only situation the torques me off are titan raids. I've been in great groups where donations are made and the number of scrolls used is really minimal whereas donations weren't even necessary. Then there are the pug leaders who tell me I have to buy 200 Mass Cure Scrolls and 100 Heals to participate and then offer nothing to help with the cost... I've learn my lesson and now just say no thanks and drop group. Usually it takes them forever after that to find a cleric.

Uh?

Please tell me that's not a common situation? Please?

Because, wow. I mean...wow.

Did you respond with "Sure, no problem. I need you to go buy 100 remove paralysis pots and 1000 cure serious pots"?

Hadrian
11-26-2007, 10:40 PM
Often clerics don't realize how much everyone else in their group spends because they've been trained to assume clerics are the only ones who should bring consumables to a quest.

I've had a cleric since August of '06, and I don't spend as much money on consumables for him as I do on my fighter/pally/rogue. My wizard seems to spend about the same.

Clerics are only obscenely expensive when you run with a group of players that expect you to babysit them. Part of that is because you have to make up for their lack of preparation by spending your own resources, and part of that is because these are generally less experienced players. If someone tries to be as self sufficient as possible, he's not costing the cleric anything more than the average character spends to run a quest.



The only situation the torques me off are titan raids. I've been in great groups where donations are made and the number of scrolls used is really minimal whereas donations weren't even necessary. Then there are the pug leaders who tell me I have to buy 200 Mass Cure Scrolls and 100 Heals to participate and then offer nothing to help with the cost... I've learn my lesson and now just say no thanks and drop group. Usually it takes them forever after that to find a cleric.


I have a decent pool of spell points on my cleric, but nothing spectacular. I don't think I have run out of spell points on the Titan in months now. The first few times I ran it, I spent tens of thousands of platinum in scrolls. People seem to have it down now to where even most PUGs dont need much healing.

What gets you into trouble is the groups that insist on everyone standing above the laser and making the cleric try to mass heal the group while the Titan shoots them over and over and over. I haven't done it this way in quite a while, though.

bigj1608
11-26-2007, 11:15 PM
well, i help my cleric out by handing them a CMW wand mid-quest if they are doing their job well. otherwise, it is, for the most part, expected that a character focused around healing wouldn't mind the expense of wands, because they, without being forced to, chose to play that role.. sure, it never hurts to ask for a wand or donation.. but to make a post on the forums? i'd say that you're wasting your time..

again.. i always help, because i have a cleric of my own. i buy potions of every sort and wands of any kind i can use, but still.. dont play a cleric if you dont want to do your part.. that's just as much as bein a sorc and not castin stoneskin because it costs more than others..

don't bother, buy some wands, and go on with your gaming