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Luckylu
10-20-2007, 03:20 PM
Ok so I will get people who disagree and agree with me on this one, but I must say it. Thursday night I logged into the game after taking a couple hours off and BAMN my lvl 14 Sorc was not in my list.. i start to worry a little bit, knowing that ddo has constant bugs, and what do i find? I find my 32 point- lvl 14 sorc that i have had for nearly a year now with a new name.. the name of RENAMEDZZ was his name. I log in, and talk to a few friends I had online about it.. they said to type /changename and ofcourse THAT doesnt' work!!! why becuase I guess there was some infringement on a 3rd rate dc character with a similar name. Again, I have had him for nearly a year. So I contact a DM and wait about 25min. The anger swells up as it would for anyone who has been playing that long with a character you have come to love. When the DM contacts me he is very blunt that they do not have to give any reasons or explanations to my name change just that it is an infringement, and that I had to choose a new name then. I asked if I could have a token things so I could change my name when I was ready, like the /changename thing gives you. NO, I have to decide now, and again.. what do you rename yourself after having the character for a year??????
I understand that they have infringements, and all the rest and whatever though we have all seen others out there with BLATENT names, but I would not turn them in as someone has turned me in I guess. But a little courtasy to people with such long lasting names, and they do know how long we have had characters. Thank you I just wanted to air my upsetness.

Luckylu

Jket
10-20-2007, 04:30 PM
top notch customer service... i think its bs too. They dont tell you they are gonna change it, you have had the toon for almost a year... and they say its a infringement all of a sudden... BS turbine give him a name change token... seriously thats just a pathetic thing to do to a customer that pays 15$ a month...

:mad:

Boldrin
10-20-2007, 04:35 PM
Hate to say it, but I agree with Jket :p

Jket
10-20-2007, 04:36 PM
Hate to say it, but I agree with Jket :p

:D

Harncw
10-20-2007, 10:04 PM
that sux...

however what did you do for the 25 minutes that you waited for the DM?

Luckylu
10-21-2007, 08:20 AM
well lets see I was UBER ****ed off, talked to a friend in private chat about it, and he tried to help me he told me about the whole /changename thing. I was trying to watch tv with my wife, but coudlnt' help but watch the screen. What did you want me to do? I didnt' know who to email or call, or even if I could. I was pretty upset as this is one of my favorite characters.

Aranticus
10-21-2007, 08:42 AM
top notch customer service... i think its bs too. They dont tell you they are gonna change it, you have had the toon for almost a year... and they say its a infringement all of a sudden... BS turbine give him a name change token... seriously thats just a pathetic thing to do to a customer that pays 15$ a month...

:mad:

ket, dun blame turbine. blame the person who reported it. turbine does not search thru the database for name infringement. most of the time, its because of one person reporting the name before turbine takes action.

on the same point, it doesnt mean if your name is there for 1 year, it means the name is alright. i've seen many copyright/trademark lawsuits being filed becoz the other party did not notice until later. recently, i saw a chinese made car which looked exactly like a mercedes (even had the same logo). i'm just wondering how long it'll take before mercedes take out a lawsuit

that said, i do agree. give luckylu a name respec token.

Kregger
10-21-2007, 09:24 PM
I had the same problem too. Excpet they caught me in the middle of a quest. I was given a temp however and when I was ready to change they admins were more than ready to help me. as for someone reporting your name, unless its offensive I just don't see it happening.

Luckylu
10-21-2007, 10:23 PM
My name was Zzod, similar to Zod from superman, NOT offensive.

Falco_Easts
10-22-2007, 12:20 AM
My name was Zzod, similar to Zod from superman, NOT offensive.

OK that is just sad. If you hadn't of said I would have had no idea who Zod was or what was wrong with that name. Not as if it is a well known one.
As was said though, blame whoever reported you. Turbine wouldn't have done it on their own. Turbine are just covering their own bum from lawsuits by chainging names.

Emili
10-22-2007, 06:11 AM
That is sad they did not give you a token. They should at least give you a reasonable amout of time to think of a new name. Then again the online support in this game is not really much support. People reporting you for the use of Zod - that's pretty way out there, seems they'd have better things to do. I'd had been tempted to tell the GM you wanted the name Zzod as it is your real name and want the character named after you;) Then again I do not condone or recommend telling a fib;-)

lenric
10-22-2007, 06:46 AM
ket, dun blame turbine. blame the person who reported it. turbine does not search thru the database for name infringement. most of the time, its because of one person reporting the name before turbine takes action.

on the same point, it doesnt mean if your name is there for 1 year, it means the name is alright. i've seen many copyright/trademark lawsuits being filed becoz the other party did not notice until later. recently, i saw a chinese made car which looked exactly like a mercedes (even had the same logo). i'm just wondering how long it'll take before mercedes take out a lawsuit

that said, i do agree. give luckylu a name respec token.

I agree that luckylu should get a respec token and have some time to make the choice, but for an example of such lawsuits of infringement that come after a long time....think WWF or World Wrestling Federation...the WWF was around since before I was born, then recently in i believe 03 or something like that the WWF(world wildlife foundation) decided they wanted to be a jerk and make the WWF(wrestling) change their name...and as such we now have the WWE which I'm not even sure what stands for...I mean the WWE was around for at least a dozen years as the WWF before the wildlife foundation said anything....

Aranticus
10-22-2007, 07:53 AM
My name was Zzod, similar to Zod from superman, NOT offensive.

turbine code of conduct:

16. You may not upload or transmit copyrighted material to any aspect of the Game without the express consent of the copyright holder.

this is prolly what turbine used to rename you. zod is copyrighted, to whom i do not know. hence your name contravened this regulation and thus deem inappropiate. not offensive, but like what Falco mentioned, they are covering their behinds from potential lawsuits

Shaamis
10-22-2007, 08:32 AM
When I see Zzod running around, I think of the Superman movie, but I never thought to report it to Turbine. I have no problem with Zzod, as there are many more infringement close one's out there.

it sounds like someone was mad, and saw Zzod, and reported you. By you having that name for so long, it is a testament that Turbine doesn't actively troll the player name base.

Another option could be you beat down someone in PvP, and they decided to report you as a final revenge.

Just a thought.

Aranticus
10-22-2007, 10:23 AM
When I see Zzod running around, I think of the Superman movie, but I never thought to report it to Turbine. I have no problem with Zzod, as there are many more infringement close one's out there.

it sounds like someone was mad, and saw Zzod, and reported you. By you having that name for so long, it is a testament that Turbine doesn't actively troll the player name base.

Another option could be you beat down someone in PvP, and they decided to report you as a final revenge.

Just a thought.

truth be said, the limitations of human creativity would mean a name that you think up of could already be exisiting somewhere out there in the world unknown to us. with cultures and lifestyles being merged, its hard to come up with a "true" name.... oh well....

Svetelana
10-22-2007, 10:30 AM
turbine code of conduct:

16. You may not upload or transmit copyrighted material to any aspect of the Game without the express consent of the copyright holder.

Just out of curiousity, did they ask you if you had express consent of the copyright holder????

:)

Luckylu
10-22-2007, 10:36 AM
ofcourse NOT, they didn't ask me anything. I logged on and my name was already changed. And there was no way to change my name to anything but "RENAMEDZZ" unless I contacted a GM And waited forever for him to show up and help me. that is true I should call DC comics and ask them if i can use the name Zzod, I bet they wont' give a ****.

Luckylu

Yukiko
10-22-2007, 10:43 AM
Yea, this has peaked my intrest. I would really like to see what a Dev. or a DM has to say about it. What did you have writen in your Bio? Anything movie related or something that should not have been there?

Luckylu
10-22-2007, 10:44 AM
So I just sent DC comics an email asking if I could have permission to use the likeness of Zod, in my name for my sorceror. If they agree then what do I do? who do i contact?

Luckylu

Draclaud
10-22-2007, 10:46 AM
If the Superman name is Zod...how is Zzod not allowed? It's not the same, it's different, and therefore not a copyright problem. By that logic every name would be wrong. "Your character name Bob is an enfringement due to a kids show "Bob the Builder"."

I "lil"bit of common sense needs to be applied. I had a guildie named "Percocet" for a year, and he had to rename his char in the middle of the quest after a year...That I can see, but if his name had been Percecot...That wouldn't be a problem legaly. Your name should not had been changed IMHO.

jkm
10-22-2007, 11:40 AM
i would think you fall within the parody fair use laws with that name - half of my characters are the same way. one of my daughters favorite bands, relient k, makes a living off of parodying slogans and copyrights.


Although a parody can be considered a derivative work under United States Copyright Law, it can be protected under the fair use doctrine, which is codified in 17 USC ยง 107. The Supreme Court of the United States stated that parody "is the use of some elements of a prior author's composition to create a new one that, at least in part, comments on that author's works." That commentary function provides some justification for use of the older work. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc.

In 2001, the United States Court of Appeals, 11th Circuit, in Suntrust v. Houghton Mifflin, upheld the right of Alice Randall to publish a parody of Gone with the Wind called The Wind Done Gone, which told the same story from the point of view of Scarlett O'Hara's slaves, who were glad to be rid of her.

Cap_Man
10-22-2007, 11:45 AM
That's pretty heavy handed of Turbine .. and quite a stretch. Look up Zzod in Google and you will see it used as gamer names in other games like eq, Battlefield etc. Now look up Quarion, might be some copyright issues with a musician there, what do you think? ;)

Altarboy
10-22-2007, 03:33 PM
I also had a reported name after a year...but, in all fairness I deserved it.
I just think in all matters they tend to be very heavy handed. They have a knee jerk response to every inquiry "ban"... "rename" I had a couple of friends banned for a month for really weak reasons. I know there is a "code of conduct"if they keep adding up "infraction points" and banning people. Changing the name of their favorite toon etc... there will be nobody left to play. I just think there are better ways to handle ALL of this stuff ie. profanity filters(so they dont have to worry about language by playing mommy for us) The tokens would be a great idea for a name change even if they are a little over zealous in that respect. Just my 2 coppers

lenric
10-23-2007, 06:28 AM
So I just sent DC comics an email asking if I could have permission to use the likeness of Zod, in my name for my sorceror. If they agree then what do I do? who do i contact?

Luckylu

Did you tell DC comics that you would be spelling it Zzod or if you get permission are you going for straight Zod?

Luckylu
10-23-2007, 10:58 AM
I told them Zzod but yeah if they let me call him Zod I will.

paul1devries
10-26-2007, 01:31 PM
I like your new name better: "Flamefromabove"

It is catchy - so much easier to type into a "tell" than Zzod

Also it works well when you are creating havoc with your uber "cone of cold......"

:)

ccheath776
10-26-2007, 03:18 PM
Ok so I will get people who disagree and agree with me on this one, but I must say it. Thursday night I logged into the game after taking a couple hours off and BAMN my lvl 14 Sorc was not in my list.. i start to worry a little bit, knowing that ddo has constant bugs, and what do i find? I find my 32 point- lvl 14 sorc that i have had for nearly a year now with a new name.. the name of RENAMEDZZ was his name. I log in, and talk to a few friends I had online about it.. they said to type /changename and ofcourse THAT doesnt' work!!! why becuase I guess there was some infringement on a 3rd rate dc character with a similar name. Again, I have had him for nearly a year. So I contact a DM and wait about 25min. The anger swells up as it would for anyone who has been playing that long with a character you have come to love. When the DM contacts me he is very blunt that they do not have to give any reasons or explanations to my name change just that it is an infringement, and that I had to choose a new name then. I asked if I could have a token things so I could change my name when I was ready, like the /changename thing gives you. NO, I have to decide now, and again.. what do you rename yourself after having the character for a year??????
I understand that they have infringements, and all the rest and whatever though we have all seen others out there with BLATENT names, but I would not turn them in as someone has turned me in I guess. But a little courtasy to people with such long lasting names, and they do know how long we have had characters. Thank you I just wanted to air my upsetness.

Luckylu

What the heck is wrong with ZZod or Zod??

Did someone see the name and become so outraged they reported it.

muffinlad
10-26-2007, 03:28 PM
What was your full name, i.e. was it

Zzod Jones
Zzod Kent
Zzod Dozz

Etc. etc.

ccheath776
10-26-2007, 03:29 PM
So I just sent DC comics an email asking if I could have permission to use the likeness of Zod, in my name for my sorceror. If they agree then what do I do? who do i contact?

Luckylu

If you get permission contact support using the game support link at the top.
Or post in the ingame service forum.

It is quite amazing that someone reported it in the first place.
I have a copyrighted name Terah which is the name of the main character in the novel I wrote. I have seen someone walking around with that name.
Did I report them, NO. I simply named my Character Terrah instead.
Could I have reported them, you betchya but what satisfaction would I have had?
To me its free advertising spread that name around and the more people know it the more people will know it.

Why someone felt the need to go out and report it is beyond me. Thats a bit too much power to have.

Pfamily
10-26-2007, 04:01 PM
Game support should be thrashed soundly for being so draconian in the method they used to force you to rename your character.

If there was a real naming issue, the responsible and respectful thing to do would have been to contact you, explain the problem, and insist on a change in a reasonable amount of time. You may still have been upset about it, as I would be, but at least they would have treated you as an honored customer rather than a peon.

Turbine have the responsibility to see that the game is conducted in an honest and legal manner. They also have a responsibility to the paying player-base to act in a reasonable and respectful manner in dealing with all game issues. They demand we be responsible and forthright in-game and in these forums, they should hold themselves to the same standard.

As it was, Zzod was ridden out of town on a rail without so much as a "how do you do".

Total bovine-excrement I say. Pink-pony forum skins for the lot of them!

Strakeln
10-26-2007, 04:50 PM
Another option could be you beat down someone in PvP, and they decided to report you as a final revenge. Waaaaaaaay too common. There are a few people (I'm sure we can all think of at least one) that indisputably abuse the reporting system. Typically this takes the form of "you picked on me, so I'm going to report your name despite the fact that I have absolutely no problems or concerns with it."

What really tickles my funny bone is the completely innocent "why does no one like me" yapping from people that behave like this. Gee, I dunno, maybe because you are acting like a five year old child?

Luckylu
11-15-2007, 09:17 AM
lets face it, they screwed me out of my name, due to someone turning me in.... and said it was too close to someone elses name, though my Zzod is not ZOD, and yet TURBINE HAS MENTAU THE FLESHMAKER??? come on!!! [eaten by cube]

muffinlad
11-15-2007, 05:27 PM
I will ask again, what was your full name?

To clairify-

A) I would not turn you in, based on Zzod
B) I did not turn you in, and would not unless your name was $@#@^ the ^%#$er of Ugly &8($. (not a real name)
C) I am curious to what your full name was.

It may be that your name, in it's entire phrasing, may have constituted a trademark violation, or could have in Turbines view, and their name MENTAU THE FLESHMAKER, a parody, does not. They might be willing to defend their use of Mentau, and not defend your name. Their dime.

If you really feel this is a game breaker for you, time to look for a new game, however I hope you find it interesting enough to come back.

Regs,

muffinel

Luckylu
11-15-2007, 06:07 PM
the name was Zzod Kneel before me

a similar quote but not word for word from a movie from the 70's. so 30 some years later, a similar quote is now owned by whom? Enough for Turbine to force me to change my name, give me 5 min to do it, and not let me even have the letters in my new name at all. I am just saying that similiar is one thing, i have seen my share of superhero names, movie characters names, swearwords hidden in names. Turbine just has a poor policy of taking care of situations. Whatever I have to change my name.... a person playing this game for nearly the entire time it has existed adn that character being around a year, will no regard or care for the custemor is what I find disgraceful of Turbine.

To Turbine(though they probably will never read this)
You recently reduced servers, while other rpg online games have expanded their server numbers, protect your interests from DC comics all you want, I am sure they would have fined you over my name and no one elses. Lets keep the customers you have.

Truegood
11-15-2007, 06:50 PM
Sorry to hear you got name wacked by turbine now I will know who to look for when I am in the tavern brawls :p

Thats sucks!!!! You think it might be the Kneel before me part ?

Staedtler
11-15-2007, 09:59 PM
The renaming is heavy handed, but I understand the reasons for it completely.
When names are changed it's almost exclusively because of a violation of the ToS. Giving a person a rename token and hoping they pick a new, ToS appropriate name doesn't really solve the issue -- they've already shown that they'll ignore the ToS. Having a GM converse with a person while they try to sort out a rename is a poor allocation of resources. GMs would have better time spent responding to quest issues, etc. (after all, how many people complain about wait times?)

This sort of thing sucks when it happens. Only thing you can do is not get attached to your character name if you know it violates the ToS. Be thankful every day you keep the name and when the big day comes and you show up as RENAMEDXX, take it with grace.

kingzero
11-16-2007, 06:31 AM
You are looking at Zzod, which is similar to Zod a character from Superman which is held in copyright all character names by DC along with their disambiguation.

Kneel Before Me is not only trademarked, it is copyrighted and is also considered to be a black name. (think before Pee-Wee Herman and the theater)

It boils down to Turbine not willing to stick their neck out for you..regardless of your $15 a month. It wont cover 30 seconds of the legal cost if someone from DC where to complain. Simple as that.

Luckylu
11-16-2007, 08:47 AM
too bad what you said isn't true. I looked it up and there is like 40websites or more dedicated to ZOD, and his phrase Kneel before me, for presidant or whatever else they have and at the bottom.... there is nothing from DC, or Warner Brothers, so you really think that they are going to come after Turbine for one character when they have all this to deal with? Lets face it, it was not a big deal.. so lets just handle things better turbine, someone names themselves, a superhero name, a character from a book, movie, tv-show, change there name if some idiot really wants to turn them in. Change it to RENAMEDZZ and then give them a token so they can change it. Yeah get the DM's out there fixing the errors that really are bad, like people getting stuck in gianthold and having to /death and take debt cuase they are 10feet from the inn, but no one can help them. Fix the new Raid so people will actually go into it. Stop all the rediculas mail from plat farmers, lets think about what is important in this game, like decline in servers, when will the new monk class or more come out??? or we could be jerks to our existing customers and say you have 5min to pick a new name and that is it. Stop defending Turbine about this, and encourage them to get out there and make all of us happy with new updates and more classes which will inspire more people to play and to return instead of only saying, yeah i had a really cool character for a year and turbine took my name cuase he had the same name as a 70's super-villian.

Luckylu

muffinlad
11-16-2007, 10:49 AM
Lucky,

Not cause and effect. The people who are responsible for making you change your name are not the people responsible for getting new classes out, etc. Putting those people on to development would do nothing. Their job (part of it) is to make sure people are not violating trademarks, and your name, in TURBINES opinion, seemed to have done so. Further, because just because others may be violating a trademark is no reason not to act and Turbine, as a Trademark holder, and a legal entity, responsible business community member (etc. etc.) is obligated to have some enforcement policy regarding this, and show swift action when such violations occur. While you may be able to claim that the Trademark has been abandoned due to lack of protection and enforcement, I doubt Turbine is going to do that for you.

All those other issues you mention, they are real, but have zero to do with your issue, or why Turbine acted as it did.

Turbine is would seem to me highly unlikely that Turbine is going to relent in this decision, but I can understand your frustration at having your name changed in the manner you did, and the seeming "Random" justice you recieved.

In the end, are you going to keep playing, or are you going to quit, over this decision?

Regards

muffinptonian

Altarboy
11-21-2007, 09:31 AM
I will ask again, what was your full name?

To clairify-

A) I would not turn you in, based on Zzod
B) I did not turn you in, and would not unless your name was $@#@^ the ^%#$er of Ugly &8($. (not a real name)
C) I am curious to what your full name was.

It may be that your name, in it's entire phrasing, may have constituted a trademark violation, or could have in Turbines view, and their name MENTAU THE FLESHMAKER, a parody, does not. They might be willing to defend their use of Mentau, and not defend your name. Their dime.

If you really feel this is a game breaker for you, time to look for a new game, however I hope you find it interesting enough to come back.

Regs,

muffinel

Aside from the whole reportie thing that seems rampant on this server
(you little tattle tales should be ashamed of yourselves)).
The name would be covered under the same parody clause as Turbines use. What about god names like Thor and such....was also a comic book hero. I hate to sound like a broken record but, if they just implimented a filter all these problems go away and, all you little report-a-holics will have to find new jobs.. like mall security!

JoeyJoJoJr
11-21-2007, 01:40 PM
Did DC reply yet?


Should i worry that my main toon is named after a character that appears in the simpsons for 5 seconds? oi..

Wutinni
11-21-2007, 03:41 PM
I looked it up and there is like 40websites or more dedicated to ZOD, and his phrase Kneel before me, for presidant or whatever else they have and at the bottom.... there is nothing from DC, or Warner Brothers, so you really think that they are going to come after Turbine for one character when they have all this to deal with? Luckylu

Your correct in that its HIGHLY unlikely the owners of the copywrite care about what a gamer does. You must accept however that they have the right to cover their tails 100% when they wish do do so. I do not agree with their choice, and you should definetly have been given more time to decide on a new name. Ultimately as someone else pointed out, you cannot change their decison only react to it.

On a side note, why not add a random name generator option so people can just hit random like they can do for appearance. This could pull from a database which Turbine has legal control over. Just a thought...

Ravelock
08-06-2010, 02:54 PM
When your name changed, voluntary or otherwise, did you have to rejoin your guild, or did that update automatically?

Bogenbroom
08-06-2010, 03:44 PM
the name was Zzod Kneel before me

I may have mis-understood your posts, but were you claiming that you were unfamiliar with the DC character, because if you were, I would call shenanigans. I would call that the equivalent of naming your guy "Tickk SPOOOOON" and saying you had no idea there was a copyrighted character named "The Tick."

Regardless, someone who was no familiar with Zzod may have reported you based on you last name. I could see someone finding that offensive (even if it was not intended as such.)

Regarding support staff... no offense, but given what you are portraying your mental state as during this incident, might you have ticked off the support guy? Calling my IRS auditor a "taint-sucking, weevil-narded, spawn of a fat guys flesh fold jam" certainly isn't going to help my tax-return. :)

Personally, I have no issue with name-reporting, but I'd never do it to something that actually fits in the world, and Zzod has the right feel to it. The various "Carpetmuncher" and "Lappdancer" type names... yeah. I'll more than happily report those.

Saaluta
08-06-2010, 04:06 PM
Holy Ressurrection Batman :eek:

Saal :)

Bogenbroom
08-06-2010, 04:20 PM
Holy Ressurrection Batman :eek:

Saal :)

hehe, didn't even notice that!