View Full Version : Q on stacking of toughness enhancements

09-24-2007, 11:59 AM
So I looked at my Dwarf's HP and it seems higher than I thought it should be. Better than the other way around, but thought I'd ask:

I have Dw Tough I-II and F Tough I-II (and the Toughness feat obviously). I was expecting 5 HP from each of the "I"s and 10 HP each from each of the "II"s. That would be (5 +10) + (5 +10) enh and at my current lvl (9) 11 more from the feat for 41.

Contrasted would be if no racial and instead Fighter Toughness I-IV, that would be (5 +10 +15 +20) from the Enh +11 feat for 61.

Interestingly, with Dw II and F II I have the 61 HP so am getting (5 +10 +15 +20). Is this a bug or is is supposed to work this way? What happens when I get my next toughness enhancement (III of either Dw or F)? Since I've already been given a 20 for "level IV" type enh, I'm not sure what to expect. If it moves me back to (5 +10) + (5 + 10 +15) I'd actually lose 5 HP.

So I'm guessing the 5th level just starts at 5 HP again. (5 +10 +15 +20) + (5) Then 10, 15, 20 if you progress to all 8 combines levels of Toughness. Can anyone confirm? I'm certainly not planning on 8 levels of toughness, and if the next costs 3 AP to get only 5 HP then those diminishing returns would me wonder if it's worth it. Right now the 50 HP from II/II seems like a pretty sweet spot for only 6 AP spent. That's way better than the 5 HP / AP spent I thought the last update was bringing.


09-24-2007, 12:38 PM
You've messed up in your calculations somewhere (or your character is bugged).

I have a Dwarven Paladin with Paladin Toughness IV and Dwarven Toughness III and they work exactly as you originally thought.

The Toughness Feat gives you 2+Character_Level extra hit points (So, +3 at level 1 and +16 at level 14).

Each Enhancement of either flavor gives you 5xEnhancement_level extra Hit points (So, +5 for level I, +10 more for Level II, or +15 total for having Level II).

If you have both Dwarven and Fighter Level II's that is +15 + 15 = +30 extra hit points.

Is it possible you forgot your Heroic Durability when figuring out from where your Hit Points came?

09-24-2007, 01:20 PM
Is it possible you forgot your Heroic Durability when figuring out from where your Hit Points came?

Ya, Heroic Durability fits the unexpected 20 HP perfectly. Good catch.