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Shade
09-22-2007, 09:12 AM
Post your sorcerers stats. I wanna see how people distributed there less important stats as most everyone does it a little different on there sorc.

Here is mine:
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8413/obliteratorah0.jpg

Main weakness is his saves, there unbuffed in the pic tho, no greater hero.

Jakylpops
09-22-2007, 11:49 AM
You mean you were just looking for an opportunity to say

NE NER NE NER NEEEEEEEE NEEEEEEEERRRRRrrrrrrr
I HAVE A +3 CHA TOME ON MY DROW CASTER I'M SOOOoooooo COOL!

redoubt
09-22-2007, 12:12 PM
That's a lot of +6 items and tomes I think.

Congrats on being lucky and rich. Don't have any idea how you distributed your stat points because its just showing your uber gear...

Fennario
09-22-2007, 09:21 PM
bah, nevermind. :)

Lithic
09-22-2007, 10:59 PM
As above, we have no clue what your freshly-rolled stats are :P

In case you actually care, I started human and went 18 con, 18 cha and the rest 8's. Min-maxing? Yeppers. Solid build? 10-4. Sucks-to-be-me-when-I-get-aggro-AC? oh boy you betcha hehe.

On my drow wiz, I went 12 con, 14 dex, 20 int, 8 str/wis and 10 cha.

Those are before-hitting-lvl-1 stats. Add in tomes and +6 items to taste for flavor :D

Shade
09-23-2007, 02:17 AM
Cant remember my starting stats that well..
Think I started 8 str 10 dex 12 con 11 wis 14 int 20 cha

I used allot of tomes, most at lvl1. So what, lots of ppl have. Lots of ppl have even more then me, just curious to see. Dunno why you guys take things so negatively here.
http://www.picsoap.com/Thumbs/a53e81c30cb94e06b778.gif

Lithic
09-23-2007, 10:21 AM
Well you're starting stats are easy enough to find. Mouse over your stat and the game will pop-up a breakdown. Your starting stat was the one labeled BASE, except for charisma in your case since I assume you put your level-up stat bonuses into charisma (and you would have to, to get to 35).

BASE stat is always starting stat+level up.

Fennario
09-23-2007, 12:30 PM
Those starting stats you listed aren't possible.... 29 points spent. Maybe you started with a 10 wisdom? That would be my guess.

Also, isn't a 35 Cha kind of a waste of 6 enhancement points?

And 22 Int is crazy high on a sorc. There are probably some pretty functional rogues out there that don't even have it that high. :) Do you now wish you had put more points into con or something else at creation? Or are you happy with the way he is?

Another thing is that you say your saves are unbuffed. How?

With your stats your saves unbuffed should be:

Fort 4 (base) + 5 (con mod) = 9
Reflex 4 (base) + 3 (dex mod) = 7
Will 9 (base) +3 (wis mod) = 12

Yours are:

F 14
R 13
W 18

The +5 trinket wouldn't even get you there:

F 14
R 12
W 17

So unless my math is fuzzy, you got something else goin on there. :)

Omega
09-23-2007, 12:33 PM
at this point you should drop a sorc's cha enhancement and spead out the AP love until you're able to hit an even number again. Good time to try out extra spell pen or more of a reduction for meta SPs and see how you like them in actual quests as opposed to paper calculations

^fenn had the same idea at the same time =D

redoubt
09-23-2007, 02:47 PM
Cant remember my starting stats that well..
Think I started 8 str 10 dex 12 con 11 wis 14 int 20 cha

I used allot of tomes, most at lvl1. So what, lots of ppl have. Lots of ppl have even more then me, just curious to see. Dunno why you guys take things so negatively here.
http://www.picsoap.com/Thumbs/a53e81c30cb94e06b778.gif

Not negative. You play a lot and/or are lucky with pulls. Nothing wrong with that. Just the combo of your question and the screen shot, rather than "here's my starting ability distibution" made it looking like you were attempting to brag under the guise of creating a helpful discussion.

Just make a post: "Hey I got a +3 tome and Im excited and wanted to share/celebrate it with my sorc brothers."

I'll be in there saying grats with the others.

Grats man! Takes a **** load of work just to see one and a ton more to see one often enough to get it. :D

redoubt
09-23-2007, 02:50 PM
Won't be exact but something like this:

str 8
dex 10
con 8 (10?)
int 10
wis 14
cha 20

Up to 34 cha now. I have +4 on most stats, but wish I had put more into con at creation.

Ton of fun to play though. :cool:

Shade
09-23-2007, 09:37 PM
Nah I got plenty of HP. Enough to survive several big hits before needing a heal scroll.

I like the Int, used +2 int tome at lvl1 for lots more skill points then ur normal 10 int sorc. Maxxed allot of skills.
Also great for using all the Int runes, 22 can use pretty much every one in the game except one needs 23 in xorian, tho i can get that with a +3 int tome. And 16 str handles lots of str levers too.

For saves I got +3 resist ring and +2 from head of good fortune. Xtra reflex/fort prolly from haste/rage which I just always cast while running around.

Cha is 34 now, I had the spell pen stuff maxxed already so I took more spell points, now at 1781.

Borror0
09-23-2007, 10:07 PM
Went with:

10 Str
10 Dex
12 Con
14 Int
8 Wis
20 Cha

Strakeln
09-23-2007, 10:32 PM
Out of curiosity, do you walk around wearing a +6 int item? I understand if it was for the screenie (we all want to show our best)... I just can't figure out any use for always equipping an int item as a sorc. I guess if you have an open slot and like to hit runes?

Lithic
09-24-2007, 02:03 AM
Out of curiosity, do you walk around wearing a +6 int item? I understand if it was for the screenie (we all want to show our best)... I just can't figure out any use for always equipping an int item as a sorc. I guess if you have an open slot and like to hit runes?

He most likely walks around with the stormreaver's napkin (cloak, +6 int +1 DC to all spells), not for the int but for the spell focus item. My sorc has the same cloak and wears it all the time.

Deragoth
09-24-2007, 09:06 AM
Starting Stats...

8
16
12
10
8
20

Wish I had taken a 12 Dex and a 14 Int instead. 4 max skills would have been awesome. Oh well, he still plays great.

Stats with Tomes and Items @ 14...

14 (+6 item)
24 (+1 Tome, +1 enhancement, +6 item)
18 (+6 item)
10
12 (+2 tome, nobody else wanted it, lol, and BAM helmet)
32 (+1 tome, +2 enhancement, +6 item) I really need a +2or3 tome...

172hp - GFL included, no other buffs. With heavy fort and shield blocking, it's never been a issue.
1708sp - Wiz 5 item... seems to be plenty. Could ALWAYS use more :D

Saves are 18, 21, 21 with a +4 resist ring, the head and GH. Not fantastic but it seems to work ok.

Max Concentrate and UMD.

Shade
09-24-2007, 09:27 AM
Went with:

10 Str
10 Dex
12 Con
14 Int
8 Wis
20 Cha

Ya thinking about it now at 14 I think those are the best stats. I did same but 8 str 10 wisdom, but id prefer the str over wis. Saves are easy to make, but i'd like to carry more and melee a bit better.

Yea those are my stats all the time. I use stormreaver napkin all the time. Used to just carry a +6 int ring, but napkins better and use a cha ring now. I have 3 +6 items i think, cha, int and wis. Rest +4.
Well actualy i swap out my dex item for balance item allot, so -4 there sometimes. Otherwise don't swap much.

Aspenor
09-24-2007, 11:14 AM
Starting 28 pt human sorc => Finishing 28 pt human sorc:
8 STR => 12 STR (+4 gloves)
8 DEX => 8 DEX
16 CON => 20 CON (+4 belt)
10 INT => 20 CON (+4 belt)
8 WIS => 8 WIS
18 CHA => 34 CHA (+3 tome, +6 item)

Starting Drow Sorc => Finishing Drow Sorc
8 STR => 12 STR (+4 gloves)
10 DEX => 10 DEX
16 CON => 22 CON (+1 tome, +5 item)
12 INT => 12 INT
8 WIS => 12 WIS (+4 item)
20 CHA => 34 CHA (+2 tome, +6 item)

Starting 32 pt Human Sorc => Finishing
8 STR => 12 STR
8 DEX => 8 DEX
17 CON => 22 CON (+1 tome, +4 item)
10 INT => 10 INT
9 WIS => 10 WIS (+1 tome)
18 CHA => 34 CHA (+3 tome, +6 item)

I've never been one to care about strength on a caster. I don't need carrying capacity. I also don't need to be able to melee, ever.

ErgonomicCat
09-24-2007, 11:26 AM
My sorc is human, 28 points.

8 str (0 pts)
14 Dex (6 pts)
12 con (4 pts)
10 int (2 pts)
8 wis (0 pts)
18 cha (16 points)

At the time I created him, I was unaware that ray spells were different in DDO from PnP. Redoing him now, I'd probably go:

8 str
10 dex
14 con
12 int
8 wis
18 cha

I don't mind a penalty on will saves, I don't care about str at all, but I can't handle a negative dex.

I *might* get brave, and go with 8 str, 8 dex and put int to 14.

jkm
09-24-2007, 07:13 PM
Starting Drow Sorc => Finishing Drow Sorc
8 STR => 12 STR (+4 gloves)
10 DEX => 10 DEX
16 CON => 22 CON (+1 tome, +5 item)
12 INT => 12 INT
8 WIS => 12 WIS (+4 item)
20 CHA => 34 CHA (+2 tome, +6 item)

I've never been one to care about strength on a caster. I don't need carrying capacity. I also don't need to be able to melee, ever.

ah, a 34 point drow build. max con with a 20 cha is 14

Raiken
09-24-2007, 10:07 PM
STR: 15
DEX: 14
CON: 12
INT: 12
WIS: 10
CHA: 17

these are my base stats
not a min/maxer and i am multiclassed 2fighter/ 5 sorcerer

Borror0
09-24-2007, 10:59 PM
ah, a 34 point drow build. max con with a 20 cha and 12 Int is 14

Fixed your mistake. He could have went 16 Con and 20 Cha... but he'd have 10s and 8s all over.

Aspenor
09-25-2007, 09:03 AM
ah, a 34 point drow build. max con with a 20 cha is 14

hmmmmm well all that bit came from memory, now you have me wondering what Asp's stats are over on Argo. I am fairly certain I started with 20 charisma, 16 con and 12 int, but maybe it was 14 con. I'm not one that's known for a fantastic memory, so, yeah :)

Plus I'm too lazy to plug the numbers into some program to check them. I prefer people just calling me out ;)

*edit* in hindsight, yeah, my memory stinks. it was 14, and now I remember being disappointed that was all I could squeeze out of him, but then shrugged and didn't care since he's a drow.

slimywarts
09-26-2007, 02:18 AM
Obliterator, I love you . :)

You're the only other sorc I ever heard of that did a high INT version, I assume for a lot of skill points (didn't read all the posts). I did the same, and have 20 Int (25 with +5 Int ring) also (even took my favor tome for it, since I had looted a +2 CHA tome long before).

I don't care what anyone says, having max levels of DIP, JUMP, UMD, CONCENTRATION, and a bunch of points in other stuff, has been just as valuable as high CON or DEX. So poo on you high hit points types, I'll roll with 144 hp's and DIP it all off me, or jump out of the way, or cast a spell right in their face when I never blow a Concentration check.

And you get to hit INT runes, and make people think your build is silly :)

*** EDIT *** - Just noticed you had a +6 enhancement to get that 22. Bah! So I truly am the only skill point Sorc in all the world! Muhahahah! I am the queen of 34 CHA gimps! And lovin it! 35 DIP for the throw aggro off of me win! LOL

Renegade66
09-26-2007, 08:56 AM
Cant remember my starting stats that well..
Think I started 8 str 10 dex 12 con 11 wis 14 int 20 cha

I used allot of tomes, most at lvl1. So what, lots of ppl have. Lots of ppl have even more then me, just curious to see. Dunno why you guys take things so negatively here.


Because, you are obviously just trying to showoff your 35 CHA. Your post is meaningless. Should be "Look how cool my end stats are".

Another indication is that no Sorcerer in their right mind would waste 6 enhancement points to get to a 35 CHA that offers zero benefit except bragging rights. I have a +3 CHA tome as well, but put those extra APs to maxing my spell pen.

Also, you are very much understating the value of HP for a sorc.

Starting stats should be 20 CHA, maybe 10 STR (if worried about encumberance) and the rest in CON.

A better question is why do you continue to duck Jellybean and Jealousy? They both took you up on your barbarian challenge and you ran for the hills with your tail between your legs. Hell, Jealousy isn't even a barbarian. He's a straight ranger.

Aspenor
09-26-2007, 09:18 AM
Because, you are obviously just trying to showoff your 35 CHA. Your post is meaningless. Should be "Look how cool my end stats are".


/signed

I sorta took one look at his screenshot and giggled, because it was obvious what was goin on.

Actually having the AP spent on having 35 charisma is, as Renegade posted, an obvious attempt to boost your ego. If you were truly thinking about your build and not maxxing the numbers in your stats you'd have 34 charisma and 6 AP spent in more useful places.

jkm
09-26-2007, 09:24 AM
Fixed your mistake. He could have went 16 Con and 20 Cha... but he'd have 10s and 8s all over.

i didn't make a mistake. there is absolutely no way a drow can buy a 16 con and a 20 cha at character creation. it takes 16 points to max a stat.

20 cha = 16 points
16 con = 16 points

drow are 28 point builds not 32. you can get a 20 cha with a 14 con and have 2 points left over for the intelligence.

Rilen
09-26-2007, 05:13 PM
My .02 (stats from Celana)

Stat: Base/Current/How

STR 10/17/+1tome, str6 item
DEX 13/20/+1tome, dex6 item
CON 11/18/+1tome, con6 item
INT 10/10/zip, nadda, nothing :-)
WIS 10/16/wis 6 item
CHA 20/34/+2tome, 3 leveling increases, 3 enhancement, cha6 item

Pretty vanilla.

-Ril

Shade
09-26-2007, 07:37 PM
If you were truly thinking about your build and not maxxing the numbers in your stats you'd have 34 charisma and 6 AP spent in more useful places.

If you were truely looking to post anything constructive you would have read the thread before posting and noted I already did that.

But instead you chose to post just flames out of jealously. How sad.

To answer other post:
I started only 14 int, but used a +2 tome at lvl1, so still 5 skill points per lvl up.

Eldun
09-27-2007, 07:03 AM
Just a bit bored and I know the AC doesn't amount to much with GH mosters and now Orchard monsters. I was wondering if I could do better on AC and how.

+10 Base
+11 Armor- Insulated Armor (Yes gotta have gloves to effectively cast)
+6 Shield- Skyvault Shield
+2 Dex- Capped from Armor
+3 NA- Barkskin
+2 Dodge- Chaosguards
+3 Dodge- Chattering Ring
+1 Dodge- Feat ... not going to take
+1 Dodge- Haste
+5 Deflection- Protection cloak
+2 Luck- Resistation Scroll ... do they even sell these?

Total 46

Total 48 ... while blocking in a FW ... really 47 'cause I'm not taking a feat in dodge

Lots of slots being used up for armor, I know. More an excercise for fun. I'd still be able to cast w/o SF but would sacrifice my Reaver Cloak, either GFL or HF item, offhand scepter ... Sup fire/ice lore or Sup Pot VI, Greater Arcana either greenblade or Blue Scale Armor.

Aspenor
09-27-2007, 08:19 AM
If you were truely looking to post anything constructive you would have read the thread before posting and noted I already did that.

But instead you chose to post just flames out of jealously. How sad.

To answer other post:
I started only 14 int, but used a +2 tome at lvl1, so still 5 skill points per lvl up.

No, you posted a picture of you with 35 charisma. LOL @ you.

Varis
09-27-2007, 08:31 AM
/signed

I sorta took one look at his screenshot and giggled, because it was obvious what was goin on.

Actually having the AP spent on having 35 charisma is, as Renegade posted, an obvious attempt to boost your ego. If you were truly thinking about your build and not maxxing the numbers in your stats you'd have 34 charisma and 6 AP spent in more useful places.

I'm shocked... shade made a post without adding somewhere that anyone that disagrees is a noob. Or did I miss it somewhere?

Borror0
09-27-2007, 08:58 AM
i didn't make a mistake. there is absolutely no way a drow can buy a 16 con and a 20 cha at character creation. it takes 16 points to max a stat.

20 cha = 16 points
16 con = 16 points

drow are 28 point builds not 32. you can get a 20 cha with a 14 con and have 2 points left over for the intelligence.

True, used to 32 pointers.. :p

CSFurious
09-27-2007, 10:39 AM
for chr, int & dex, drow are the "original" 32-pointers & were so over-powered compared to the other 28-point races that Turbine created the favor-grind & granted 32-pointers for the other races

that is why i simply play drow, & do not run the favor-grind like Turbine's little peon for 32-pointers when i can roll drow & actually have fun playing the game as drow are already 32-pointers for wizards, rogues, sorcerors, and dex-based rangers


i didn't make a mistake. there is absolutely no way a drow can buy a 16 con and a 20 cha at character creation. it takes 16 points to max a stat.

20 cha = 16 points
16 con = 16 points

drow are 28 point builds not 32. you can get a 20 cha with a 14 con and have 2 points left over for the intelligence.

Strakeln
09-27-2007, 11:40 AM
drow are 28 point builds not 32. you can get a 20 cha with a 14 con and have 2 points left over for the intelligence.For clarification's sake, Drow ARE 32 point builds, they just happen to have the extra 4 points already spent for you. As a tradeoff for not getting to choose where those four points go, you can reach higher base stats for cha and int than any other race.

WilbyZ
09-30-2007, 11:19 PM
I start mine with Human 32 pointer, 18 CON and 18 CHA (or 18 INT for Rog/Wiz builds) :cool:

Casta
10-01-2007, 09:21 PM
This was my first toon I would change a few things but nothing bad enough to reroll for.

str 8
dex 8
con 15
int 10
wis 10
cha 18

Geonis
10-05-2007, 03:45 PM
My very first character, Halfling Sorceror.

Build date Mar '06:

Str- 6
Dex-16
Con-14
Int- 8
Wis- 8
Cha-18


Current

Str-10
Dex-16
Con-20
Int- 8
Wis- 8
Cha- 30 (no Cha tome yet!)

Fennario
10-06-2007, 10:08 AM
I don't care what anyone says, having max levels of DIP, JUMP, UMD, CONCENTRATION, and a bunch of points in other stuff, has been just as valuable as high CON or DEX. So poo on you high hit points types, I'll roll with 144 hp's and DIP it all off me, or jump out of the way, or cast a spell right in their face when I never blow a Concentration check.

Hmmm. I have a 10 base INT, and yet I also have max levels of DIP, UMD, and CONCENTRATION. I also cast a spell called Jump that gets me to a 40 and allows me to jump as high as anyone in the game. Oh yeah, and I roll with 216 hps. So the only poo I will be wiping off is yours that hits me when you go *squish*. :p

slimywarts
10-06-2007, 11:03 PM
If responding in an insulting manner to a post I made over a week ago makes you feel better about yourself, please enjoy it.

Fennario
10-07-2007, 07:35 PM
If responding in an insulting manner to a post I made over a week ago makes you feel better about yourself, please enjoy it.


Well, this thread was still on the first page. I apologize for not living on the forums, and for not checking post dates.:rolleyes:

Anyways, wasn't trying to insult anyone. Just a little friendly smack talk. :) Really no different than your post was.

slimywarts
10-08-2007, 03:20 PM
Good point, my apolgies. Upon further pondering, you are right about maxxing those three skills with just 10 INT. However, it is fun having max haggle and bluff, and lastly the infamous...

"Heh, how did you get that Int rune? Why don't you have those points in CON???"

Because even though I'm dumb for putting all those points in INT, my sorceress is smart! So there! :p


I'll have to try a high CON dwarf, sounds like fun actually not to die so much soloing or when my DIP check rolls a 1 !

Aspenor
10-08-2007, 04:45 PM
Good point, my apolgies. Upon further pondering, you are right about maxxing those three skills with just 10 INT. However, it is fun having max haggle and bluff, and lastly the infamous...

"Heh, how did you get that Int rune? Why don't you have those points in CON???"

Because even though I'm dumb for putting all those points in INT, my sorceress is smart! So there! :p


I'll have to try a high CON dwarf, sounds like fun actually not to die so much soloing or when my DIP check rolls a 1 !

Go warforged. Self heals and immunities FTW.

Shade
10-11-2007, 01:50 PM
Go warforged. Self heals and immunities FTW.
While WF are definetely strong race and great for solo.. Self healing is just something most sorcerers can easily do anyways, regardless of race.

Right now a pure sorc can attain 35 UMD.. Lets you use a heal scroll on a roll of 5.. Mod6 at lvl16 will raise that to at least 37, and probably higher.. Heal scrolls do 110-150+ depending on enhancements, which is tons consider sorcs low hitdice.

EinarMal
10-11-2007, 02:01 PM
While WF are definetely strong race and great for solo.. Self healing is just something most sorcerers can easily do anyways, regardless of race.

Right now a pure sorc can attain 35 UMD.. Lets you use a heal scroll on a roll of 5.. Mod6 at lvl16 will raise that to at least 37, and probably higher.. Heal scrolls do 110-150+ depending on enhancements, which is tons consider sorcs low hitdice.

The only thing is scrolls are not that great for quick in combat healing and that is what a warforged or dragon marked halfling build would have over others. I just can't see using heal scrolls to save youself that often in combat seems too slow to me. I just can't see how you can compare scroll/wand usage to a full heal that you can cast to me there is no comparison in actual utility.

It's nice to be able to do that don't get me wrong, but scrolls/wands are never a true substitute for being able to cast the spell in terms of speed and actual utility.

Aspenor
10-11-2007, 02:08 PM
While WF are definetely strong race and great for solo.. Self healing is just something most sorcerers can easily do anyways, regardless of race.

Right now a pure sorc can attain 35 UMD.. Lets you use a heal scroll on a roll of 5.. Mod6 at lvl16 will raise that to at least 37, and probably higher.. Heal scrolls do 110-150+ depending on enhancements, which is tons consider sorcs low hitdice.

Very true, but if she/he's going dwarf and taking -1 DCs, -1 UMD, etc. then Warforged might as well be the race. Being able to fire off an instant reconstruction is a lot more versatile than having to switch to and succeed a roll on a Heal scroll.

Shade
10-11-2007, 02:12 PM
The only thing is scrolls are not that great for quick in combat healing and that is what a warforged or dragon marked halfling build would have over others. I just can't see using heal scrolls to save youself that often in combat seems too slow to me. I just can't see how you can compare scroll/wand usage to a full heal that you can cast to me there is no comparison in actual utility.


???? Scrolls work almost as fast as reconstruct does.. Less then a spilt second in difference.. Yea the cooldown is a bit longer but really if you need to heal more then 140 or so in a 6 second span your pretty screwed anyways. Tho cycling scroll, wand and potions helps if you want to fill up cast - there all quick and seperate cooldowns.

I have both a max umd drow sorc and a warforged wizard.. On both of them I just use scrolls to heal 95% - in mid combat even when taking heavy damage.

Infact its often better to use scrolls in dangerious combat situations becuase reconstuct has a concentration check which you may fail and die - while scrolls do not.

And the fact i'd rather use my SP to kill with then heal myself. The only place I use reconstruct is when solo'ing reaver because I get unlimited SP anyways and run around to avoid much concentration checks. And being I wouldn't waste enhancements on it, it only heals for 196 anyways vs 140 something with a scroll (got greater potentcy 6 and scroll mastery on him)

EinarMal
10-11-2007, 02:19 PM
???? Scrolls work almost as fast as reconstruct does.. Less then a spilt second in difference.. Yea the cooldown is a bit longer but really if you need to heal more then 140 or so in a 6 second span your pretty screwed anyways. Tho cycling scroll, wand and potions helps if you want to fill up cast - there all quick and seperate cooldowns.

I have both a max umd drow sorc and a warforged wizard.. On both of them I just use scrolls to heal 95% - in mid combat even when taking heavy damage.

Infact its often better to use scrolls in dangerious combat situations becuase reconstuct has a concentration check which you may fail and die - while scrolls do not.

And the fact i'd rather use my SP to kill with then heal myself. The only place I use reconstruct is when solo'ing reaver because I get unlimited SP anyways and run around to avoid much concentration checks. And being I wouldn't waste enhancements on it, it only heals for 196 anyways vs 140 something with a scroll (got greater potentcy 6 and scroll mastery on him)

Yeah if you could succeed on a 1 I can see it, and if you never need two heals and the scroll timer might kill you. I don't know, I have a UMD Bard and I know too many times I rolled 3 1's in a row on a UMD check!

Plus, I am not sure how you get UMD that high even on a drow without some raid gear. For new builds with the raid loot changes it is not going to be as easy to get that stuff.

There is also human reaction time involved. To heal with a spell is one action, click the hotbar, for a scroll you have to switch to the scroll then use it, then switch back to your normal gear. It definitely makes a difference, it might not be huge, but it is slower.

MrCow
10-11-2007, 03:04 PM
As a warforged sorcerer and after playing a warforged sorcerer with reconstruction since Module 3 I have issues using scrolls to heal myself mid-combat.

When I need my health back I usually need it back quite fast. It isn't so much the cooldown timer that gets me (I had no problem with 6 second cooldown timers back when scrolls were faster than the spell) but the time to launch it. The time it takes to swap the scroll into my primary hand and the added casting time of being cast as if a wizard is about 1 second (on top of two clicks vs. one click). I could very well be dead within that extra second needed to scroll it off.

Another issue I have with reconstruction scrolls vs. the spell is that as a sorcerer fast casting has very good benefits. If I can cast at twice the speed of a scroll then I'm half as liable to take and make a concentration check (being you can fail those when using scrolls). That failed concentration check can spell doom for me and sometimes that concentration check is going to be an automatic fail (delayed fireball blast, polar ray, etc.)

The next issue for me is the cost of the scrolls. I know some people in DDO play to the point where cash is not a problem. However, a reliance on cash to play my character does not sit well with me, especially when being a sorcerer gives me the boon of a large SP pool.

And last, there is a difference between the amount of damage repaired from a scroll to the spell. A repair of 110 vs. a repair of 140 is not much, but when you can tack an item on to improve the spell it starts to matter more. Using a greater potency VI item for instance (because those come off level 14 quest end rewards now and then, not too hard to acquire one) and that 140 damage repaired becomes a 188 damage repaired. Knowing that your spell will fully heal you (and therefore lessen the issue of a one-shot hit to you) is a large boon.

As an aside, I will say that I often solo and duo, sometimes I do pickup groups. This will easily skew my opinion towards a high need for survivability in a build and a need for the cost to be low due to needing to do more to complete a quest.

Strakeln
10-11-2007, 03:44 PM
And last, there is a difference between the amount of damage repaired from a scroll to the spell. A repair of 110 vs. a repair of 140 is not much, but when you can tack an item on to improve the spell it starts to matter more. Using a greater potency VI item for instance (because those come off level 14 quest end rewards now and then, not too hard to acquire one) and that 140 damage repaired becomes a 188 damage repaired. Knowing that your spell will fully heal you (and therefore lessen the issue of a one-shot hit to you) is a large boon.Just a note, the wand and scroll mastery enhancements bring a reconstruct scroll up to 154 HP.

Regarding cost, I would argue that reconstruct scrolls are a lot cheaper than the potions I need to use for my barbarian. The time it takes to cast a scroll is a bit of a pain, but not too bad if you have it hotkeyed (my fleshie sorc keeps reconstruct scrolls keyed to the open quote/tilda " ` " key). Should cut down on the time a little bit.

MrCow
10-11-2007, 06:09 PM
Just a note, the wand and scroll mastery enhancements bring a reconstruct scroll up to 154 HP.

The comparison is without using enhancements, otherwise you are looking at scroll (154 HP) vs. spell (188 HP + item boost) with maxed enhancements. I probably should have stated that a bit clearer in my previous post, shame on me. :p

As for cost, yeah, its defiantly cheaper to scroll than to potion.


to cast a scroll is a bit of a pain, but not too bad if you have it hotkeyed

This is likely fine for most players but my keyboard setup revolves around me using one hand on the keyboard at the arrow keys and the other hand on a trackball mouse. Neither of my hands really have space to add new hotkeys in. Because of this I end up clicking hotbars with my mouse so that I can retain my ability to move using the familiar arrow keys that have served me in the past years (aka, old Everquest habit that didn't die).

Shade
06-01-2009, 06:35 AM
This is likely fine for most players but my keyboard setup revolves around me using one hand on the keyboard at the arrow keys and the other hand on a trackball mouse. Neither of my hands really have space to add new hotkeys in. Because of this I end up clicking hotbars with my mouse so that I can retain my ability to move using the familiar arrow keys that have served me in the past years (aka, old Everquest habit that didn't die).

Just reading old post and felt like necroposting heh.

Did u ever learn to WASD mrcow?
If not, thats some insane skill to solo Titan without even being able to WASD lol.

Yurtrus
06-01-2009, 07:20 AM
He plays well, holds his own, does the job extremely well and can do over 1500pts of damage ( have seen over 2k ). He takes care of the team and takes care of himself. Have no problem taking out sorjek on elite either. Not that, that means anything.. Guess a time would be better ;) Since I don't really care what you think I will keep it to myself ;) lol

http://www.saxamo.com/downloads/seizmo.stats.jpg - larger image

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu338/yurtrus/seizmostatssmall.jpg

Hey! Who turned off IMG code??

unionyes
06-01-2009, 09:51 AM
Starting stats for my sorcs, for any fleshie race.

Charisma...as high as it will go.
Strength...put it to 10, just so you can carry your loot.
Constitution....put whatever is left here.

All level up stat points into Charisma.
All Charisma stat point boosts you can take, take them.
Wear the highest stat boost item you can get for all your stats. If you have to decide which stat item to wear (for example you have two items that use the same slot), there is an order. Charisma first, Con next, then Wisdom, then it doesn't really matter.

That is all. It is deceptively simple.

Mistinarperadnacles
06-01-2009, 10:17 AM
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/317/sorcstats.jpg

BASE:
08 Str
10 Dex
12 Con
10 Int
14 Wis
20 Cha

End Cha shows: 4 Stat Increases / GS +9 Cha Item / 3 Sorc Enhancements / +2 Tome.

Yurtrus
06-01-2009, 12:33 PM
Usually I don't comment on things like this cause then there is a whole lotta crapola that comes down the pipe. So I am not going to DISSsss your build and information, but I just want to go on record.

using what is it? 6 points or 9 points to go from 18 to 20 is not worth it IMO. Use the points elsewhere.

I never pay over 2 points for a stat. NEVER...

JUST My Opinion...

MrCow
06-07-2009, 12:01 AM
Did u ever learn to WASD mrcow?
If not, thats some insane skill to solo Titan without even being able to WASD lol.

Nope, I haven't played a game with the WASD method in over 10 years or so (unless the game requires it, which tends to annoy me :) ). I play with arrow keys, things near the arrow keys, number pad for physical attack techniques (like trips), and a trackball mouse.

Rhymer25
06-07-2009, 02:14 AM
I think another thing to consider is if you use Quicken Feat or not. I use WF Reconstruct with quicken when in combat. Good times, good times.

Scroll/wand mastery seems a little excessive to me. I'm not saying it is bad it is just normally I use wands/scrolls when out of combat anyway and the spell enhancement for repair helps with force dmg too. Not a big deal but better than anything else scroll mastery is going to help with.

Drekisen
06-07-2009, 03:34 AM
My favorite character so far......

self buffed casting (sorry about the wisdom stat window)
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq65/aiyanagaia/ScreenShot00046.jpg

self buffed tanking
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq65/aiyanagaia/ScreenShot00045.jpg

base saves unbuffed
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq65/aiyanagaia/ScreenShot00043.jpg

Desteria
06-18-2009, 04:11 AM
And 22 Int is crazy high on a sorc. There are probably some pretty functional rogues out there that don't even have it that high. :) Do you now wish you had put more points into con or something else at creation? Or are you happy with the way he is?


Well realize every sorc is wearign a +6 int item form the napkin soo that really only 16 int, take of the +2 tome I'm Sure hes used thats onyl 14 starting on a drow mena he spent all of 4 build point on int.... soo he planed to get 4 skill points a level before tomes... not realy unresnable at all as there are plenty of places you cna put theose 4 points, and with drow stat bonuc /penalties it;s hard ot makes those 4 points much better wnay where else.

Desteria
06-18-2009, 04:14 AM
Out of curiosity, do you walk around wearing a +6 int item? I understand if it was for the screenie (we all want to show our best)... I just can't figure out any use for always equipping an int item as a sorc. I guess if you have an open slot and like to hit runes?

Napkin.... there can be only one cloak....

Ayspy
06-18-2009, 05:02 AM
Ayspam (human)

Str: 9 +1 tome +6 item -> 16
Dex: 8 +2 tome +6 item -> 16
Con: 17 +2 tome +6item +1 human -> 26
Int: 9 +1 tome +6 item -> 16
Wis: 9 +1 tome +6 item ->16
Cha 18 +4 lvl +2 tome +9 item +2 ench +1 human -> 36

spifflove
07-03-2009, 09:29 AM
I splashed 1 level of bard on a human and started with
14 con
16 intelligence
18 Charisma

Although it was painful taking that much intel, for the cost of the capstone and 20 hp I gain:

Max UMD and

Not having to level a max haggle bard whose only effective means of dps is soundburst.

I think that is a fair trade.

Now if I only had 20 intel...

Yargore
07-04-2009, 04:41 AM
Not having to level a max haggle bard whose only effective means of dps is soundburst.


Don't underestimate charm and suggestion. Leveling a hagglebot is just about as easy as it gets.

bruha118
07-04-2009, 04:53 AM
unfort i dont have a sorc but my wiz stats are as follows (these are end game stats including tomes and greensteel) str 14/dex 8/con 32/int 34/wis 14/chr 6...386hp...1765sp...and im a wf

mediocresurgeon
07-04-2009, 05:31 AM
22 Strength
10 Dexterity
32 Consitution
14 Intelligence
11 Wisdom
36 Charisma (http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6051/screenshot00006.jpg)

Starting stats:
8 Strength
8 Dexterity
18 Constitution
8 Intelligence
8 WIsdom
18 Charisma
All level-ups into Charisma.

Only Tomes used are:
+2 Dexterity
+3 Wisdom
+2 Charisma
No Abbot trinket.
Uses Nightshield instead of a resistance item, since her item slots are so cramped.

The next sorcerer I will roll will be Warforged instead of Human and will have the following base stats:
8 Strength
8 Dexterity
18 Constitution
14 Intelligence
6 Wisdom
16 Charisma

Yargore
07-04-2009, 06:53 AM
The next sorcerer I will roll will be Warforged instead of Human and will have the following base stats:
8 Strength
8 Dexterity
18 Constitution
14 Intelligence
6 Wisdom
16 Charisma

That is good starting stats for a WF sorc (and WF is a very good race for sorcs:p).
My 28 pt WF sorc on thelanis started with:
8 Strength
8 Dexterity
16 Constitution
14 Intelligence
6 Wisdom
16 Charisma

spifflove
07-06-2009, 01:49 PM
Don't underestimate charm and suggestion. Leveling a hagglebot is just about as easy as it gets.

And my sorcerer does that quite nicely. I simply don't want two characters that are similiar in their capabilities but one can also instakill. [having two other bards that have no haggle as well, bards are very different than sorcerers but spellsingers are most like sorcerers]