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Scarsgaard
09-17-2007, 05:35 PM
I have always been a big supporter of Superior Lore and a big hater of Greenblade. I am born again brothers!

Seems like (in addition to WIZ 8 and Greater Lore) some people are forgetting about the free enhancements on that dagger that will save a few sp as well. Skiver pwns all...

Ok... so I'm using a Greenblade (depends on the situation)... why is a Greater Lore Item better?

Does a Lore/Focus Item stack with the Enhancements? Since my Sorc is already max specced in Fire lore and Focus with the enhancements... what advantage would a Fire Lore Item give over a Greenblade?

and...

What the freak is a Skiver?

:D I Hate You All:D

Coldin
09-17-2007, 05:39 PM
Skiver (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Risia/Skiver.jpg)

Can't help on the lore questions.

juniorpfactors
09-17-2007, 05:39 PM
it covers both fire/and ice/acid/lightining (everything)......so all ya need is superior pot 5 (for wall of fire/cone of cold) item in the other hand if you wearing blue robe and you are all set

Scarsgaard
09-17-2007, 05:42 PM
ok... thats why I haven't heard/seen this item...

Because I haven't... lol... and when I get it... I guess I respec my enhancements again...:mad:

...well, Lore Wise... anyone out there...

And opinions on Greenblade... is it worthwhile?

juniorpfactors
09-17-2007, 05:43 PM
ya its great on a caster if you use a wide style of damage spells...no need to swap fire/ ice/ acid items

Impaqt
09-17-2007, 05:47 PM
I have a Green blade on my cleric.. Had it before the change to arcane lore even.... Now with the Blue DragonPlate It sits in my bank.

Borror0
09-17-2007, 05:50 PM
I think Lore and enhancements stack. From a logical point of view, they do. Enhancements always stack with items, that would be the only exception I could think of.

BUpcott
09-17-2007, 06:04 PM
why is a Greater Lore Item better?
It's not better than Superior Lore.


Does a Lore/Focus Item stack with the Enhancements?
Lore and Potency items stack with your enhancements.


Since my Sorc is already max specced in Fire lore and Focus with the enhancements... what advantage would a Fire Lore Item give over a Greenblade?

Higher number to your Crit Multiplier. Only Difference is that Greenblade covers all spells as opposed to one type.


why is a Greater Lore Item better?
It's not better than Superior Lore.

Superior Lore > Greater Lore

Superior Lore = 9% Crit Chance and adds 0.5 to the crit multiplier.
Greater Lore = 9% Crit Chance and adds 0.25 to the crit multiplier.


and...

What the freak is a Skiver?

Well you have seen the screen shot so you know now ;)

And in support of our two official languages...

...Je vous déteste.

Scarsgaard
09-17-2007, 06:05 PM
OK.. I'm using...

Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements III Your fire and cold spell critical multipliers are increased by an additional 0.25, bringing your base critical multiplier for these spells to 2.25.

Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III Grants a 9% chance for fire and cold spells to generate a critical hit for 1.5 times normal damage.

Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV Grants a 40% increase to the damage of your fire and cold spells

..in combination with a...

Superior Potency 6 and a Greenblade... +50% to all lvl 6 and lower, with a .25% to crits and a 9% increase...

.....if I'm correct...

All I get 3.75% increase to crits, that will occur 9% of the time at 190% damage from an unspecced state.

...does Greenblade add to this? Do I have it all wrong?

I hate math.:D

Impaqt
09-17-2007, 06:16 PM
OK.. I'm using...

Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements III Your fire and cold spell critical multipliers are increased by an additional 0.25, bringing your base critical multiplier for these spells to 2.25.

Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III Grants a 9% chance for fire and cold spells to generate a critical hit for 1.5 times normal damage.

Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV Grants a 40% increase to the damage of your fire and cold spells

..in combination with a...

Superior Potency 6 and a Greenblade... +50% to all lvl 6 and lower, with a .25% to crits and a 9% increase...

.....if I'm correct...

All I get 3.75% increase to crits, that will occur 9% of the time at 190% damage from an unspecced state.

...does Greenblade add to this? Do I have it all wrong?

I hate math.:D

Base Spell Crit is X1.5 Damage.
Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements III add .75 to this making it x2.25
Greenblade(Greater Arcane Lore) adds .25 to this for x2.5

Your Critcal Damge will be multipied by 2.5


Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III Gives you a 9% chance to Crit. (Base is 1% I believe)

Greenblade addes 9% to this chance making chance to crit 18%

SUperior Potency stacks with Elemental Manipulation.

SO SPeced above with a Greenblade gives you

18% Chance to Crit ona spell with that crit doing ((Spell Damage) X1.9) X 2.5

Scarsgaard
09-17-2007, 06:19 PM
so.. in otherwords... get meself a Sup Frost/Fire Lore:D

Impaqt
09-17-2007, 06:22 PM
For a Wizard, Yes, Superior FIre/Ice lore is generally better. You generally spec in Fire/Ice which is a common Dmaage Type.... Just remeber to swap items per spell... (WHich is what I hate doing)

For a Cleric..... Where many of our spells are "Untyped" or have no Lore item (Searing Light, Blade Barrier, Cometfall) availabale, the ONLY way for us to up our Critical damage and Multipliers is with Arcane Lore.

lostinjapan
09-17-2007, 06:36 PM
so.. in otherwords... get meself a Sup Frost/Fire Lore:D

I might have some extras Scar. Just send me a tell.

PaintHorseCowboy
09-17-2007, 10:42 PM
Hey Scars...

D runs with a greenblade, superior potency 6, and a reaver's napkin. It's a vicious combination.

Napkin gives +1 DC on all saves against your spells so it's worth it regardless. Yes, the Greater Arcane Lore stacks with enhancements so you're throwing crits 18% of the time, which if you train them up properly, max and empower, are some incredibly huge damage numbers. Not to mention, you're carring that superior potency 6 item aren't you? Good Bacon.

Just a little note from your favorite Centaur.

PaintHorseCowboy
09-17-2007, 10:45 PM
Hey Impaqt -

Does Arcane Lore work with Divine spells?

Way I read what you wrote, it does. If that's the case, I'm gonna have to replan some of the gear I need for my cleric. That would be truly cool if you can confirm that it does actually work.

Thanks!

Impaqt
09-17-2007, 11:25 PM
it works with all spells... Including Divine.... a Critical... maximized... Superior Potency'd Blade barrier is an awesome site.

lostinjapan
09-17-2007, 11:40 PM
Hey Impaqt -

Does Arcane Lore work with Divine spells?

Way I read what you wrote, it does. If that's the case, I'm gonna have to replan some of the gear I need for my cleric. That would be truly cool if you can confirm that it does actually work.

Thanks!

Arcane lore works with all spells
Potency works with all spells

Scarsgaard
09-18-2007, 12:59 AM
Ok...

So.. got rid of Greater Necro Focus.. grabbed Maximize.. got the Sup Ice and Sup Fire Lores.. wielded them in combo with My Sup Pot6.. and of course my Napkin... lol.. :D of course I got 1... and DQ 6 man.. was even easier...

..1 shot the Raks... DQ got hurt real fast... in fact.. she was dead before I hit 1/2 my mana bar...

...very nice folkes... I guess Drak was right (but don't tell him... I'll never hear the end of it:D )

...one thing I do know is... new mod.. the mana costs are lowered.. and this stuff will be even more awaesome:D

Drak
09-18-2007, 05:59 AM
You know it mate, how dare you doubt me, i'll have your heart on a spoon for that.

Uamhas
09-18-2007, 06:06 AM
You know it mate, how dare you doubt me, i'll have your heart on a spoon for that.

But why a spoon, cousin? Why not a dagger, or a sword?"
*Insert eyeroll here*
"Because it's DULL and it will hurt more, you twit!"

... "remember, there is no spoon."

PaintHorseCowboy
09-18-2007, 08:49 AM
Dang....

You beat me with the spoon comment.

Aspenor
09-18-2007, 09:42 AM
For pure DPS I will ONLY use superior lore items.

I only use the greenblade to improve my crits with disintegrate, since no single lore item works with it other than arcane lore.

Rilen
09-18-2007, 02:35 PM
Arcane lore works with all spells
Potency works with all spells

Yep - this is 100% true, regardless of the type of caster your are. Healers sometimes overlook this and stay on the hunt for Superior Devotion items when they could have the same effect from Superior Potency .. which are a good bit more common, and give you added dmg output if you use offensive casts.

incubo
09-18-2007, 04:03 PM
For pure DPS I will ONLY use superior lore items.

I only use the greenblade to improve my crits with disintegrate, since no single lore item works with it other than arcane lore.

There are single lore items... Greater Void Lore.

Scarsgaard
09-18-2007, 04:06 PM
There are single lore items... Greater Void Lore.

And the Mask from Titan.. which I have and looks Uber-Sexy on my Sorc:D

lostinjapan
09-18-2007, 08:04 PM
And the Mask from Titan.. which I have and looks Uber-Sexy on my Sorc:D

Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder. :D

(I'm sure he sees beauty sometimes just before he disintegrates it). :eek:

Scarsgaard
09-18-2007, 08:20 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder. :D

(I'm sure he sees beauty sometimes just before he disintegrates it). :eek:

lol... I have Ninib designed to be a certain look...lol...

I know there are better docents out there but all his stuff matches in appearance and it looks cool...

..sad to say but I'm a fashion Maven :D

gorloch
09-18-2007, 10:16 PM
lol... I have Ninib designed to be a certain look...lol...

I know there are better docents out there but all his stuff matches in appearance and it looks cool...

..sad to say but I'm a fashion Maven :D


I like the way Ninib looks. :eek:
Of course this iscoming from someone who can't win an ugly armor contest cause I get rid of my ugly armor. Every gal needs to look good you know.

PIXA