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Maxtrenth
09-01-2007, 03:21 PM
Good Evening,

I wanted to ask the devs why there are no +5 Cloaks of Resistance dropping? The ONLY +5 Resistance Item I've seen is the Beholder's Eyestalk that goes in the trinket slot. There are PLENTY of +5 Cloaks of Protection dropping (+5 Deflection Bonus to AC) but again NO +5 Cloaks of Resistance, why is this? They are not pricey (25K gp) so why no love?

Maxtrenth the Powerful, 14th Level Capped WF Fighter Riedra (Khyber) Server, Holy Warriors Guild

Mapa
09-01-2007, 03:40 PM
Funny, I have one on my caster.

bobbryan2
09-01-2007, 04:04 PM
Good Evening,

I wanted to ask the devs why there are no +5 Cloaks of Resistance dropping? The ONLY +5 Resistance Item I've seen is the Beholder's Eyestalk that goes in the trinket slot. There are PLENTY of +5 Cloaks of Protection dropping (+5 Deflection Bonus to AC) but again NO +5 Cloaks of Resistance, why is this? They are not pricey (25K gp) so why no love?

Maxtrenth the Powerful, 14th Level Capped WF Fighter Riedra (Khyber) Server, Holy Warriors Guild

A +5 resistance cloak would be min lvl 15 if spawned randomly.

So you have to get a RR one. That's why they're more rare than +5 Protection cloaks.

GHOSTRYDER
09-01-2007, 04:07 PM
A +5 resistance cloak would be min lvl 15 if spawned randomly.

So you have to get a RR one. That's why they're more rare than +5 Protection cloaks.

why would it have to be lvl 15? a +3 is lvl 9, and a +4 is lvl 11 with no RR, correct?

Cowdenicus
09-01-2007, 04:27 PM
why would it have to be lvl 15? a +3 is lvl 9, and a +4 is lvl 11 with no RR, correct?

actually I have a +4 resist cloak ml 9 no r/r

Hokiewa
09-01-2007, 04:29 PM
I have a +5 resist ring, why would a cloak be level 15?

GHOSTRYDER
09-01-2007, 04:30 PM
actually I have a +4 resist cloak ml 9 no r/r

actually, so do i:confused: but i always assumed those were incorrectly generated, and that the standard min lvl is supposed to be 11

gpk
09-01-2007, 04:34 PM
Funny, I have one on my caster.

Really, I'd like see a screenshot.

Funny thing is there are both min lev 11 and 13 + resistance cloaks, I have a suspicion +5s were intentionally left out.

adrinor
09-01-2007, 05:00 PM
I have a suspicion +5s were intentionally left out.

I agree

bobbryan2
09-01-2007, 06:26 PM
I had a couple min lvl 13, Resistance 4 cloaks. Just assumed that Resistance 5 would be 15.

But there's definately something buggy with some of those min levels on a lot of items.

Have some Stat 5 items that are min lvl 9, no RR.

Taylormade_Quietiti
09-01-2007, 11:03 PM
I would assume they left +5 resistance trinkets out in order to keep the Optic Nerves uber, only a guess though, and to the second post in this thread, i would also like to see the picture of the +5 res cloak you have.

Snike
09-01-2007, 11:06 PM
I saw a RR Halfling, Lvl. 13 Required Cloak of Resistance. It was +4 ... didn't understand that at all.

Starlytes
09-02-2007, 03:04 AM
I once pulled a +4 resistance cloak no rr ml 9 from the very first chest in Von 3 on Elite....

Just my 2 copper

Starlytes lvl 14 sorc
VIttorianna lvl 14 rog
Tarkaynian lvl 14 fighter
Klairyk lvl 14 cleric
and a few others

Proud member of Elite by Nature guild ~ Mabar

Bilger
09-02-2007, 03:45 AM
The ML thing is buggy in many instances. For instance have +6 Int goggles rr Halfling ML 9 they should be ML 11.
As far as resistance items +4 is highest I have found +5 would have to be RR but with the buggy ML thing never know might get lucky!!

DaveyCrockett
09-02-2007, 03:49 AM
Funny, I have one on my caster.

No you don't.

jaitee
09-02-2007, 03:54 AM
ive seen +5 str gloves rr wf ML 13, which is weird

as for the +4 is ML 11 so +5 should be 13

as far as going for some +5 ML 9

before lvl increase items were made to fit the old current lvl capped

so at lvl 12 cap+loot weekend, turbine did not let items that were not usable like having a ML 14 item, and the lvl cap is 12

that is why back then when items were ML 13s, and we were lvl 12s, turbine went back and made those items 12

so as the lvl cap increased, the items we had that we looted when we were 12, made items that were +5 ML 9, but now the lvl cap is 14, the new ML is 11

Aspenor
09-02-2007, 08:32 AM
No you don't.

/signed

Shade
09-02-2007, 09:07 AM
By the same token, why don't +6 prot items drop?
There no PnP type restriction saying +5 is cap is there?

Tho I guess they could be consider being made with the shield of faith spell, which does cap at +5.

Shade
09-02-2007, 09:08 AM
Or wizardry 7 items?

Since my wiz6 hat is lvl11 RR.. lvl13 rr should be 7. But they dont exist.

The_Cataclysm
09-02-2007, 09:10 AM
By the same token, why don't +6 prot items drop?
There no PnP type restriction saying +5 is cap is there?

Tho I guess they could be consider being made with the shield of faith spell, which does cap at +5.

Yes, it is capped at 5 in pnp.

Stanley_Nicholas
09-02-2007, 09:18 AM
Or wizardry 7 items?

Since my wiz6 hat is lvl11 RR.. lvl13 rr should be 7. But they dont exist.

I have heard reports of wizardry 7 dropping. Never seen proof though.

BigBadBarry
09-02-2007, 09:24 AM
Typically you will find the items with lower ML will be because the hardness will be lower.

The_Cataclysm
09-02-2007, 09:36 AM
Typically you will find the items with lower ML will be because the hardness will be lower.

It's the other way around. When there is a bug that causes an item to have a lower ML than it should, it's hardness and durability will decrease along with it because they are derived by the min level of an item.

artvan_delet
09-02-2007, 12:45 PM
I traded a Wiz7 rr halfling helm to talanthis, a toon on sarlona. THey do exist.

McSurlykins
09-02-2007, 12:48 PM
wizardy 7 certainly exists...talk to galwain on the forums he has 2 and screenshots...ive also seen on myself that friend pulled.....but im willing to bet my wounding of puncturing rapier no plus 5 resistance cloaks :)

Juni
09-02-2007, 12:49 PM
I have 6 +4 Resistance Cloaks no RR

the 2 I pulled when cap was LVL 12 are ML 11
the 4 I have pulled since cap went to LVL 14 are ML 13.


I have seen one +4 Resistance Cloak that is ML 9 and my bet is it was pulled when cap was still LVL 10.

Guildmaster_Kadish
09-02-2007, 01:19 PM
I have a +4 Resistance Ring that also does +2 Charisma with RR: Warforged. However, I've never seen a single +5 Resistance item drop (aside from Kardin's Eye).

Master Kadish

Mad_Bombardier
09-02-2007, 03:04 PM
I have numerous Resist +2 items that are ml:5 and ml:7. I have Resist +3 that are ml:9 and ml:11. I have Resist +4 items that are ml:11 and ml:13. It's just bugs in the ml: system. The bigger question is when the lowest +1 Resist is ml:1, +2 is ml:5, +3 is ml:9, why is the lowest +4 Resist not ml:13? They wanted to force +4 Resist into Mod3 loot I suppose.

Shade
09-02-2007, 03:21 PM
I traded a Wiz7 rr halfling helm to talanthis, a toon on sarlona. THey do exist.

Yea and I traded a vorpal maul to jeejerydoo the elite on the exisstino server.

Stop making stuff up (especiallly things that dont make sense). No one has any screenshots and if they do there fake.

BUpcott
09-02-2007, 03:27 PM
Yea and I traded a vorpal maul to jeejerydoo the elite on the exisstino server.

Stop making stuff up (especiallly things that dont make sense). No one has any screenshots and if they do there fake.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about then because there are Wizardry 7 helms out there.

Arkat
09-02-2007, 04:22 PM
No you don't.

QFT

Xyfiel
09-02-2007, 04:23 PM
Here is a pick of Galwains

http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u75/dreaming_while_awake/DDO/?action=view&current=havantis_wiz7_helm.jpg

I watched someone pull a +5 resistance cloak when mod 4 first came out. Now If I can remember which guildy it was...

Cowdenicus
09-02-2007, 05:24 PM
Here is a pick of Galwains

http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u75/dreaming_while_awake/DDO/?action=view&current=havantis_wiz7_helm.jpg

I watched someone pull a +5 resistance cloak when mod 4 first came out. Now If I can remember which guildy it was...

Pulling out the PWNED Card.

Helmet
09-02-2007, 07:00 PM
wizardy 7= yes, seen one.
resistance 5 = no, only on the named potp item.

adrinor
09-02-2007, 08:19 PM
can anyone confirm +5 resistance items (besides kardin's eye)?

BUpcott
09-02-2007, 08:23 PM
can anyone confirm +5 resistance items (besides kardin's eye)?

The person that claimed they had one has yet to provide screen shots.

BUpcott
09-02-2007, 08:23 PM
Funny, I have one on my caster.

we are still waiting....

Dkmafia
09-02-2007, 09:33 PM
actually I have a +4 resist cloak ml 9 no r/r

I think I do too..

reziel_deadshot
09-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Or wizardry 7 items?

Since my wiz6 hat is lvl11 RR.. lvl13 rr should be 7. But they dont exist.

correction i know some1 who has a RR dwarf wiz7 helm and ill get screen shots to prove it. his name is deathnoob/tommygun/zosh/gremlin/nudist he is on ghallanda server.

sigtrent
09-03-2007, 12:00 AM
I don't have one but one of our guildmates looted and sold one a while back. I've got no reason to make it up.

I have also seen +5 resist items on the auction house on rare ocasion as well as +5 protection items. They are usualy priced way out of my league.

Xyfiel
09-03-2007, 12:40 AM
I just had a thought that if anyone had a +5 resist item, it would be someone who hoards high end loot. After a quicks search on their website, no +5. Not a certainity, but shows how rare they are.

Shade
09-03-2007, 04:37 AM
meh show me an unedited uncroped screenshot of the wiz7. The one posted doesn't look edited but just do it to shut me up.

Maybe some exist on some servers, but I've asked all the best wizards and sorcerers on mine and they dont have one and have never seen one. We also had a trade offer on our forum for one, he offered like +5 mithral fullplate, million plat, countless named items, bloodstones and everything, and no one even tried to offer him one.

Probably a insanely rare +1 loot weekend drop if anything.

Helmet
09-03-2007, 07:31 AM
wizardy VII exists, deal with it.

RESISTANCE 5 DOES NOT.
expect the named item.

Cowdenicus
09-03-2007, 08:45 AM
I have seen wiz 7 looted, i have the kardins eye so i know resist 5 exists but I do not know if resist 5 is on a general item (regualr loot)

Guildmaster_Kadish
09-03-2007, 12:39 PM
meh show me an unedited uncroped screenshot of the wiz7. The one posted doesn't look edited but just do it to shut me up.

You've already seen one picture bro, does seeing another really make any difference? If someone is going to spend the time to edit a screenshot that thoroughly just to confuse us, they won't mind doing two.

The problem with trying to "confirm" items is that there is NO proof that can be shown on the forums. The only way to convince some people is to show them the item in-game (which is, for obvious reasons, far more difficult to coordinate than posting a screenshot on the forums).

That being said, the limited evidence that I've seen so far both in-game and on the forums has lead me to be more inclined toward a belief that Wizardry VII items do exist, but Resistance +5 items do not.

Just my two coppers,
Master Kadish

Emili
09-03-2007, 03:11 PM
I just had a thought that if anyone had a +5 resist item, it would be someone who hoards high end loot. After a quicks search on their website, no +5. Not a certainity, but shows how rare they are.

Kardin's Eye - Trinket, +5 Resistance (Xorian room) Prison of the Planes rare named drop.

As for other resistance items +5 should be a ML 13, I've a couple cloaks of +4 resist with +1 cha at ML 13. I know some people with +4 resist rings. Resistance items - and I may be wrong here - should be 2 ml above the counter-part + stat item since it offers more power than a + stat item (affective the 3 save stats). So a +1 resist item is more like a +2 stat item etc... by that right a +4 resist ML 11 and +5 resist ML 13 should be the normal levels on those items.

I've yet to find or see any resist +5 resist items pulled besides Kardin's Eye. I cannot help but think they twarted the generation of +5 resist items to make the named item somewhat more significant?

As to the person touting optic nerves as the reason ... optic nerves just support fighting things like beholders making one pretty much impervious to thier attacks to begin with - resistance may or may-not be trigger first before the the absobtion but would play very little into the usefulness of a nerve.

I've seen plenty of builds where their saves hover around 30, even had some tell me buffed they're reaching 40 although I suspect exagerated... maybe the dev's just forsee curtailing the saves a bit to give the mob a little more chance.

nabrendel
09-05-2007, 08:34 AM
I have two +3 resist cloaks min lvl 9
I have 1 +4 resist cloak min lvl 11

never seen a +5 resist item drop ever other than The Eye..

Have personally seen Wiz 6 and 7 items drop and hmm yeah just my input on the matter.