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Kiddot
08-30-2007, 01:12 PM
Im going to try to beat Also Spyder Wolf`s hp (800andup) Post how u would do it (dwarf only) ( Barbarian only )
Reply With ure IDeas ( note : I dont have 32 pointer yet so just the 28 pointer )0:o

Palmetto
08-30-2007, 01:19 PM
Im going to try to beat Also Spyder Wolf`s hp (800andup) Post how u would do it (dwarf only) ( Barbarian only )
Reply With ure IDeas ( note : I dont have 32 pointer yet so just the 28 pointer )0:o
Why don't you ask Spyderwolf?

Kronik
08-30-2007, 02:24 PM
Im going to try to beat Also Spyder Wolf`s hp (800andup) Post how u would do it (dwarf only) ( Barbarian only )
Reply With ure IDeas ( note : I dont have 32 pointer yet so just the 28 pointer )0:o

Drink a lot of Milk!!!!!!!!!!!

GHOSTRYDER
08-30-2007, 03:11 PM
Drink a lot of Milk!!!!!!!!!!!

mmmmmmmmmm does a body good

Knightrose
08-30-2007, 04:43 PM
Waste of feats bro.

Arnya
08-30-2007, 05:12 PM
What knight says - take 4 toughness feats + enhancements.

Crankey is up to 552HP with double rage and IFL item - bout 720 with caster and bard buffs.

He only has WS:Slash and IC:Slash left (He is human)

DPS sucks (Hits like a schoolgirl - PA + buffs + crit = 130hp dmg with khopesh :( ), Intimidate off the charts (He is intimitank)

Kalanth
08-30-2007, 07:20 PM
Remeber, it's not always how many HP's you have, but how well you survive the quest.

~ItsLex
09-03-2007, 08:48 AM
Well there is a limit as to how high you can get your hp. At a serious sacrifice to DPS this is what you can do (not counting raging):


20 Heroic Durability
168 Barb Level 14 (12 * 14)
224 Toughness Feat 5 times [1,3,6,9,12] (16 * 14)
20 Barb Toughness IV
20 Dwarven Toughness IV
182 Con 36 [20 + 3 lvls + 3 Barb enh. + 2 Dwarf enh. + 6 Item + 2 Tome] (13 * 14)
30 Greater False Life item
----------------------
634 Without rage

Bombalo
09-03-2007, 09:28 AM
Well there is a limit as to how high you can get your hp. At a serious sacrifice to DPS this is what you can do (not counting raging):


20 Heroic Durability
168 Barb Level 14 (12 * 14)
224 Toughness Feat 5 times [1,3,6,9,12] (16 * 14)
20 Barb Toughness IV
20 Dwarven Toughness IV
182 Con 36 [20 + 3 lvls + 3 Barb enh. + 2 Dwarf enh. + 6 Item + 2 Tome] (13 * 14)
30 Greater False Life item
----------------------
634 Without rage


Remember they changed the toughness enhancement path lines. Toughness IV (whether its barb or dwarven gives a total of 50 hp...so add another 60 to your total) that brings you up to 694 raged. However tell ya what ill stand infront of you and laugh with you swing and swing and swing and hit nothing. Maxing out hp's makes you a worthless shield that cant hit anything. You have to give up so much to get up this high in hp it just isnt worth it.

todd31
09-03-2007, 10:42 AM
I play a barbarian and my hit points raged or not is like 280. All these high hitpoint builds in my opinion promote poor play.

Marlak

hinura
09-03-2007, 01:55 PM
how do high hit point builds promote poor play? more hits can mean better being able to survive "big" mobs

if you are gonna say that you might as well say DV encourages poor play as well :P or high sp builds

todd31
09-03-2007, 02:11 PM
how do high hit point builds promote poor play? more hits can mean better being able to survive "big" mobs

if you are gonna say that you might as well say DV encourages poor play as well :P or high sp builds


First off, DV and SP are totally different. Having more hit points than you need is a waste and most people will just take a pounding because they can. I can't think of a single quest that I need more hit points in and I have survived all the "big mobs". Do yourselves a favor and max out your dps since the quicker a mob is dead the less damage you will take.

Marlak

soupertc
09-03-2007, 03:37 PM
My Barb is inbetween. I have 424 HP unraged....but he does DPS too. I don't think I play him poor....nor make poor choices when questin. I wanted as many HP as I could without giving up to much damage. It really depends on play style really. I've run with alot of high Str Barbs an Fighters an have kept up with them no problem. Like everything about this game....it's the driver who makes it work.

Thame
09-03-2007, 04:01 PM
Remember they changed the toughness enhancement path lines. Toughness IV (whether its barb or dwarven gives a total of 50 hp...so add another 60 to your total) that brings you up to 694 raged. However tell ya what ill stand infront of you and laugh with you swing and swing and swing and hit nothing. Maxing out hp's makes you a worthless shield that cant hit anything. You have to give up so much to get up this high in hp it just isnt worth it.

How can u say a worthless shiled? My WF barb hits 602 raging even higher with buffs, I usually hammer on the kill counts. I could lay everything out on how I did it but not at home ATM but i do know I took 2 feats that were not toughness. I rarely get low on hp unless Im being stupid and smash anything in sight.
I do know if i had taken the other 2 feats as toughness it would only be a -1 to my hits. 1 was for improved crits and other weapon spec.
I use greataxes ac hovers around 35-38 buffed, things are dead before they can really hurt me alot.
To the op, if you want that many HP then ask the guy how he did it. Trying the math myself he would have to constantly be buffed to get close to that I just dont see how he did it, maths not adding up unless I missed something.

Arnya
09-03-2007, 04:46 PM
My high HP (552 raged, approx. 690 with buffs) Human Intimitank still hits 43AC and +45/45/50/55 to hit. He just doesn't do the damage a high DPS build can do. But he will survive quite well while whittling down the HP on a tough mob. He died 6 times total up to lvl 14 and saved parties from many, many wipes.

I also have a 234HP dps fighter with enough rog skills for all but THAT trap. He can't really stand toe to toe and deal damage because one 200HP critical from him and he gets the aggro, and becomes a mana sponge.

I believe pure DPS is a waste of party resources and promotes poor play. Many players expect a cleric's full attention because they are getting lots of red numbers and high kill count, without using any tactics whatsoever.

Bombalo
09-03-2007, 06:52 PM
Thame:
I wouldnt consider your build a pure hp build; my barb can hit 550 raged and I havent worked the numbers but close to 650 with buff's I would assume. However we are talking 800+ here. That means no feats what-so-ever other than toughness. And to max out toughness and con scores there goes 38 hp (48 if you take all the rage HP boosters as well). So your looking at a very low AC and a marginal str at best. You can easily get to the low 600's hp wise and be a very good dps man. I like to think that my guy (and barbs like yours take the best of both worlds). However to get up to 800 your giving up almost everything else your character can do to get those HP. We arent talking HIGH hp builds here cause those are very servicable barbarians (thats why they work so well with two handers). We are talking about MAXING out hp. To max out your just giving up all your feats build points and AP (or almost all of them) to get those HP.

todd31
09-03-2007, 07:45 PM
Usually the group that doesn't deal good dps is the group that struggles from my experience. As with anything the tactics are key. The high hitpoint builds just seem like a waste to me. If you really need that many hitpoints, knock yourself out I guess.

Marlak



I believe pure DPS is a waste of party resources and promotes poor play. Many players expect a cleric's full attention because they are getting lots of red numbers and high kill count, without using any tactics whatsoever.

Arnya
09-03-2007, 08:18 PM
High DPS can be matched with high HP. It's a balance thing. Which is why good parties have DPS components and damage soaking elements. Maxed builds do have a place but that place is in a party that uses these builds effectively.

This is the key factor in making this game as good as it is. Finding an effective balance and set of tactics for any given combination of builds.

From personal experience both high DPS and high HP builds can be very effective; just not on their own.

It isn't a need for high HP it's how those builds are used. If you can pull aggro then let it whack you a bit the DPS can go to town without fear of dying to a couple of well rolled criticals...

Kraldor
09-03-2007, 08:51 PM
Well there is a limit as to how high you can get your hp. At a serious sacrifice to DPS this is what you can do (not counting raging):


20 Heroic Durability
168 Barb Level 14 (12 * 14)
224 Toughness Feat 5 times [1,3,6,9,12] (16 * 14)
20 Barb Toughness IV
20 Dwarven Toughness IV
182 Con 36 [20 + 3 lvls + 3 Barb enh. + 2 Dwarf enh. + 6 Item + 2 Tome] (13 * 14)
30 Greater False Life item
----------------------
634 Without rage


make that 694 after the changed toughness enhancements
then make that 704 from draconic vitality
and you can get 721 unbuffed with that toughness helm coming in mod 5
With rage, reaver buff, and madstone, you're easily hitting 800+, maybe even 900 (i forget the max con you can get from barbarian rage)

Bombalo
09-03-2007, 10:24 PM
make that 694 after the changed toughness enhancements
then make that 704 from draconic vitality
and you can get 721 unbuffed with that toughness helm coming in mod 5
With rage, reaver buff, and madstone, you're easily hitting 800+, maybe even 900 (i forget the max con you can get from barbarian rage)

Greater Rage with all the rage AP taken gives you a +10 bonus to rage (uses 10 AP though).

M1A1
09-04-2007, 10:33 AM
Its not about balance or what you like, its about making a character with more HP. Call it a project, hobby or whatever but the fact of the matter is he wants to try it. If your at home, look at the numbers and help him out.

To you Kiddo, knowing Spyder like I do, I can ASSURE you that is probally the highest HP you can get currently in the game.

On a side note, if you look at the Risia Threads there seems to be a helmet with toughness on it. Maybe you can get a "Also" Clone (thats his HP build) and get the helm before he does, thus in effect "beating" him. Well, for a little while anyway.

Lebrac
09-04-2007, 12:36 PM
It has been said exactly how to do this... i dont' do the # thing cause it's a waist of time if u ask me.... but all u do is take every feat as Toughness and evey statpoint u get as con... take ever con enhancement u can get and all the rage enhancements to boost your max rage... the one saveing grace to this build even with only a 24 str or 26with +2 tome is u will rage for a very long time and shouldn't ever not be raged realy.


now Kiddo this build takes away ALOT from what a barb is preaty much ment to be witch is a Front line DPS machine. the biggest thing is your going to lose power attack and the power attack enhancements for a barb witch is very nice for DPS. so by going max HP you limit yourself a little bit but it can be overcame preaty easy to still make a very usefull build. If u really want to chat about this build and some of the things u should do with it to make it funner and good for party suport just let me know i will chat with u a bit ingame about it.

Kraldor
09-05-2007, 11:30 AM
Greater Rage with all the rage AP taken gives you a +10 bonus to rage (uses 10 AP though).

thanks bombalo, ill calculate it now:
20 Heroic Durability
10 Draconic Vitality
168 Barb Level 14
80 Toughness Feats
50 Barb Toughness IV
50 Dwarven Toughness IV
182 Con
30 Greater False Life item
14 Toughness Helm (mod 5 item)
----------------------
604 Unbuffed

Double madstone rage makes that 660
Combined with greater rage and enhancements - 730
Rage spell makes 744
Reaver buff (i think its 50hp) puts you at 794

So the max hp you can get is 794 (except for those house d potions, maybe)